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[TJPags]

dheer wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Morrigan only has the God Child if you do the ritual.  If not, no god child.  If no gold child, then just some kid.  No big deal.

I can see the point you're making but Morrigan was just some kid as well at one point. I can see how, if they wanted to, they could make her son a big deal whether he has an old god's soul or not. People that had their Warden do the Dark Ritual will just know a specific reason why he's special.

Yup, she was just some kid at one point.

Now, she's just some female mage who was raised by Flemeth.

She's not special in that respect at all.

[Frybread76]

Well, the default import is a male noble who survives the death of the archdemon with Alistair on the throne. This means one of two endings for DAO: Alistair was hardened and Loghain killed the Archdemon or the Warden did the dark ritual.

[MyKingdomCold]

SaracenProuf wrote...

Or after she left she could have had sex with another warden.

then it would be just another child and not the Old God Baby

[SaracenProuf]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

SaracenProuf wrote...

Or after she left she could have had sex with another warden.

then it would be just another child and not the Old God Baby

Thats what I've been saying... Morrigans baby might be the main character but doesn't have to be an old god.

[Aaleel]

SaracenProuf wrote...

MyKingdomCold wrote...

SaracenProuf wrote...

Or after she left she could have had sex with another warden.

then it would be just another child and not the Old God Baby

Thats what I've been saying... Morrigans baby might be the main character but doesn't have to be an old god.

But what's makes that character intriguing if it's not the Old God Baby.  Also I think you would turn more people off by making Morrigan's kid the MC, and not making it the Old God Baby.  Especially those who did the ritual and thought it was going to lead somewhere down the line.  There's just no reason to do it if it's not going to be the Old God Baby.

[PinkysPain]

SaracenProuf wrote...

 Okay I know the child being an Old God baby is non canon. But what makes him non canon. He can be the son of the warden but not the old god baby or he can be the son of a warden from orlais if Morrigan leaves. There is no scenario where Morrigan can't have a child. Also what about that whole thing about him having a destiny in the changing of the world. Is Bioware seriously going to throw that out of the window...

You're right, regardless if a warden did the deed in DA:O they could just have posited a new blight to explain it ... with a timeskip of say 30 years that's not a huge issue The problem with the Old God Baby is that it would put an epic story line into motion ... and in the new grim dark world of Dragon Age there is no room for epic story lines.

PS. I get the distinct feeling that all the epic drowned out of Dragon Age the moment Brent Knowles left.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 10 avril 2011 - 05:04 .

[The Angry One]

Frybread76 wrote...

Well, the default import is a male noble who survives the death of the archdemon with Alistair on the throne. This means one of two endings for DAO: Alistair was hardened and Loghain killed the Archdemon or the Warden did the dark ritual.

And default is not canon so that doesn't mean a damn thing.

[AlanC9]

Deadmac wrote...

Regardless about 'what we think', BioWare can only answer this question. When the "SW: Knights of the Old Republic" franchise was getting ready for a sequel, BioWare defined the canonized elements of the game.

Was that Bio, Obsidian, or LucasArts?

Anyway, KotOR 2 is a good example of what not to do with canon. Rather than pick either the LS or DS ending as canon, KotOR 2 simply makes the difference between the two endings essentially irrelevant. Not only does the universe suck either way, but it sucks in exactly the same way regardless of what you did in KotOR.

The more important a choice is in a game, the less possible it is to implement alternate versions of it in a sequel. Either you have to pick one choice or you have to trivialize the effects of the choice. Or don't let the player change anything important for the universe in the first place, which is how ME1 got around the problem.

My personal preference for the OGB would be to make the DR canon. If you didn't do the DR, you don't get to import that save.

[Frybread76]

The Angry One wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

Well, the default import is a male noble who survives the death of the archdemon with Alistair on the throne. This means one of two endings for DAO: Alistair was hardened and Loghain killed the Archdemon or the Warden did the dark ritual.

And default is not canon so that doesn't mean a damn thing.

why not, because you say so.  its gives us more to work with than any theory you might have.

[Maria Caliban]

AlanC9 wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Regardless about 'what we think', BioWare can only answer this question. When the "SW: Knights of the Old Republic" franchise was getting ready for a sequel, BioWare defined the canonized elements of the game.

Was that Bio, Obsidian, or LucasArts?

LucasArts made the canon in one of their five billion Star Wars encyclopedias. Obsidian and BioWare have never acknowledged there being a canon Revan or Exile.

[Maria Caliban]

SaracenProuf wrote...

Okay I know the child being an Old God baby is non canon.

Cool.

But what makes him non canon.

The lack of BioWare saying that the OGB is canon.

He can be the son of the warden but not the old god baby or he can be the son of a warden from orlais if Morrigan leaves.

Yes, Morrigan can have a kid on her own. That kid wouldn't be an OGB.

It's also very possible to have the Warden alive in Awakening (hence no Orlesan W-C) without the Dark Ritual, have the Warden and Orlesan W-C be female, or even have them both be male and not have sex with Morrigan.

