The Angry One wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
Morrigan's my lady, watch yourself.
That's the only kind of lady she could ever claim to be.
:3
Torax wrote...
The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being. Just don't see that being a Companion ever. Assuming they wanted to implement she wouldn't let him loose or allow him to show himoself until he's full developed. I'd say the clock would have go another 10-15 after the end of DA2 to have him at maybe full strenght. The God died once already as a dragon. Being part Human may not make it stronger. Probably makes it weaker. Morrigan claimed somethings are worth perserving in this world. Maybe it's more sinister. Like wanting what is in him more than the child. Like to join with it in the future. Or she believes said child could truly end Flemeth for good?
All speculation. I just think the OGB just muddies the field more than helping the story.
Wee Joe Green wrote...
Torax wrote...
The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being. Just don't see that being a Companion ever. Assuming they wanted to implement she wouldn't let him loose or allow him to show himoself until he's full developed. I'd say the clock would have go another 10-15 after the end of DA2 to have him at maybe full strenght. The God died once already as a dragon. Being part Human may not make it stronger. Probably makes it weaker. Morrigan claimed somethings are worth perserving in this world. Maybe it's more sinister. Like wanting what is in him more than the child. Like to join with it in the future. Or she believes said child could truly end Flemeth for good?
All speculation. I just think the OGB just muddies the field more than helping the story.
Ah but as we already know from DA2, the writers enjoy a good old fashioned "rise to power" story. This would be a perfect example of a rise to power conquest, yet on a grander scale than rags to riches, in that it would be the beginning of stregth to a fully fleshed "demi-god" by the end of the period. It would also allow for a greater timescale to be employed similar to DA2, over say a 10 year period and this would satisfy the requirements you stated. By the end, the child would be an adult and at the height of their strength.
There would also be ample room to have involvement then from several of the pre-existing characters; I doubt they would be able to adapt the Warden as a companion this time but it's certainly an interesting twist, and of course Morrigan.
OH, as I say, it has potential
Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 06:19 .
Wee Joe Green wrote...
P.S I'd love if Bioware took some notice of this thread.
Torax wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
How is that double-standards? My point is that we can't guess Flemeth's motives based on what Morrigan thinks, because she may be right or wrong about everything.
Am I one of the only players who thought Morrigan could have lied about all the crap with flemeth. She is good at it after all. Prides herself on fooling the weak minded.
Herr Uhl wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
P.S I'd love if Bioware took some notice of this thread.
Yes, because there has never been a thread about using OGB as a PC before.
Never.
Torax wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
Torax wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
Torax wrote...
The child is a demi-god. Part old God part Human being.
And part dwarven being.
This is my canon and I will stick to it.
Or Elf. Lets face it. The thing is a mutt no matter what it is.
No, elf is irrelevant, the lore teaches us this. It can't be half-elf, it can however be half-dwarf.
H A T E R !
Wee Joe Green wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
P.S I'd love if Bioware took some notice of this thread.
Yes, because there has never been a thread about using OGB as a PC before.
Never.
Not as good as this there's not
PsychoBlonde wrote...
Personally, I'm hoping you don't ever get to PLAY as the OGB. I think they've been trying to avoid that whole "chosen one" thing with this series. It's BEEN DONE.
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Wee Joe Green wrote...
PsychoBlonde wrote...
Personally, I'm hoping you don't ever get to PLAY as the OGB. I think they've been trying to avoid that whole "chosen one" thing with this series. It's BEEN DONE.
The point is this time it has manifested from our own decisions and involvement, it didn't just start off this way. In this sense it is very original.
[I CANT REPLY FAST ENOUGH TO ALL THESE POSTS, DOH.
Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 06:37 .
RavenB wrote...
