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[Augustei]

So basically my hawke pretty much picks the agressive outcome all the time, is an evil bastard and in my save I want to have pretty much what would could be considered the worst outcome for events. What is the worst possible outcome for all the choices you can think of?

So far ive got

Side with the Mercenaries, since they kill people (Seems more evil then being a thug)
Killed the Fereldens protecting Anders
Kill Lord Harrimen the Noble that convinced the Viscount to send financial aid to ferelden (Part of Mercenary Questline)
Sided with Templars at the end, told Anders to just leave so Sebastian would leave to build an army, then killed Anders later in the gallows anyway.
Gave Isabella to the Arishok (But im thinking killing all the Qunari than giving the tomb to Castillion in Act 3 Might be worst, not sure about this one)
Gave Fenris to his master
Killed the Mahariel Clan
Give Feynriel to the Templars (unsure about this)
Allowed Feynriel to be possessed
Killed the Saarebas Ketojan's masters before he killed himself
Sided with Ser Varnell when he has the Qunari tied up
Sided with Patrice in the chantry
Killed my sibling in the deep roads
Make Thrask pay me to keep his daughter a secret
Help the Apostates escape the templars by saying I will kill thrask even though they get captured and I dont kill him
Return the Magistrates murderer son to prison (Also unsure about this one)
Kill Batrand
Go full Rival with Aveline making her hate me and return to ferelden to join the army
Kill Merrill upon siding with the Templars (Is this possible? Not sure if it is but have heard it)
Take Dougals offer, kill him later.
Force Emile de Launcet to return to the circle not allowing him to loose his vrginity lol
Tell Knight-Captain Cullen to kill everyone in that quest where your sibling / companion gets kidnapped
Convince the slaver Reiner to let Feynriel go so the slaver goes off free
Spare Gascard DuPuis
Invest in Huberts mine and have him pay me upfront instead of buying safety equiptment
Beat up Sabin the traitor to the mine and then have him killed
Get the Elven Slave Girl during Fenris's quest

I Will add more if I think of them
Anything else you can think of or have an opinion on these choices?

EDIT: Also What about killing Wesley, who should do it for the "evil" option me or aveline? ... Also does aveline mention it later if I was the one who killed Wesley and what does she say?

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 18 octobre 2011 - 08:46 .

[LobselVith8]

Looks pretty thorough. I suppose if you don't have full friendship or rivalry with Merrill, that it's possible to kill her the same way you fight Fenris (unless you tell him it's slavery or have full friendship or rivalry with him). I believe Aveline is the same way, actually - I heard she sides with the templars if you don't have a full friendship or rivalry with her.

[TobiTobsen]

Maybe you should consider to let Bethany go to the circle and then kill her in the end, just like Meredith orders you to. I think thats more evil than just mercy killing her in the deep roads (and I'll hate you for it  )

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 10 avril 2011 - 03:15 .

[Khayness]

Get the elven slave girl.

Slaves are useful.

[Augustei]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Maybe you should consider to let Bethany go to the circle and then kill her in the end, just like Meredith orders you to. I think thats more evil than just mercy killing her in the deep roads (and I'll hate you for it  )

yeah thats better for rogues and warriors definitly. I mean having her break down and start crying over the death of Orsino and then letting Meredith Kill her is extremely heartless and evil lol. So for rogues and warriors thats definitly the evil choice as apposed to a mercy killing in the deep roads

As for Mages though, Carver I think automatically sides with the Templars so killing him in the deep roads in the better.. well worse thing for to do
Does he side against you if you side with the Mages in the end and he isn't a Templar though?

[Augustei]

Khayness wrote...

Get the elven slave girl.

Slaves are useful.

Oh yeah! Forgot about her

[Augustei]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Looks pretty thorough. I suppose if you don't have full friendship or rivalry with Merrill, that it's possible to kill her the same way you fight Fenris (unless you tell him it's slavery or have full friendship or rivalry with him). I believe Aveline is the same way, actually - I heard she sides with the templars if you don't have a full friendship or rivalry with her.

Thanks

Hmm never seem to be able to get the Aveline one, theres a dramatic pause where It seems she might side against me but then she just sides with me.. Maybe with my last saves she was to far in either direction on the friendship / rivalry meter though

[TobiTobsen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Maybe you should consider to let Bethany go to the circle and then kill her in the end, just like Meredith orders you to. I think thats more evil than just mercy killing her in the deep roads (and I'll hate you for it  )

yeah thats better for rogues and warriors definitly. I mean having her break down and start crying over the death of Orsino and then letting Meredith Kill her is extremely heartless and evil lol. So for rogues and warriors thats definitly the evil choice as apposed to a mercy killing in the deep roads

As for Mages though, Carver I think automatically sides with the Templars so killing him in the deep roads in the better.. well worse thing for to do
Does he side against you if you side with the Mages in the end and he isn't a Templar though?

