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[Torax]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

Torax wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

Torax wrote...

Expect the average companion ranges of say 20-Mid 30's with at times the older gray haired Father/Mother figure in the mix.

A Teenage demi-god as your side kick? Not likely.

Not referring to the demi-god part, why could they not have a teenage companion in the mix?  Why should they so rigidly stick to what has been the trend so far.  There would be nothing inherently wrong with a teenage companion, especially one who was so strong.  More than anything it's a little bit of originality and would open avenues for unique dialogue and personal demons more so than the norm.

I can imagine Varric adopting the Uncle approach over such a one.  Teaching him/her all the wrong things to do - how to cheat and gamble etc.  This is a hypothitical example, but i'm sure you can imagine the kinds of interaction i'm meaning.

You want a 14-15 year old as a companion to battle Mages, templars. Orgres, Darkspawn. Pride Demons. Broodmothers and so on? Why? Would only work from a Demi God that would explain why they aren't mince meat in seconds. One of the two 17-18 year old siblings get basically smashed in 2 seconds with the first real Ogre you fight.

No well of course this "demi god" child is not going to turn out to be your average undeadly teenager.  That has been my point the whole way through and this is what would make it interesting: they would be superior in many ways and would be able to hold their own, whether by magic or strength.  I was only referring to my lack of preference for referring to that child as a "demi-god".  Fitting yes, but I just didn't like the choice of words, too uninspired

The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being. Just don't see that being a Companion ever. Assuming they wanted to implement she wouldn't let him loose or allow him to show himoself until he's full developed. I'd say the clock would have go another 10-15 after the end of DA2 to have him at maybe full strenght. The God died once already as a dragon. Being part Human may not make it stronger. Probably makes it weaker. Morrigan claimed somethings are worth perserving in this world. Maybe it's more sinister. Like wanting what is in him more than the child. Like to join with it in the future. Or she believes said child could truly end Flemeth for good?

All speculation. I just think the OGB just muddies the field more than helping the story.

[Wee Joe Green]

The Angry One wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

We don't know Flemeth's plan. For all we know the OGB is completely incidental.

No we do not.  But, we do know this was her intention for allowing her daughter to leave on the quest with the Warden.  This is stated in game at the end of Origins.

By who, Morrigan?
"Morrigan is a girl who thinks she knows what is what more than me or anyone else."- Flemeth

Well now that is double standards.  You have all demonstrated that you are driven by what has been made "canon" and this, as far as we are led to believe so far, is "canon".

[The Angry One]

It irritates me when people try to argue that the default run has any storyline significance.
If we used the same logic in Mass Effect 2 then we'd conclude that the canon for ME1 is the laziest Renegade run ever.

[Herr Uhl]

Torax wrote...

The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being. 

And part dwarven being.

This is my canon and I will stick to it.

[The Angry One]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

We don't know Flemeth's plan. For all we know the OGB is completely incidental.

No we do not.  But, we do know this was her intention for allowing her daughter to leave on the quest with the Warden.  This is stated in game at the end of Origins.

By who, Morrigan?
"Morrigan is a girl who thinks she knows what is what more than me or anyone else."- Flemeth

Well now that is double standards.  You have all demonstrated that you are driven by what has been made "canon" and this, as far as we are led to believe so far, is "canon".

How is that double-standards? My point is that we can't guess Flemeth's motives based on what Morrigan thinks, because she may be right or wrong about everything.

[Wee Joe Green]

DarthSliver wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Well what about the Recommended Default Warden for DA2 that is presented. Both Wardens survive and indicates to me that the Dark Ritual was indeed done and that is on their canon Warden so to speak for DA2. I dont recall Alistar mentioning Loghain in that playthrough when you talk to him in the Viscount Keep. But it still implies that the Ritual might actually become canon.
But in all my playthroughs I could never recruit Loghain with Alistar not leaving or being exiled or what not and i dont remember DA:O Guide mentioning away for Loghain to be recruited with Alistar still there.

