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Morrigan Approves +10

Modifié par SirLogical, 10 avril 2011 - 06:55 .

[Wee Joe Green]

SirLogical wrote...

Torax wrote...

Point is your decision but not all player's decisions. Why I think they wouldn't bother. They have MANY other gods not tapped yet. 2 of the Old Tevinter Gods are still under ground. They also have possible the Pantheon or Forgotten Ones that he Elves of Arlathan knew of. The Maker and or the Trikster. There is enough Gods to not care about an optional baby possiblity from Origins. At least for a main story arch anytime soon.

I point you to my above post. None of them really compare to an Old God who is actually free to do as he wishes in the world, potentially aside from Fen'Harel. The rest of the elven gods are locked away from influencing Thedas, as are the Forgotten ones. The Maker clearly ins't too fussed about what's going on in Thedas, or else why allow the Blights? As such, having Urthemiel free in the world is one massive reason why they would bother.

Edit: Typos

I agree with this view.  There's massive potential for a semi-god (however you wish to refer to them) to have a major influence on Thedas more so than the slumbering God's waiting for the next Blight.

It could be that this child's involvement will eradicate the necessity for them to rise again.  In this way it won't just be taking on the God's through another Blight.  People would then say, been there done that.  This could be the end of all Blights.  A true step forward.

I fail to see why this is not good storytelling and unoriginal if done right.

[Wee Joe Green]

SirLogical wrote...

Above post:Wee Joe Green +25 rivalry with Torax







Morrigan Approves +10

Hahahaha. Excellent.

[Fallstar]

Torax wrote...

I think we'd more likely see things like the Old Gods themselves or the Pantheon than the Baby. Only cause you want an Optional solution. They'd be better off avoiding that and going for the others that exist. Would be a far more compelling story for everyone but the hero to have the Trickter reveal himself or Pantheon to be released and do some hectic mess as opposed to a kid from morrigan that was optional and would anger many more than probably were mad at Leliana being back.

The OGB argument started with people just playing origins early. It's not a new thing.

I know its not a 'new thing'. I (in retrospect rather foolishly) was one of those who advocated the OBG being the protaganist of DA:2, back after Origins just released and everyone was buzzing about the Dark Ritual. But its an interesting topic, and it has clear relevance to the future of the Dragon Age franchise. Hence the recurring topics.

To the rest of your post: people were mad about Leliana because she had her head removed, but comes back apparently unharmed; what is more, the ashes were defiled before she was slain, meaning they cannot be used as a retconn for this. And sure, having the trickster reveal him/her self would be almost as cool as the OGB. Its just that for those of us who did go down the OGB route, we want some closure.

[TJPags]

SirLogical wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

MCPOWill wrote...

Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.

Yes.  But that child is not a god baby.

And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant.  This is not a bug.

Firstly, lol.  I appreciate this kind of humour.

Secondly, as stated before, what's to say that pregnancy didn't result in the Archdemon entering the soul of that baby?  Let the writers decide.

Because if the AD enters the soul of the baby, the warden killing him wouldn't die.  So if the warden dies, there was no baby for it to enter.

And what about the games where Morrigan never got pregnant in the first place?  Did you miss that part?

Again, we have absolutely zero evidence that the Dark Ritual is nothing but the easiest way to acquire the soul of the OGB, and to save the life of someone she has come to care about in the process. Since she is capable of fixing an eluvian - which requires significant competence in blood magic - it makes sense that there are other ways in which she could acquire the soul of the OGB. Particularly as she ahs access to Flemeth's Grimoire, which undoubtedly contains very powerful secrets, which could be utilised to transfer the soul of the OGB to a piece of jewellery for example. We have evidence of this kind of 'soul storage' from DA:2 with Flemeth, so it is perfectly feasible.

Wait, what?

Let's examine this for a moment, shall we?

First, to have an Old God Baby, Morrigan must have been pregnant.  If you don't do the DR, or don't romance her as a male PC, she doesn't get pregnant.  So, she may never have been pregnant in the first place.

Second, even assuming she is pregnant, you need the soul of an Old God.  To get this, you have the souless fetus in close proximity to the AD when it dies, so that the soul goes into the baby.  Because if not, it will go into the Warden, and the Warden will die.  So, if the Warden killed the AD, and then died, that's where the soul went - not into the baby.  In other words, you can have a pregnant Morrigan that does NOT end up with the soul of the Old God.