Na. Carver acts like a ****** but he stands with his brother in the end.

[Augustei]

Remebered another, agressively make Aveline kill Ser Wesley, sell his shield later,

[Augustei]

Hmm, would sparing Batrand and leaving him to live as an insane madman be considered evil instead of killing him?

[Xewaka]

Side with the magi. Not only you slaughter the mages anyway, the ending makes less sense.

[TobiTobsen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Hmm, would sparing Batrand and leaving him to live as an insane madman be considered evil instead of killing him?

Na... Varric takes care of him then.

Maybe letting Anders make him sane again, just to force Varric to shoot him?

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 11 avril 2011 - 06:15 .

[IanPolaris]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Get the elven slave girl.

Slaves are useful.

Oh yeah! Forgot about her

I don't think getting the Elven slave girl is that evil necessarily.  All my good Hawke's have done it.  Of course they also HIRED her and PAID her once she was part of the household staff (meanig she was no longer a slave even i she herself regarded herself as one).  The poor girl has a complete slave mentality.  Fenris puts it very (and sadly) well when he tells you (if you give her coin) that she'll be robbed, helpless, and peniless within the day.  It's sad but in a slave-society you are going to have a segnment of slaves that have no personal motivation or incentive other than to serve their master.  She is one of them.

At least this way, if you PAY her and give her life a purpose, you might be able to ween her eventually into the idea that she is free.  At lest that's my reasoning.

-Polris

[Abispa]

Don't forget about romancing EVERYONE you possibly can, even NPCs, especially after they confess that they love you. Maybe we can get the Lifetime Movie Network to buy the rights to Dragon Age.

[Augustei]

TobiTobsen wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Hmm, would sparing Batrand and leaving him to live as an insane madman be considered evil instead of killing him?

Na... Varric takes care of him then.

Maybe letting Anders make him sane again, just to force Varric to shoot him?

Anders can do that?

[TobiTobsen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Hmm, would sparing Batrand and leaving him to live as an insane madman be considered evil instead of killing him?

Na... Varric takes care of him then.

Maybe letting Anders make him sane again, just to force Varric to shoot him?

Anders can do that?

Yes. Ander can make Bartrand temporarily sane again so he can have one last chat with Varric. That turns the whole rivalry/friendship points situation around. Before that letting him live would give you rivalry, killing him friendship. Now that's different. You you can either tell Varic he should take care of his brother (friendship points) or force him to shoot Bartrand (rivalry).

Making Bartrand sane and then forcing Varric to shoot him sounds like the most evil way for your playthrough.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 12 avril 2011 - 08:36 .

[electricfish]

Making Bethany a Grey Warden seems pretty jerkish actually. All she wants is a normal life, and joining the Grey Wardens will certainly not give her that at all. Not to mention, some templar may come and kill her anyway because of her association with Hawke (see Rylock).

[Augustei]

Zorr Crew wrote...

Making Bethany a Grey Warden seems pretty jerkish actually. All she wants is a normal life, and joining the Grey Wardens will certainly not give her that at all. Not to mention, some templar may come and kill her anyway because of her association with Hawke (see Rylock).

Uggh Rylock, whenever I hear that name I remember me slaughtering that B**ch lol. Still idk, she comes to accept it in the final parts of the game and all is seemingly well, Whereas stepping aside as she crys from witnessing Orsinos death and allowing Meredith to kill her is very very cold

[Augustei]

Hmm regarding the Arishok what would be the more 'Evil' thing to do here? Let him go with the tomb and isabela or kill all the Qunari there?

[Elessara]

Eh if you let him take Isabela, she just escapes and steals the tome again anyway. Might as well kill him and the qunari ... not sure if you can kill Isabela later or actually give her to Castillon might want see if that's possible.

[Rifneno]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Hmm regarding the Arishok what would be the more 'Evil' thing to do here? Let him go with the tomb and isabela or kill all the Qunari there?

How on earth is it evil to kill those murdering scum?  I always play hardcore good guy and the only time I ever let those qunari live is if I'm playing FemHawke and I want them to go back to Par Vollen and spread the knowledge that the supreme qunari warrior, the best they have to offer, was defeated in one-in-one combat by a woman.  Considering they don't even think women can be warriors...  this is a shame their race will never live down.

[Iosev]

Siding with the templars to let Meredith kill Bethany would probably be top in my list for most vile things you could do in a playthrough.