Where did you get this from?

Its in DA2 when you choose a Default Warden, the one with both Wardens surviving is the Recommended option to choose. Its called Hero Of Feralden I believe. Id confirm this with you if i had my guidebook or game with me, but my friend is borrowing both.  Just start a new Hawke and look.

It's true, it does state this as "recommended".

[Torax]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Torax wrote...

The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being. 

And part dwarven being.

This is my canon and I will stick to it.

Or Elf. Lets face it. The thing is a mutt no matter what it is.

[Herr Uhl]

Torax wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Torax wrote...

The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being. 

And part dwarven being.

This is my canon and I will stick to it.

Or Elf. Lets face it. The thing is a mutt no matter what it is.

No, elf is irrelevant, the lore teaches us this. It can't be half-elf, it can however be half-dwarf.

[Torax]

The Angry One wrote...

How is that double-standards? My point is that we can't guess Flemeth's motives based on what Morrigan thinks, because she may be right or wrong about everything.

Am I one of the only players who thought Morrigan could have lied about all the crap with flemeth. She is good at it after all. Prides herself on fooling the weak minded.

[TJPags]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Well what about the Recommended Default Warden for DA2 that is presented. Both Wardens survive and indicates to me that the Dark Ritual was indeed done and that is on their canon Warden so to speak for DA2. I dont recall Alistar mentioning Loghain in that playthrough when you talk to him in the Viscount Keep. But it still implies that the Ritual might actually become canon.
But in all my playthroughs I could never recruit Loghain with Alistar not leaving or being exiled or what not and i dont remember DA:O Guide mentioning away for Loghain to be recruited with Alistar still there.

Where did you get this from?

Its in DA2 when you choose a Default Warden, the one with both Wardens surviving is the Recommended option to choose. Its called Hero Of Feralden I believe. Id confirm this with you if i had my guidebook or game with me, but my friend is borrowing both.  Just start a new Hawke and look.

It's true, it does state this as "recommended".

Recommended by whom?

There are 3 default imports.  In at least one of them, there is no ritual, and thus, no god baby.

None is more "default" then the others.

[The Angry One]

Herr Uhl wrote...

No, elf is irrelevant, the lore teaches us this. It can't be half-elf, it can however be half-dwarf.

I'll believe that when I see it.

[TobiTobsen]

Torax wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Torax wrote...

The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being. 

And part dwarven being.

This is my canon and I will stick to it.

Or Elf. Lets face it. The thing is a mutt no matter what it is.

Sounds like Me'dan from World of Warcraft. OH THE HUMANITY!

The only appearance of the OGB will probably be in a comic/manga that everybody just wants to forget. Mark my words!

[Torax]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Torax wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Torax wrote...

The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being. 

And part dwarven being.

This is my canon and I will stick to it.

Or Elf. Lets face it. The thing is a mutt no matter what it is.

No, elf is irrelevant, the lore teaches us this. It can't be half-elf, it can however be half-dwarf.

H A T E R !

[Wee Joe Green]

FlyingCow371 wrote...

The potential child of Morrigan doesn't have to be a kid/teen...she/they went through that mirror deal, taking them who knows where, which could well be a place where time functions differently. If any of yall watched the TV show "Angel", look at the character Connor - he went through a portal thing as a baby and came back a few weeks later as an adolescent. Weird stuff happens when magic portals are involved.

About the gender - doesn't matter what they said before, once they go through the mirror anything can change. Pregnancy is a very tricky time, stuff can get messed up pretty easily... going through an ancient magic portal could well have side effects on the future baby. Morrigan didn't necessarily read all the instructions and warnings about not using if you may be pregnant.

I think having the PC be this dude with (part of?) an old god's soul would be a fun story, for DA3 or for an expansion/DLC. Kind of reminiscent of Baldur's Gate 1&2.