Now, while all your talk of catching souls in amulets is fine and dandy, if there's no soul to catch.  So the catch a soul in an amulet trick doesnt do any good.

Face it - there are more options that lead to NO Old God Baby then lead to such a child.  To put such a creation into the game would make little to no sense for anyone who's options preclude the scenario in which an Old God Baby exists.

[Torax]

SirLogical wrote...

Torax wrote...

I think we'd more likely see things like the Old Gods themselves or the Pantheon than the Baby. Only cause you want an Optional solution. They'd be better off avoiding that and going for the others that exist. Would be a far more compelling story for everyone but the hero to have the Trickter reveal himself or Pantheon to be released and do some hectic mess as opposed to a kid from morrigan that was optional and would anger many more than probably were mad at Leliana being back.

The OGB argument started with people just playing origins early. It's not a new thing.

I know its not a 'new thing'. I (in retrospect rather foolishly) was one of those who advocated the OBG being the protaganist of DA:2, back after Origins just released and everyone was buzzing about the Dark Ritual. But its an interesting topic, and it has clear relevance to the future of the Dragon Age franchise. Hence the recurring topics.

To the rest of your post: people were mad about Leliana because she had her head removed, but comes back apparently unharmed; what is more, the ashes were defiled before she was slain, meaning they cannot be used as a retconn for this. And sure, having the trickster reveal him/her self would be almost as cool as the OGB. Its just that for those of us who did go down the OGB route, we want some closure.

I almost think Witch Hunt was the closure for a while anyway. May have to wait a long while. For example how to you fit the Heros ever into a talking game format. Makes me mourn any possible outcome a hero could have landed. Like my human noble that went through the Portal. I get the feeling he'll be never seen again. To hard to voice the old characters let alone match their old face to the new ones on just a character transfer. Know what I mean?

[Wee Joe Green]

TJPags wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

MCPOWill wrote...

Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.

Yes.  But that child is not a god baby.

And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant.  This is not a bug.

Firstly, lol.  I appreciate this kind of humour.

Secondly, as stated before, what's to say that pregnancy didn't result in the Archdemon entering the soul of that baby?  Let the writers decide.

Because if the AD enters the soul of the baby, the warden killing him wouldn't die.  So if the warden dies, there was no baby for it to enter.

And what about the games where Morrigan never got pregnant in the first place?  Did you miss that part?

No, clearly I didn't miss that part.  I was saying that this was a possibillity for those circumstances where she did get pregnant but not by the ritual.

And who's to say the Warden or another dieing could necessitate that the Archdemon's soul couldn't be transferred to the baby.  This is what I was saying, it's all unchartered territory and anything could be possible.  There was the opportunity for you not to die provided you went along with Morrigan's plan, but this does not mean when someone does that the soul cannot still transfer to another.

May I also point you to Awakening, which predominantly existed to follow the path of the Warden after the events of Origins.  In those circumstances where the Warden was killed - or by preference - they gave us the option to elect a new Warden for the story.

My point: there are always ways around problems, you just have to think creatively enough.

[Torax]

Should also point out that Leliana's return though heated has one far stronger loop hole then the OGB with Morrigan not even being pregnant scenarios.

No one wanted to believe but Leliana said the Maker spoke to her. Think about it. Bard. Fighter and was feeling the maker. Much stronger loop hole to wrap in a short story than just "Well umm lets just slap the face of all the wardens that did Ultimate Sacrifice."

[Fallstar]

TJPags wrote...

SirLogical wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

MCPOWill wrote...

Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.

Yes.  But that child is not a god baby.

And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant.  This is not a bug.

Firstly, lol.  I appreciate this kind of humour.

Secondly, as stated before, what's to say that pregnancy didn't result in the Archdemon entering the soul of that baby?  Let the writers decide.

Because if the AD enters the soul of the baby, the warden killing him wouldn't die.  So if the warden dies, there was no baby for it to enter.

And what about the games where Morrigan never got pregnant in the first place?  Did you miss that part?

Again, we have absolutely zero evidence that the Dark Ritual is nothing but the easiest way to acquire the soul of the OGB, and to save the life of someone she has come to care about in the process. Since she is capable of fixing an eluvian - which requires significant competence in blood magic - it makes sense that there are other ways in which she could acquire the soul of the OGB. Particularly as she ahs access to Flemeth's Grimoire, which undoubtedly contains very powerful secrets, which could be utilised to transfer the soul of the OGB to a piece of jewellery for example. We have evidence of this kind of 'soul storage' from DA:2 with Flemeth, so it is perfectly feasible.

