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[Drachasor]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I don't everr want to see her or the kid in another game again unless it's to murder them both. I want to kill both of them. Like honestly just, I just don't understand why she just HAD to turn into an icy biach and run off with it, even if the Warden was her lover like what the hell is wrong with this woman? I just like it left my mind so shattered it was unreal. Oh my God I hate her. She's blatantly a dark evilish character so I think she was BS'ing the Warden, she's the most unsuitable person to be a mother in the whole game, she's not going to raise it to be good, she has no benevolent intentions with it whatsoever and it's going to be hell raising trouble in the future I just know it. I want her and the bastard DEAD.

Eh, killing the kid seems more than a little extreme.  Frankly, Morrigan played you pretty straight throughout the whole dang game.  She makes no pretensions about being selfish and her first concern being her own needs, power, freedom, etc.  She even makes it clear she'll leave without the child, though if you get Witch Hunt, you can join her and the kid if you want and she'll be open to that.  Anyhow, you are right she isn't benevolent...that's how she is the whole game.  She's mean and heartless.  Reminds me of objectivists (people who follow Ayn Rand).

Well, she isn't totally mean and heartless, but she certainly tries very hard to be and doesn't acknowledge any emotions of kindness she ever feels (which are admittedly rare as far as the player can tell).  She's not a total monster though, as she doesn't seem interested causing a lot of havoc, at least (though I guess it depends on what the plans are regarding the Old God baby).

Modifié par Drachasor, 18 mai 2011 - 09:10 .

[Eliamor]

rizoiz wrote...

Well my vote is for the OGB to be a companion. Both games had a mage possessed by a spirit. Why not have one share a body with a god?

I second to that. If the OGB is a companion, Bioware could make him whoever they want, we get to play him and specialize his powers and lastly, if you don't like him you could just simply kill him or send him away.
It would be the best situation but I wouldn't object if the OGB became canon either, as long as you could chose to be a girl (you'll never know for sure what gender the child has until it is delivered ). 

[Mikka-chan]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I don't everr want to see her or the kid in another game again unless it's to murder them both. I want to kill both of them. Like honestly just, I just don't understand why she just HAD to turn into an icy biach and run off with it, even if the Warden was her lover like what the hell is wrong with this woman? I just like it left my mind so shattered it was unreal. Oh my God I hate her. She's blatantly a dark evilish character so I think she was BS'ing the Warden, she's the most unsuitable person to be a mother in the whole game, she's not going to raise it to be good, she has no benevolent intentions with it whatsoever and it's going to be hell raising trouble in the future I just know it. I want her and the bastard DEAD.

Wow.

I can understand wanting Morrigan killed: quite a few of my wardens wanted the same (not that I think the single stab in Witch Hunt would have killed her, but I imagine it made a few of my wardens feel better).  But the child?  Calling a child 'it', and proclaiming you want 'it' dead due to hatred of the child's mother? That seems a bit extreme, and borderline creepy.

My wardens would take the child in themselves (even if, say, they were female), and even the evil ones would probably dump the kid at an orphanage somewhere.  The child doesn't even have to be a god baby: it may just be a child of the Warden and Morrigan, done without the ritual.  In which it's no different then any other child born.

Wow.

[Cutlass Jack]

I'm still confused about the wanting Morrigan dead part. Its not like she didn't tell you she was going to run off with the child and you never would see them again before it was even concieved.

She does exactly what she says she was going to do.

[happy_daiz]

I think we all knew she was kind of a beyotch to begin with, so how would her behavior be a surprise?

[Mecher3k]

If Bioware was going to give the finger to those who had certain characters killed in DA:O return anyway in DA2, they should of made the child canon as well.

And Morrigan mean and heartless? LOL have any of you romanced her?

You're like the idiots saying Ashley Williams in ME is racist, when she is obviously not.

[AlanC9]

"Morrigan's mean and heartless, therefore I feel she deserves to be murdered".... I must be missing something here.