I don't think it would make any MORE sense to just pretend like the god baby never happened for players that did make that choice. Honestly, I'd be fine with them making canon whatever their numbers said more people chose, but I think a subjective party member seems like the best idea. They could just have Morrigan's child with different parentage as a party character with variations depending on who the father was. (One option being she became pregnant after leaving the party.) There's no real evidence that the old god soul would necessarily make it overly super powered to where a "human" version couldn't be equivalent. In fact, I doubt they would ever make a character a complete game breaker by default. But it's also possible they'll be in a position of NPC involvement to where you never actually party them and it could still work to my satisfaction, at least.
I don't really want the "god baby" to be a main character, but given what Morrigan said about him in Witch Hunt, it would feel pretty unnatural if they were just dropped. But I also don't think it necessarily needs to be in DA3. It should be whenever the timeline gets to a point where it would be a natural inclusion.
TJPags wrote...
MCPOWill wrote...
Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.
Yes. But that child is not a god baby.
And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant. This is not a bug.
TobiTobsen wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
Morrigan's my lady, watch yourself.
That's the only kind of lady she could ever claim to be.
:3
Oh, I'm pretty sure she would make a fine "lady" in the red dress Leliana is talking about in the party banter. Am I the only one who is still lusting about that? Or maybe it's just the picture in my head.
*wipes the drool away*
Torax wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
PsychoBlonde wrote...
Personally, I'm hoping you don't ever get to PLAY as the OGB. I think they've been trying to avoid that whole "chosen one" thing with this series. It's BEEN DONE.
The point is this time it has manifested from our own decisions and involvement, it didn't just start off this way. In this sense it is very original.
[I CANT REPLY FAST ENOUGH TO ALL THESE POSTS, DOH.
Point is your decision but not all player's decisions. Why I think they wouldn't bother. They have MANY other gods not tapped yet. 2 of the Old Tevinter Gods are still under ground. They also have possible the Pantheon or Forgotten Ones that he Elves of Arlathan knew of. The Maker and or the Trikster. There is enough Gods to not care about an optional baby possiblity from Origins. At least for a main story arch anytime soon.
Modifié par SirLogical, 10 avril 2011 - 06:42 .
SirLogical wrote...
Torax wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
PsychoBlonde wrote...
Personally, I'm hoping you don't ever get to PLAY as the OGB. I think they've been trying to avoid that whole "chosen one" thing with this series. It's BEEN DONE.
The point is this time it has manifested from our own decisions and involvement, it didn't just start off this way. In this sense it is very original.
[I CANT REPLY FAST ENOUGH TO ALL THESE POSTS, DOH.
Point is your decision but not all player's decisions. Why I think they wouldn't bother. They have MANY other gods not tapped yet. 2 of the Old Tevinter Gods are still under ground. They also have possible the Pantheon or Forgotten Ones that he Elves of Arlathan knew of. The Maker and or the Trikster. There is enough Gods to not care about an optional baby possiblity from Origins. At least for a main story arch anytime soon.
I point you to my above post. None of them really compare to an Old God who is actually free to do as he wishes in the world, potentially aside from Fen'Harel. The rest of the elvel gods are locked away from influencing Thedas, as are the Forgotten ones. The Maker clearly ins't too fussed about what's going on in Thedas, or else why allow the Blights? As such, having Urthemiel free in the world is one massive reaso why they would bother.
Wee Joe Green wrote...
TJPags wrote...
MCPOWill wrote...
Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.
Yes. But that child is not a god baby.
And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant. This is not a bug.
Firstly, lol. I appreciate this kind of humour.
Secondly, as stated before, what's to say that pregnancy didn't result in the Archdemon entering the soul of that baby? Let the writers decide.
Torax wrote...
SirLogical wrote...
Torax wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
PsychoBlonde wrote...
Personally, I'm hoping you don't ever get to PLAY as the OGB. I think they've been trying to avoid that whole "chosen one" thing with this series. It's BEEN DONE.
The point is this time it has manifested from our own decisions and involvement, it didn't just start off this way. In this sense it is very original.