Wait, what?

Let's examine this for a moment, shall we?

First, to have an Old God Baby, Morrigan must have been pregnant.  If you don't do the DR, or don't romance her as a male PC, she doesn't get pregnant.  So, she may never have been pregnant in the first place.

Second, even assuming she is pregnant, you need the soul of an Old God.  To get this, you have the souless fetus in close proximity to the AD when it dies, so that the soul goes into the baby.  Because if not, it will go into the Warden, and the Warden will die.  So, if the Warden killed the AD, and then died, that's where the soul went - not into the baby.  In other words, you can have a pregnant Morrigan that does NOT end up with the soul of the Old God.

Now, while all your talk of catching souls in amulets is fine and dandy, if there's no soul to catch.  So the catch a soul in an amulet trick doesnt do any good.

Face it - there are more options that lead to NO Old God Baby then lead to such a child.  To put such a creation into the game would make little to no sense for anyone who's options preclude the scenario in which an Old God Baby exists.

1. There is a soul to catch. In-game lore clearly states that the soul of Urthemiel is capable of leaving the body of the Archdemon. With the aid of the spell, said soul could be transplanted into an amulet or ring. Think the elven soul that is trapped in the gem that teaches the Arcane Warrior Specialisation. It is perfectly possible that the soul of the Archdemon could be trapped inside the piece of jewellery.

2. The death of your Warden can also be easily explained as well. There is no factor at all that would prevent Urthemiel's soul entering the Warden's body, killing the Warden, but having the spell used to 'catch' Urthemiel's soul pull the soul out from the Warden's body at the last minute. In fact, this makes more sense, as if the soul entered the Warden's body, it would be easier to obtain, I assume, than if it was free to roam around, as it were.

3. Morrigan then takes her captured soul, and perhaps visits Orlais for some reason. Which is consistent with the epilogue slides I believe. Whilst there, she seduces an Orlesian Grey Warden, sleeps with him and becomes pregnant. After the pregnancy, she leaves the child in Orlais somewhere. This is consistent with Bodahn and Sandal heading to Orlais, as has been speculated on the forums, the game appears to be set wherever those two wander off to. Moreso, this is consistent with Sandal's prophecy that 'he will return', with he being the OGB whom we know to be male. Furthermore, the rest of Sandal's prohpecy, that he will bring the magic back, all of it, is consistent with Urthemiel walking the world again, and the prescence of the Old God, a being of extraordinarily powerful magic, brings magic back into the world.


In short, this is fully consistent with current speculation. Which I admit doesn't say much, but its all we've got to go on.

[Wee Joe Green]

Torax wrote...

I think we'd more likely see things like the Old Gods themselves or the Pantheon than the Baby. Only cause you want an Optional solution. They'd be better off avoiding that and going for the others that exist. Would be a far more compelling story for everyone but the hero to have the Trickter reveal himself or Pantheon to be released and do some hectic mess as opposed to a kid from morrigan that was optional and would anger many more than probably were mad at Leliana being back.

The OGB argument started with people just playing origins early. It's not a new thing.

No I know that this is not new, in the sense that people erroneously presumed that Hawke would be the child etc.  I've been following the forums and I've not come across one which rekindled this concept for the future iterations of DA.

Oh and we all know Flemeth is the Trickster.  She too is a dragon, she commands spells unknown and above that of any other mage alive, Morrigan states (even in that video you pointed out), that she has plans above mere mortals and in herself is not entirely human.  She has lived many generations and assumed many forms.  This Flemeth is just the latest and most convenient iteration.

Haha I fear all that has been said would make this outcome too obvious however and the writers would not elect to have this as her identity.

[Torax]

SirLogical you are basically asking the Writers to Jump the Shark with that whole amulet soul jumping just to give some fan boys the baby they want cause they can't let go of their Hero from Origins. Just sayin.

[TJPags]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

MCPOWill wrote...

Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.

Yes.  But that child is not a god baby.

And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant.  This is not a bug.

Firstly, lol.  I appreciate this kind of humour.

Secondly, as stated before, what's to say that pregnancy didn't result in the Archdemon entering the soul of that baby?  Let the writers decide.