[Ambiva]

Unfortunately their inaction may due to the fact that they've dug themselves a hole they aren't sure whether they can get out of. An Old God child seems cataclysmically significant. Only thing is, you can't have a cataclysm that half the playerbase doesn't experience. So unless they can say "Oh btw when Morrigan turned into that cat she didn't leave she just went off and slept with Alistair/Loghain but they didn't tell you" it's very difficult for them to make a decision in this area. Btw, that would be incredibly annoying.

To be honest, while the decision was the second toughest in the game for my character, it was nowhere as hard as whether to live or die. My character was kind of a bit crazy after Tamlen and having to leave his clan and the Joining and Ostagar, so his decision to deny Morrigan wasn't very rational. Basically, the only way he was able to keep himself focused and in a remotely sane frame of mind was to allow his role as the Grey Warden to completely consume him. He had to destroy the Archdemon at all costs. Reasons why were irrelevant. That was why, when it came down to it, my character saw doing the dark ritual as allowing the archdemon to survive, which was against his drive. So he said no. Now he'd probably say yes, seeing as he managed to reconcile his mental issues following his decision to allow Loghain to kill the archdemon.

Modifié par Ambiva, 18 mai 2011 - 09:46 .

[Cornelius119]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I don't everr want to see her or the kid in another game again unless it's to murder them both. I want to kill both of them. Like honestly just, I just don't understand why she just HAD to turn into an icy biach and run off with it, even if the Warden was her lover like what the hell is wrong with this woman? I just like it left my mind so shattered it was unreal. Oh my God I hate her. She's blatantly a dark evilish character so I think she was BS'ing the Warden, she's the most unsuitable person to be a mother in the whole game, she's not going to raise it to be good, she has no benevolent intentions with it whatsoever and it's going to be hell raising trouble in the future I just know it. I want her and the bastard DEAD.

i gotta say from that comment i would say that Morrigan is "waaaaaay" more suited to be a parrent than you

[Alexander1136]

1.) why would he be bad? Morrigan said he had no idea about his destiny that he was an innocent young child.
2.) A whole lot of people had there Wardens go through the gate to help be the father
3.) The Hero of Fereldan seems to be the default cannon. Meaning Morrigan has the kid.

I dont really care what the cannon is as long as they give everyone's story equal attention. a lot of girls told her to f off and not to touch Alistair so that means no baby. while yes, she could have a kid with another warden, unless that warden goes and finds an archdemon and kills it then there really wont be a point. As much as i would love for them to pursue my wardens story of going through the eluvian ect. they shouldnt leave other fans out in the cold.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Morrigan isn't mean or heartless, she's just one of those modern Thedas career women who thinks she can hold down a job as a professional witch while raising a god-child on her own without a father. It's a collision of modern and traditional values ending in failure. Hopefully she'll show up on Dr. Phil with the Warden and talk things out. The baby needs a positive male role model in it's life afterall, someone to teach it how swing sword, drink Darkspawn blood and inevitably bring back the powers of the Old Gods, conquering the world in the end. Trust me, you don't want to see the god-child all grown up with "daddy issues."

[lobi]

They make it up as they go along. There is no Canon there is only Retcon, get over it.

[Alexander1136]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I don't everr want to see her or the kid in another game again unless it's to murder them both. I want to kill both of them. Like honestly just, I just don't understand why she just HAD to turn into an icy biach and run off with it, even if the Warden was her lover like what the hell is wrong with this woman? I just like it left my mind so shattered it was unreal. Oh my God I hate her. She's blatantly a dark evilish character so I think she was BS'ing the Warden, she's the most unsuitable person to be a mother in the whole game, she's not going to raise it to be good, she has no benevolent intentions with it whatsoever and it's going to be hell raising trouble in the future I just know it. I want her and the bastard DEAD.

How is she blatanly a dark evilish character? she helps save all of fereldan from the blight. all of her disaproves were because A.) you were wasting time when you had something more important to do. or B.) You were adding to the problems of the world. When she disaproves  you helping the merchant in lothering, she isnt pissed because your helping people. she's pissed because your helping an opressive organization tell a merchent to lower his prices. when she disaproves you helping redcliff its because if this army cant even stop a demon and its army why go through the trouble to recruit them. the elves are the same story most are sick and dying and she sees the werewolves will be better allies. IF anything her foresight proves that she could be mother of the year. so suck on that troll.