There is no scenario where Morrigan can't have a child.

Indeed. Morrigan can get herself knocked up at any place or time.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

SaracenProuf wrote...

v_ware wrote...

SaracenProuf wrote...

That's what I'm saying the Old God baby is non canon but Morrigan's child isn't.

And the warden's child.

Let me put this simple:
To make a child you need a mother and a father and without the seed of the warden there can be no baby.

And besides: the spirit of the old god could only be sucked towards the baby if it had the tainted genetic material of the warden.

Let me put it more simply. I said the baby doesn't have to be The Warden's child. He doesn't even have to be an old God. All he has to be is Morrigan's child which is canon.

Look at it this way if you go through the ritual she has your or Allistar's baby. If you don't but you have romanced her anyway she has a child anyway. If you don't she goes to Orlais where it is very likely she could have been impregnated by another warden there. In every scenario Morrigan can have a child.

where does it say that morrigan will get impregnated  if she goes to orlais regardless, even if doesn't have sex with any of your party members?

[PinkysPain]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Yes, Morrigan can have a kid on her own. That kid wouldn't be an OGB.

Unless there is another blight (with a warden to seduce).

[erilben]

Frybread76 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

Well, the default import is a male noble who survives the death of the archdemon with Alistair on the throne. This means one of two endings for DAO: Alistair was hardened and Loghain killed the Archdemon or the Warden did the dark ritual.

And default is not canon so that doesn't mean a damn thing.

why not, because you say so.  its gives us more to work with than any theory you might have.

Canon would mean it's the same for everyone.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Frybread76 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

Well, the default import is a male noble who survives the death of the archdemon with Alistair on the throne. This means one of two endings for DAO: Alistair was hardened and Loghain killed the Archdemon or the Warden did the dark ritual.

And default is not canon so that doesn't mean a damn thing.

why not, because you say so.  its gives us more to work with than any theory you might have.

'default' is not canon because those are two different terms with two different meanings. I don't know if it can be put any simpler than this.

[Akka le Vil]

SaracenProuf wrote...

That's what I'm saying the Old God baby is non canon but Morrigan's child isn't.

Morrigan having the Gold-child imply that a particular path was chosen during Origins, which is contrary to what Bioware wanted (that is, player's choices being significant and all equally canon).

Morrigan having a child doesn't require anything. The child can be one she conceived with the Warden, but it can just as well be one she made with another man and just pretend that (s)he's the Warden's one. As such, Morrigan's child can be canon, as it doesn't invalidate any one of the player's choice.

[Abispa]

Just how are babies made in Bioware games, anyway. I mean, all my character have sex all the time and so far only Morrigan has gotten pregnant.

Edit: Oops, sorry. Forgot about Baldur's Gate II. *shudder*

[shoggoth1890]

Think you need to get a paternity test on that kid Abispa, sounds like you're shooting blanks.

[neppakyo]

Well, dont forget.. Bioware to canon is akin to Uwe Boll and good movies. >.>

Modifié par neppakyo, 10 avril 2011 - 05:58 .

[Hyper Cutter]

Bioware's already established that they're perfectly fine ignoring what the players do in favor of what they want to do (Lots of people not staying dead round here), so they'd probably just declare the Dark Ritual canon and go with it regardless.

[rizoiz]

Well my vote is for the OGB to be a companion. Both games had a mage possessed by a spirit. Why not have one share a body with a god?

[IanPolaris]

In the default ending, there HAS to be an OGB because we are told that Warden Cousland put his best friend (Alistair) on the throne, killed the Archdemon and SURVIVED. There is only one way that happens: Morrigan and the OGB. I don't doubt that DG and BW don't want to make the OGB canon, but they've sort of put themselves into a corner with their own game lore.

-Polaris

[Drachasor]

IanPolaris wrote...

In the default ending, there HAS to be an OGB because we are told that Warden Cousland put his best friend (Alistair) on the throne, killed the Archdemon and SURVIVED. There is only one way that happens: Morrigan and the OGB. I don't doubt that DG and BW don't want to make the OGB canon, but they've sort of put themselves into a corner with their own game lore.

-Polaris

Why would they not want to make the OGB cannon?

[TheButterflyEffect]

I don't want to think about it. I still fail to comprehend why she was so cold to the Warden and insisted on running off with the kid forever. I hate her.

Too psychologically traumatic. And my psyche is very delicate...

[TheButterflyEffect]

I don't everr want to see her or the kid in another game again unless it's to murder them both. I want to kill both of them. Like honestly just, I just don't understand why she just HAD to turn into an icy biach and run off with it, even if the Warden was her lover like what the hell is wrong with this woman? I just like it left my mind so shattered it was unreal. Oh my God I hate her. She's blatantly a dark evilish character so I think she was BS'ing the Warden, she's the most unsuitable person to be a mother in the whole game, she's not going to raise it to be good, she has no benevolent intentions with it whatsoever and it's going to be hell raising trouble in the future I just know it. I want her and the bastard DEAD.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 18 mai 2011 - 08:56 .