Because if the AD enters the soul of the baby, the warden killing him wouldn't die.  So if the warden dies, there was no baby for it to enter.

And what about the games where Morrigan never got pregnant in the first place?  Did you miss that part?

No, clearly I didn't miss that part.  I was saying that this was a possibillity for those circumstances where she did get pregnant but not by the ritual.

And who's to say the Warden or another dieing could necessitate that the Archdemon's soul couldn't be transferred to the baby.  This is what I was saying, it's all unchartered territory and anything could be possible.  There was the opportunity for you not to die provided you went along with Morrigan's plan, but this does not mean when someone does that the soul cannot still transfer to another.

May I also point you to Awakening, which predominantly existed to follow the path of the Warden after the events of Origins.  In those circumstances where the Warden was killed - or by preference - they gave us the option to elect a new Warden for the story.

My point: there are always ways around problems, you just have to think creatively enough.

Well, but here's the thing.  You're basically saying they should make content for something that was completely optional - that many people may not have.  This is different than, say, Zevran showing up for 5 minutes in DA2 if you let him live, or Loghain having a brief cameo in DAA if you let him live.   You're asking for a full on storyline, more extensive than the Nathaniel quest (which is also optional), which some people will never get.  That's a lot of work you're asking for.

I don't think they should be putting their resources into that.

Now, do I get that people who went this route want some closure?  Of course I do.  I fully understand that WH provided no real closure to this storyline.  But it was an optional story - to do otherwise, well, have you seen the uproar about Leliana being retconned (and please, let's not argue if its an actual retcon or not - its been done to death - I'm using the term here as shorthand) alive?  Can you imagine the outrage that would occur if they decided that, whether you were male or female, romanced her or not, did the DR or not, the OGB exists?

Maybe it was a poor decision to allow that option on Bioware's part.  Maybe people have simply latched onto the child when they never meant that to be the focus, which would make it the fault of the players.  Maybe it was an idea they simply decided not to follow.  I'm not sure which it is, but given that its optional, and given that dev comments have indicated that they currently have no intention of making it canon, I think hoping for it is wishful thinking.

[Wee Joe Green]

TJPags wrote...

Wait, what?

Let's examine this for a moment, shall we?

First, to have an Old God Baby, Morrigan must have been pregnant.  If you don't do the DR, or don't romance her as a male PC, she doesn't get pregnant.  So, she may never have been pregnant in the first place.

Second, even assuming she is pregnant, you need the soul of an Old God.  To get this, you have the souless fetus in close proximity to the AD when it dies, so that the soul goes into the baby.  Because if not, it will go into the Warden, and the Warden will die.  So, if the Warden killed the AD, and then died, that's where the soul went - not into the baby.  In other words, you can have a pregnant Morrigan that does NOT end up with the soul of the Old God.

Now, while all your talk of catching souls in amulets is fine and dandy, if there's no soul to catch.  So the catch a soul in an amulet trick doesnt do any good.

Face it - there are more options that lead to NO Old God Baby then lead to such a child.  To put such a creation into the game would make little to no sense for anyone who's options preclude the scenario in which an Old God Baby exists.

See above...

What's to say the soul didn't then transfer (immediately or not) from the dead Warden to the baby?  How can you deduce that she was not able to accomplish this once the soul had been transferred initially, after killing the Warden in the process.

Anything's possible.

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 07:25 .

[Fallstar]

Torax wrote...

SirLogical you are basically asking the Writers to Jump the Shark with that whole amulet soul jumping just to give some fan boys the baby they want cause they can't let go of their Hero from Origins. Just sayin.

Firstly thanks for stopping the quote train
Secondly, yes I don't want to let go of the Warden; as I'm sure you can tell from my sig.
Thirdly, I am not really a fanboy; whilst DA:2 does not deserve the mostly unwarranted criticism it has received, it did not compare to Origins.
Finally, and most importantly, what the hell does 'jump the shark' mean? Do you mean 'jump the gun'?

[Wee Joe Green]

Torax wrote...

SirLogical you are basically asking the Writers to Jump the Shark with that whole amulet soul jumping just to give some fan boys the baby they want cause they can't let go of their Hero from Origins. Just sayin.

What makes us fan boys for wanting some closure to our story and you not for demanding it doesn't happen?

[TJPags]

SirLogical wrote...