[Giggles_Manically]

Ugh.

Dear Bioware:

Please invalidate the choices of some of your players so that I can have the story that I would prefer.

Thanks!
Signed: ImissMYMorripoo98.

[Lucian820]

One of three things happened:

1) She did the ritual with you

2) She did the ritual with Alistair

3) She did the ritual with the warden you rescued



Your warden or Alistair dying happened from explosion damage from the archdemon going boom not because its soul went into them and extinguished your life.

[Harid]

I don't think the god-baby will be a companion any time soon, DA3 seems to occur directly after DA2, and people complained enough about jrpg-ification of the series, unless the kid has accelerated magic growth you'd be rolling with a preteen, and. . .no thanks. As a matter of fact, no thanks to both. Bioware bites off of Joss Whedon wholesale enough and I don't want another Connor from Angel situation.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, without the Warden involved this god baby story is gonna fall flat, there is no reason for Hawke to give a damn about the Warden's child, and new players will not be familiar with the storyline.  At the very most I expect either a secret boss or a way to indefinately extend blights from the whole situation.

It's probably be best for Bioware to either make a exclusive character to people who imported all the way from Origins, which is not how Bioware rolls, or conversely, ignore the plot thread all together. Or they are going to be impeding too far into "a wizard did it" territory.

This was my initial problem with Bioware making DA2 so closely follow DA:O. There isn't enough time to reliably change things without magical handwaving.

Modifié par Harid, 19 mai 2011 - 02:26 .

[Marko GW]

She may had sex with Riordan the same night ( if ) she got refused both by the Warden and Alistair, that's why he went all crazy jumping on a back of the Archdemon, being full of himself (egotrip) after nailing Morrigan, plus she may have told him that killing the Archdemon after getting her pregnant will not kill him.

Therefore I think that Morrigan's god child will show itself one way or another.

I for one, got her pregnant and went with her through the mirror with my very first Warden. It seemed apropriate since I had a big crush on her, both in-game and out. Crazy I know

Although the very first playthrough I rejected her and did the ultimate sacrifice, but then I replayed the ending since I wanted more interesting "future" and accepted the DR.

But after a couple of playthroughs with other Wardens I got a bit more oriented towards Leliana, kinda cooled off from Morrigan. She's a bit too much maintenance.

Modifié par Marko GW, 19 mai 2011 - 10:06 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

Blah blah blah that's not how romances are supposed to work, where did the whole defrosting the goddamn freaking ice queen go? I thought with characters like these, the objective was to un-biatchify them, at least towards you. WTF Bioware I hate your guts.

Oh, and even worse, Leliana F'd off to join the goddamn Seekers when I thought we'd gotten her off that stupid shammy Chantry crock crap.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Mikka-chan wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I don't everr want to see her or the kid in another game again unless it's to murder them both. I want to kill both of them. Like honestly just, I just don't understand why she just HAD to turn into an icy biach and run off with it, even if the Warden was her lover like what the hell is wrong with this woman? I just like it left my mind so shattered it was unreal. Oh my God I hate her. She's blatantly a dark evilish character so I think she was BS'ing the Warden, she's the most unsuitable person to be a mother in the whole game, she's not going to raise it to be good, she has no benevolent intentions with it whatsoever and it's going to be hell raising trouble in the future I just know it. I want her and the bastard DEAD.

Wow.

I can understand wanting Morrigan killed: quite a few of my wardens wanted the same (not that I think the single stab in Witch Hunt would have killed her, but I imagine it made a few of my wardens feel better).  But the child?  Calling a child 'it', and proclaiming you want 'it' dead due to hatred of the child's mother? That seems a bit extreme, and borderline creepy.

My wardens would take the child in themselves (even if, say, they were female), and even the evil ones would probably dump the kid at an orphanage somewhere.  The child doesn't even have to be a god baby: it may just be a child of the Warden and Morrigan, done without the ritual.  In which it's no different then any other child born.

Wow.

