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[LobselVith8]

Dave of Canada wrote...

(S)He and all companions are outlaws in the mage ending, though. That's probably worse for everybody.

I considered that, but Varric seems to be back in Kirkwall like it's no problem.

[Dave of Canada]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I considered that, but Varric seems to be back in Kirkwall like it's no problem.

Years after the finale and even then, he hides from the Merchant's Guild and has contacts around the city probably helping him hide. In his short story (posted by Mary Kirby in the Varric thread), we know that everybody in the Hanged Man protects him. If anybody could be back in Kirkwall without a problem, it's probably Varric.

[Sussurus]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Hmm, would sparing Batrand and leaving him to live as an insane madman be considered evil instead of killing him?

It depends, it's worse for Varric if you force him to continue looking after his brother as he has all his life.
Forcing him to do so, especially as Bartrand is now a complete Lector character.

... But, not if you take Anders to that quest, Anders makes it the right thing to do.
As Varric realises how tainted in madness his brother has become, and sees that mercy is better than vengence..
How'd a thunk it? that Anders could have this effect?

So based on party.. no Anders sanitorium, Anders kill Bartrand.

Modifié par Sussurus, 27 avril 2011 - 01:11 .

[BubbleDncr]

I got Aveline to full rivalry and she still never left me.
In her last QB conversation, I forget what my other option was, but I picked "Goodbye" with the attack icon next to it, thinking I would just kill her, but all that happened was I sad goodbye in a meanish way.

So you ca actually make her go back to Ferelden? Now I'm wondering if my game was glitched.

[Augustei]

Actually I think giving dougal the money and going would probably be more "Evil" since a powerful member of the dwavern carta would still be on the streets. Does he still come back later?

[Augustei]

BubbleDncr wrote...

I got Aveline to full rivalry and she still never left me.
In her last QB conversation, I forget what my other option was, but I picked "Goodbye" with the attack icon next to it, thinking I would just kill her, but all that happened was I sad goodbye in a meanish way.

So you ca actually make her go back to Ferelden? Now I'm wondering if my game was glitched.

yeah she says she will but still sticks with you till the end of the game

[Augustei]

what would be more "Evil" sparing the arishok or killing merrill?

[Wereparrot]

Are the mercenaries that bad though? I've only just gone with them, and I got the first Bone Pit quest via a letter from Meeran, and it's not as if this is a 'bad' quest.

[Augustei]

Wereparrot wrote...

Are the mercenaries that bad though? I've only just gone with them, and I got the first Bone Pit quest via a letter from Meeran, and it's not as if this is a 'bad' quest.

Nah its not really bad but it gives you the oppotunity to murder people, like one guy for trying to help a blight devistated ferelden with financial aid. You dont have to but the oppotunity is there.

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 14 mai 2011 - 12:19 .

[Augustei]

Hmm what about the Werewolf Cameo, The one where you have to either kill the dalish or let them kill the ex-werewolf.. Whats the evil option there?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Incidentally, the game will not let you get rid of both Anders and Merrill. If one of them leaves the other will stay with you no matter what - so in order to kill Merrill, you need to side with the Templars, not have her at full friendship/rivalry and keep Anders.

That might actually be the most evil option, since making Anders work for the Templars is a pretty horrible thing to do, and killing Merrill is THE WORST THING EVER.

[Gervaise]

I don't know what you have to do to get Averline to fight against you, since I was only barely on the side of friendship first run through and she still sided with me against the Templars. Ditto Merrill except she was barely on the side of rivalry, I had refused to get her the tool but I had completed the final quest, and killed her entrie clan (by accident because I didn't realise the dialogue prompts would be so illogical - I thought taking full responsibility for Merrill would make them attack me but it turned out that was the only one that would have stopped it.)
As for other suggestions:
You don't give Feynriel to the Templars but the Circle - not really an evil choice, in fact it is what his mother requested in order to help him (unless you mean after being in the Fade?) Giving him to the demon is definitely the most evil option.
Making Averline turn against you may actually be doing her a favour - she then returns to Ferelden and serves a decent monarch instead of being stuck in a hole like Kirkwall.
Making Emile return to the Circle without losing his virginity may be a bit mean but is not really evil - one of my Hawke's did this pointing out that his parents gave him the money to help him escape, not squander it on drinking and women. In fact, if you let him sleep with the girl, if you go back to see his parents you discover her trying to blackmail them into making her a lady because she is carrying his child (I think the father is right and she couldn't know that early but the mother as usual is all "woe is me"), so in a way you could argue this is the most evil option - or just letting him go because the stupid idiot will get himself killed pretty damn quick.
When I spared Gasgard Du Puis, he later writes to me thanking me for sparing his life and stating he is giving up magic as a result of what I did. (I'm not entirely convinced he will totally give up magic but if he has given up blood magic that is good enough for me). So there I would say getting Fenris to torture him and then killing him was the more evil choice - pure self indulgence, nothing more.
I gather if you rival Anders and then spare him to fight with you against the mages, he will do so and then kill himself - very cruel and evil - freeing him to face you in open combat far less so. After all it is his decision to stick around - he could just leg it - so at least you've given him the freedom of choice.
Siding with the Templars against the mages with Bethany in the Circle and then letting her be killed when you have the option of saving her is definitely the most evil thing you can do in the game on a personal level IMHO