1. There is a soul to catch. In-game lore clearly states that the soul of Urthemiel is capable of leaving the body of the Archdemon. With the aid of the spell, said soul could be transplanted into an amulet or ring. Think the elven soul that is trapped in the gem that teaches the Arcane Warrior Specialisation. It is perfectly possible that the soul of the Archdemon could be trapped inside the piece of jewellery.

2. The death of your Warden can also be easily explained as well. There is no factor at all that would prevent Urthemiel's soul entering the Warden's body, killing the Warden, but having the spell used to 'catch' Urthemiel's soul pull the soul out from the Warden's body at the last minute. In fact, this makes more sense, as if the soul entered the Warden's body, it would be easier to obtain, I assume, than if it was free to roam around, as it were.

3. Morrigan then takes her captured soul, and perhaps visits Orlais for some reason. Which is consistent with the epilogue slides I believe. Whilst there, she seduces an Orlesian Grey Warden, sleeps with him and becomes pregnant. After the pregnancy, she leaves the child in Orlais somewhere. This is consistent with Bodahn and Sandal heading to Orlais, as has been speculated on the forums, the game appears to be set wherever those two wander off to. Moreso, this is consistent with Sandal's prophecy that 'he will return', with he being the OGB whom we know to be male. Furthermore, the rest of Sandal's prohpecy, that he will bring the magic back, all of it, is consistent with Urthemiel walking the world again, and the prescence of the Old God, a being of extraordinarily powerful magic, brings magic back into the world.


In short, this is fully consistent with current speculation. Which I admit doesn't say much, but its all we've got to go on.

1.  The soul is destroyed when entering the GW, which already has a soul.  That's why they need to have a GW kill the AD - so that the soul, which is drawn to the nearest DS, goes into the GW instead, and is destroyed.  So there's nothing to catch once it does that.

2.  See #1.  The soul is destroyed.  Thats what Origins tells us, both Morrigan and Riordan.

3.  She has no captured soul.  See #1.  She also makes no mention of a baby if you play WH and didn't either romance her or do the DR.

In short, doing this in any game where the DR did not take place would be so out of place as to be ridiculous.  Certainly meets my definition of a massive retcon.

[Fallstar]

To TJPags:

For sure we're asking for more than a 5 minute cameo, but that's because though an amazing character, the extent of Zevran's effect on the world is eliminating the crows; whereas the OGB has a huge potential to have a massive impact on the story.

To be honest, it would be nice to get some form of dev comment saying 'yes, at some point on the DA franchise, we plan on revisiting the Morrigan storyline' or 'no, the Morrigan storyline ins't a priority'. Still nice and ambiguous, just let us know whether or not to give up on Morrigan or not.

[Wee Joe Green]

Torax wrote...

I almost think Witch Hunt was the closure for a while anyway. May have to wait a long while. For example how to you fit the Heros ever into a talking game format. Makes me mourn any possible outcome a hero could have landed. Like my human noble that went through the Portal. I get the feeling he'll be never seen again. To hard to voice the old characters let alone match their old face to the new ones on just a character transfer. Know what I mean?

I do know what you mean and it's for that reason I don't think many have been under the pretense that we'll see our Warden again.  It seems most likely we'll only ever hear of him in passing.  They did manage the change in Mass Effect 2, bringing over the way he looked obviously isn't a problem - except for the change in graphical style, some old companions looked odd (Alistair).  The voice issue is the main barrier unless he somehow became mute between games, lol.

[MCPOWill]

TJPags wrote...

MCPOWill wrote...

Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.

Yes.  But that child is not a god baby.

And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant.  This is not a bug.

Haha, I know that. I am just stating that there is a possibility for the child to exist in every canon, maybe not always just as the OGB. I could Morrigan fell in love with someone else and had a child when she left the Warden. This is if the Warden didn't have romance or have the child with her of course. 

[Torax]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wait, what?

Let's examine this for a moment, shall we?

First, to have an Old God Baby, Morrigan must have been pregnant.  If you don't do the DR, or don't romance her as a male PC, she doesn't get pregnant.  So, she may never have been pregnant in the first place.

Second, even assuming she is pregnant, you need the soul of an Old God.  To get this, you have the souless fetus in close proximity to the AD when it dies, so that the soul goes into the baby.  Because if not, it will go into the Warden, and the Warden will die.  So, if the Warden killed the AD, and then died, that's where the soul went - not into the baby.  In other words, you can have a pregnant Morrigan that does NOT end up with the soul of the Old God.