It's a freak of nature, a violation of all wordly things, it's an abomination and therefore it needs to be exterminated. Unless there's a magic way to un-Archdemonify it and make it a normal person again. That's just beyond freakishy messed up and wrong and ugh I want to cut it up into little bloody pieces and burn them... it's just too screwed up and wrong. Also, Morrigan is a **** and the worst candidate for motherhood EVER. Just the idea of HER popping out a brat and actually RAISING it is just beyond horrifying, she obviously has NO good intentions for it whatsoever and she's going to make it as crusty and evil and as much of a selfish arse as her. I want to slice out her goddamn ovaries, why wasn't that an option, oh my god what a freak and **** and just ugh a total goddamn freak. Or even better why wasn't it an option to stab her in the stomach after the whole Archdemon crapstorm was over? Grrrrrrrrrrrr.... that grey dog standing the throneroom at the end was so obviously her, why couldn't we slash it's (her) throat and skin it? Would have looked great nailed on a wall.

I never thought I'd say this but this chick is ever worse than Viconia DeVir. (at least she has normal sex and has a NORMAL goddamn kid with the PC, holy crap.)

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 27 mai 2011 - 02:41 .

[AlanC9]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
It's a freak of nature, a violation of all wordly things, it's an abomination and therefore it needs to be exterminated. Unless there's a magic way to un-Archdemonify it and make it a normal person again. That's just beyond freakishy messed up and wrong and ugh I want to cut it up into little bloody pieces and burn them... it's just too screwed up and wrong. Also, Morrigan is a **** and the worst candidate for motherhood EVER. Just the idea of HER popping out a brat and actually RAISING it is just beyond horrifying, she obviously has NO good intentions for it whatsoever and she's going to make it as crusty and evil and as much of a selfish arse as her. I want to slice out her goddamn ovaries, why wasn't that an option, oh my god what a freak and **** and just ugh a total goddamn freak. Or even better why wasn't it an option to stab her in the stomach after the whole Archdemon crapstorm was over? Grrrrrrrrrrrr.... that grey dog standing the throneroom at the end was so obviously her, why couldn't we slash it's (her) throat and skin it? Would have looked great nailed on a wall.

Umm.... how does a Warden who thinks this way end up doing the DR in the first place? Even if he's a coward, he can just get someone else to do the deathblow. Or is he a moron too?

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 mai 2011 - 03:21 .

[marshalleck]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I never thought I'd say this but this chick is ever worse than Viconia DeVir. (at least she has normal sex and has a NORMAL goddamn kid with the PC, holy crap.)

You're thinking of Aerie. Now go sit in the corner and think about the temper tantrum you just threw.

[Ryzaki]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Ugh.

Dear Bioware:

Please invalidate the choices of some of your players so that I can have the story that I would prefer.

Thanks!
Signed: ImissMYMorripoo98.

 

If Morrigan has to be in another ame I'd rather my choices not be retconned thanks. I take a great deal of pleasure in telling her to GTFO with her stupid self. 

[kaiki01]

SaracenProuf wrote...

That's what I'm saying the Old God baby is non canon but Morrigan's child isn't.

Sources?

[AlanC9]

kaiki01 wrote...

SaracenProuf wrote...

That's what I'm saying the Old God baby is non canon but Morrigan's child isn't.

Sources?

Doesn't matter. It can't be true. The same kid can't both be and not be the OGB. We're talking about two completely different situations.

[haroldhardluck]

SaracenProuf wrote...
 Okay I know the child being an Old God baby is non canon

Canon is impossible with the DA games. Canon means there is only One True Version and the games have too many options for there is be One True Version. The games are tales that take place in alternate time lines.

Those alternate time lines that Bioware decides to support in future games go on. The others are dead end lines. DA2 allows 4 possible time lines, 3 Bioware supplied time lines (i.e. endings) and one that you can supply from your DAO saves.

So if Bioware decideds to do something with the Old God child in a future game, then that time line continues on. If not then any time line (i.e. game) where the child exists, ends and only the lines where there is no child continue on.

It is possible for Bioware to decalre a canon for DA3 but that would only apply to DA3 and following games. In effect Bioware declares all alternate time lines from DAO and DA2 have ended.

Harold