THANK YOU!! Someone understands my point that anything has the potential to have occured and, without stomping over anyone's game, there could be options not thought of or explored which could give explanations for such a possibility.

I'm also pleased someone else finally has shared that they think this could be a fun narrative.  It doesn't have to be - calm down before you all kill me! - but it is fun to consider.

[TJPags]

Umm, Morrigan says the child is male. This is after it was born. Are you trying to say going into the mirror could change the sex of an existing person??????

[Torax]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Torax wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Torax wrote...

The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being. 

And part dwarven being.

This is my canon and I will stick to it.

Or Elf. Lets face it. The thing is a mutt no matter what it is.

Sounds like Me'dan from World of Warcraft. OH THE HUMANITY!

The only appearance of the OGB will probably be in a comic/manga that everybody just wants to forget. Mark my words!

I have to admitt you had me laughing pretty hard with the Me'dan reference.

My only response. WHALE SHARK > OGB

Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 06:08 .

[RavenB]

I don't think it would make any MORE sense to just pretend like the god baby never happened for players that did make that choice. Honestly, I'd be fine with them making canon whatever their numbers said more people chose, but I think a subjective party member seems like the best idea. They could just have Morrigan's child with different parentage as a party character with variations depending on who the father was. (One option being she became pregnant after leaving the party.) There's no real evidence that the old god soul would necessarily make it overly super powered to where a "human" version couldn't be equivalent. In fact, I doubt they would ever make a character a complete game breaker by default. But it's also possible they'll be in a position of NPC involvement to where you never actually party them and it could still work to my satisfaction, at least.

I don't really want the "god baby" to be a main character, but given what Morrigan said about him in Witch Hunt, it would feel pretty unnatural if they were just dropped. But I also don't think it necessarily needs to be in DA3. It should be whenever the timeline gets to a point where it would be a natural inclusion.

[PsychoBlonde]

Personally, I'm hoping you don't ever get to PLAY as the OGB. I think they've been trying to avoid that whole "chosen one" thing with this series. It's BEEN DONE.

[MCPOWill]

Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.

[Wee Joe Green]

Torax wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

Torax wrote...

If the Ritual still required her to sleep with a fresher gray warden. Then who would have slept with her? Alistair? He'd have told her F%*$ YOU! If he was Hardened he would yell it even louder. Loghain would probably slap her and shove her out the door. If she persisted he'd probably stab her. Why it doesn't make sense to force it on others. Where would she get it unless the player allows?

Also as I stated it's not some big thing to mull over the entire game. You are told just before it that someone has to die. You or Alistair/Loghain depending on the choices you made at the Landsmeet. So then you weigh you or the companion. Go to room and Morrigan is like "This doesn't have to be so." She doesn't care if you romanced at all. She just wants to have sex for the baby. It's a silly ploy to allow the player to not die really. But not enough to make a OGB Cannon for all that made the sacrifice or had Alistair or Loghain go down in History as the ones to end the Blight.

Well, I would say as one who fully devoted themselves to romancing her that she did in fact care about the romance, but as an unintended consequence.  The baby was her primary concern but she had grown to truly love my Warden.

Also keep in mind that some of the things Morrigan told us could very well have been lies. Including things like Flemeth taking over her body. To get you to kill her so Morrigan could enact said plans on her own. She says to fear Flemeth and not her. At times I wonder if that is true. Flemeth honors deals and bargains. Morrigan not so much.

Morrigan's my lady, watch yourself.

[The Angry One]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

Morrigan's my lady, watch yourself.

That's the only kind of lady she could ever claim to be.
:3

[TJPags]

MCPOWill wrote...

Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.

Yes.  But that child is not a god baby.

And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant.  This is not a bug.

[Addai]

I bet he'll be hot.  OGB for LI! 

[Torax]

MCPOWill wrote...

Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.

I'm sure she feels really bad about that...