Modifié par arcelonious, 27 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[Dave of Canada]

Spare Castilion, don't cap out Aveline friendship or rivalry so she'll ditch you in the end and support the holy war when talking with Leliana (though I doubt that matters). 


[quote]XxDeonxX wrote...
Side with the Mercenaries, since they kill people (Seems more evil then being a thug)[/quote]

Betray Athenril, side with Meeran and then do his job to kill Lord Harriman or don't do it and tell the truth to Meeran which results in you killing Meeran.

[quote]Killed the Fereldens protecting Anders[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Kill Lord Harrimen the Noble that convinced the Viscount to send financial aid to ferelden (Part of Mercenary Questline)[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Sided with Templars at the end, told Anders to just leave so Sebastian would leave to build an army, then killed Anders later in the gallows anyway.[/quote]

Yep.

or:
Side with the Magi, tell Anders to go away and then when he comes back you can tell him to go away again. That way, you're a hunted (wo)man.

[quote]Gave Isabella to the Arishok (But im thinking killing all the Qunari than giving the tomb to Castillion in Act 3 Might be worst, not sure about this one)[/quote]

Castilion gets it anyway, so give Isabela to the Arishok. Same warnings are handed out and Castilion gets the tome anyway, the only difference is that Isabela swears vengeance upon you.

[quote]Gave Fenris to his master[/quote]

This or kill him.

[quote]Killed the Mahariel Clan[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Give Feynriel to the Templars (unsure about this)[/quote]

Give him to the Dalish, it opens up a second branch where you can either kill the Templar or the Dalish outside Sundermount (act 2) and Feynriel's nightmares are worse because Dalish magic isn't too great.

[quote]Allowed Feynriel to be possessed[/quote]

Yep, though I'm not sure what happens if you break his mind and don't tranquil him. Not sure if it's possible.

[quote]Killed the Saarebas Ketojan's masters before he killed himself[/quote]

Doubt it matters how you do it since it always ends up with all of them dead.

[quote]Sided with Ser Varnell when he has the Qunari tied up[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Sided with Patrice in the chantry[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Killed my sibling in the deep roads[/quote]

If it's Bethany, side with the Templar and you can allow Meredith to run her through.

[quote]Make Thrask pay me to keep his daughter a secret[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Help the Apostates escape the templars by saying I will kill thrask even though they get captured and I dont kill him[/quote]

Yep or kill Thrask. He's probably one of the only voice of reasons in the Templar.

[quote]Return the Magistrates murderer son to prison (Also unsure about this one)[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Kill Batrand[/quote]

Depends, if you bring Anders and cure him... yep.

[quote]Go full Rival with Aveline making her hate me and return to ferelden to join the army[/quote]

50/50, depends on how you see it.

[quote]Kill Merrill upon siding with the Templars (Is this possible? Not sure if it is but have heard it)[/quote]

Yep.

Don't cap either friendship or rivalry.

[quote]Take Dougals offer, kill him later.[/quote]

Technically, paying him would be worse.

[quote]Force Emile de Launcet to return to the circle not allowing him to loose his vrginity lol[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Tell Knight-Captain Cullen to kill everyone in that quest where your sibling / companion gets kidnapped[/quote]

This or reinstate Samson.

[quote]Convince the slaver Reiner to let Feynriel go so the slaver goes off free[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Spare Gascard DuPuis[/quote]

Nope, he quits magic if he lives. Killing him is worse.

[quote]Invest in Huberts mine and have him pay me upfront instead of buying safety equiptment[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Beat up Sabin the traitor to the mine and then have him killed[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Get the Elven Slave Girl during Fenris's quest[/quote]

This or tell her to get out so she'll run away with knowledge of living a normal life.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 27 avril 2011 - 07:00 .

[LobselVith8]

Xewaka wrote...

Side with the magi. Not only you slaughter the mages anyway, the ending makes less sense.

No, I've done the Magi ending, and the Magic Macguffin still makes no sense to me. If nothing else, siding with the mages means Hawke gets the frak out of Kirkwall faster, and that can only be a good thing for his sanity points.

Would letting Castillion live (in "No Rest for the Wicked") be considered more "evil" than handing over Isabella to the Arishok?

[Dave of Canada]

LobselVith8 wrote...

No, I've done the Magi ending, and the Magic Macguffin still makes no sense to me. If nothing else, siding with the mages means Hawke gets the frak out of Kirkwall faster, and that can only be a good thing for his sanity points.

(S)He and all companions are outlaws in the mage ending, though. That's probably worse for everybody.

Would letting Castillion live (in "No Rest for the Wicked") be considered more "evil" than handing over Isabella to the Arishok?

Not really, was just throwing it out there. Isabela handed to the Arishok results in Castilion probably getting the tome and still living.