Now, while all your talk of catching souls in amulets is fine and dandy, if there's no soul to catch.  So the catch a soul in an amulet trick doesnt do any good.

Face it - there are more options that lead to NO Old God Baby then lead to such a child.  To put such a creation into the game would make little to no sense for anyone who's options preclude the scenario in which an Old God Baby exists.

See above...

What's to say the soul didn't then transfer (immediately or not) from the dead Warden to the baby?  How can you deduce that she was not able to accomplish this once the soul had been transferred initially, after killing the Warden in the process.

Anything's possible.

There is no way for it to transfer. It's wish full thinking and hoping with no evidence to support. A powerful Arcane Warrior put his own essence into a gem. This is not some trick of a amulet that Morrigan never gave the player that would it would transfer to.

The taint in the body of the Warden makes the soul leap to like a becon. Because the Grey Warden is a living body and not a Darkspawn. they consume each other. Like a positive and negative poles colliding and destorying each other simultaniously. This is how it has happened every time. This is not a new thing. It also doesn't require some made up wish of a necklace that takes the soul. No item existed in origins. I didn't see one and it sure as hell wasn't given to my warden or Loghain when I've had him do it.

Trying to get the Writer's to Jump the Shark just to give you your wish doesn't make it good writing. It makes it the opposite.

Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 07:33 .

[TJPags]

SirLogical wrote...

To TJPags:

For sure we're asking for more than a 5 minute cameo, but that's because though an amazing character, the extent of Zevran's effect on the world is eliminating the crows; whereas the OGB has a huge potential to have a massive impact on the story.

To be honest, it would be nice to get some form of dev comment saying 'yes, at some point on the DA franchise, we plan on revisiting the Morrigan storyline' or 'no, the Morrigan storyline ins't a priority'. Still nice and ambiguous, just let us know whether or not to give up on Morrigan or not.

The Morrigan storyline /= the OGB storyline.

[TJPags]

MCPOWill wrote...

TJPags wrote...

MCPOWill wrote...

Fun fact: If your warden had a romance with Morrigan and had fun times with her, but didn't do the ritual and made the ultimate sacrifice, the epilogues still states that she was with child and this is not a slide bug.

Yes.  But that child is not a god baby.

And fun fact - if you played male, but never slept with her, or played female and didn't have Alistair or Loghain do the ritual, then she never got pregnant.  This is not a bug.

Haha, I know that. I am just stating that there is a possibility for the child to exist in every canon, maybe not always just as the OGB. I could Morrigan fell in love with someone else and had a child when she left the Warden. This is if the Warden didn't have romance or have the child with her of course. 

Sure, but what's the importance of this child she has with some random guy then?

[RavenB]

It may also be worth considering that other Old Gods still exist and Morrigan (and/or Flemeth) have had ten years to root one up if they were really set on finding one for whatever it is that they're planning. It's not impossible that they could acquire a different soul through other methods, if unlikely.

[Fallstar]

TJPags wrote...

SirLogical wrote...

To TJPags:

For sure we're asking for more than a 5 minute cameo, but that's because though an amazing character, the extent of Zevran's effect on the world is eliminating the crows; whereas the OGB has a huge potential to have a massive impact on the story.

To be honest, it would be nice to get some form of dev comment saying 'yes, at some point on the DA franchise, we plan on revisiting the Morrigan storyline' or 'no, the Morrigan storyline ins't a priority'. Still nice and ambiguous, just let us know whether or not to give up on Morrigan or not.

The Morrigan storyline =/= the OGB storyline.

No, but since those most interested in Morrigan will have performed the Dark Ritual, the kind of audience that future Morrigan content will be aimed at will see the OGB and Morrigan as intrinsically linked. If an expansion/DA:X is about Morrigan, but doesn't mention the OGB, I think the fallout would be worse than DA:2

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It may also be worth considering that other Old Gods still exist and Morrigan (and/or Flemeth) have had ten years to root one up if they were really set on finding one for whatever it is that they're planning. It's not impossible that they could acquire a different soul through other methods, if unlikely.

Just want to highlight the fact that there are numerous methods by which a soul could be obtained.

Also, it'd be nice to see some data as to the percentage of playthroughs that did the Dark Ritual, just so we know the scale of the audience we are talking about here.