[I CANT REPLY FAST ENOUGH TO ALL THESE POSTS, DOH.
Point is your decision but not all player's decisions. Why I think they wouldn't bother. They have MANY other gods not tapped yet. 2 of the Old Tevinter Gods are still under ground. They also have possible the Pantheon or Forgotten Ones that he Elves of Arlathan knew of. The Maker and or the Trikster. There is enough Gods to not care about an optional baby possiblity from Origins. At least for a main story arch anytime soon.
I point you to my above post. None of them really compare to an Old God who is actually free to do as he wishes in the world, potentially aside from Fen'Harel. The rest of the elvel gods are locked away from influencing Thedas, as are the Forgotten ones. The Maker clearly ins't too fussed about what's going on in Thedas, or else why allow the Blights? As such, having Urthemiel free in the world is one massive reaso why they would bother.
There are 2 more still underground and the Grey Wardens know exactly where they are...
SirLogical wrote...
Ok, so even though I can appreciate that the dark ritual represented only 25% of endings for Origins, I would just like to point out the importance of having a child with the soul of an old god. I mean, we are talking about the most powerful beings in existence, so powerful they turned humanity away from the maker (according to the Andrastian Chantry at least). All of the uncorrupted Old Gods are still slumbering in their prisons; having one loose in the world will make the mage/templar conflict seem like a job board quest by comparison.
We don't really know to what extent the being will have the personality of Urthemiel. The personality of the child may come through, but does it really stand a chance against an Old God? This could lead to some interesting moral issues regarding duality, which is quite an important theme in Dragon Age; you have the duality of the Elven Gods with the Forgotten Ones, the duality of the all-sacrificing Andraste with the jealous Maferath, the duality of ultimate oppression in the templars compared with the freedom to command kingdoms as a Grey Warden. The Old God Baby could represent the culmination of this duality; a normal (well, ish, considering it will be raised by Morrigan) child, compared to an ancient entity, which won't be best pleased about the way the Maker put it to sleep. Perhaps we'll get an Anders-Vengeance thing going on?
In short, even if a mere 25% of us chose the Dark Ritual; and to be honest I suspect far more did so, since this allows your Warden to go down in history as one of the few who slew an archdemon, as well as being the only being in existence to survive doing so. (Hawke is the most important character in Thedas my left bum cheek) As such, it makes sense for Bioware to do more than a series of side quests regarding the OGB; at least I'd expect a companion, or perhaps an Awakening sized expansion. And to assuage those who didn't perform the Dark Ritual, said expansion, could quite easily include an alternative beginning, where Morrigan found an alteranitve way to perform the ritual. No one knows what secrets were kept in Flemeth's Grimoire; for all we know, Morrigna sleeping with the Warden was merely the easiest way for her to acquire the soul of Urthemiel. It is quite possible, perhaps with the advanced blood magic she shows in fixing the Eluvian, that she took the soul of the Archdemon without your knowledge. Indeed, the essence to power such a spell could come from that which would have been saved by your Grey Warden living; instead, your incredibly powerful tainted blood is used to power the spell.
Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 06:50 .
TJPags wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
TJPags wrote...
MCPOWill wrote...
Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.
Yes. But that child is not a god baby.
And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant. This is not a bug.
Firstly, lol. I appreciate this kind of humour.
Secondly, as stated before, what's to say that pregnancy didn't result in the Archdemon entering the soul of that baby? Let the writers decide.
Because if the AD enters the soul of the baby, the warden killing him wouldn't die. So if the warden dies, there was no baby for it to enter.
And what about the games where Morrigan never got pregnant in the first place? Did you miss that part?
Torax wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
Wee Joe Green wrote...
P.S I'd love if Bioware took some notice of this thread.
Yes, because there has never been a thread about using OGB as a PC before.
Never.
Not as good as this there's not
Just keep telling yourself that Sunshine.
Do I detect a "Rivalry" here to this friendship?
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