[Augustei]

Hmm what should I do about wesley, what would be the more "evil" choice out of the options with him
Kill him myself
Let aveline do it?

Also if you kill him yourself does Aveline mention anything later?

[TobiTobsen]

Ah Deon... are you twirling your evil moustache again?

Since I never picked any other option besides the "You decide" one, I'm not quite sure about Wesley. How is the delivery of the lines from Hawke?

If Hawke urges her to kill him, if you tell her to do it then I would go with that. Otherwise do it yourself. I mean you're a total stranger who happily grabs the murder knife and kills her husband, while she is still in shock. Sounds sufficiently "evil" for your playthrough, if you ask me.

[Yuqi]

I wonder what the worst Origins playthrough would be, to go with the worst DA2 playthrough?

[Myusha]

If you let the Werewolves kill the Dalish Clan in Origins, a Dalish comes by the Dalish Campsite asking someone to help her collect ingredients, because the wolfs and the Lady are slowly becoming feral. You can choose to unleash a horde of werewolves on Ferelden! By not doing a damned thing.

[blaidfiste]

XxDeonxX wrote...

So basically my hawke pretty much picks the agressive outcome all the time, is an evil bastard and in my save I want to have pretty much what would could be considered the worst outcome for events. What is the worst possible outcome for all the choices you can think of?

So far ive got

Side with the Mercenaries, since they kill people (Seems more evil then being a thug)
- Take Athenril's quest first then accept the merchant's bribe (betraying Athenril).  Make sure to kill Athenril in HIghtown night later

Killed the Fereldens protecting Anders
Kill Lord Harrimen the Noble that convinced the Viscount to send financial aid to ferelden (Part of Mercenary Questline)

Sided with Templars at the end, told Anders to just leave so Sebastian would leave to build an army, then killed Anders later in the gallows anyway.
- Let Anders live and help annull the Circle.  Anders implies that he'd kill himself after

Gave Isabella to the Arishok (But im thinking killing all the Qunari than giving the tomb to Castillion in Act 3 Might be worst, not sure about this one)
- I'd rather screw over the Qunari in this case.  Let Isabella escape with the tome.  The remaining Qunari lose an Arishok and I doubt they can return home without the tome.  All those years in Kirkwall wasted.

Gave Fenris to his master
Killed the Mahariel Clan

Give Feynriel to the Templars (unsure about this)
-Kill him in the Fade and make him Tranquil

Allowed Feynriel to be possessed
Killed the Saarebas Ketojan's masters before he killed himself
Sided with Ser Varnell when he has the Qunari tied up
Sided with Patrice in the chantry

Killed my sibling in the deep roads
- Don't take siblings to the Deep Roads.
- Allow Meredith to kill Circle Bethany in act 3.  Carver lives as a Templar but cannot do anything about an apostate sibling, an abomination and a bloodmage.

Make Thrask pay me to keep his daughter a secret

Help the Apostates escape the templars by saying I will kill thrask even though they get captured and I dont kill him
- Force the apostates back into the circle

Return the Magistrates murderer son to prison (Also unsure about this one)
Kill Batrand
Go full Rival with Aveline making her hate me and return to ferelden to join the army
Kill Merrill upon siding with the Templars (Is this possible? Not sure if it is but have heard it)
Take Dougals offer, kill him later.
Force Emile de Launcet to return to the circle not allowing him to loose his vrginity lol
Tell Knight-Captain Cullen to kill everyone in that quest where your sibling / companion gets kidnapped
Convince the slaver Reiner to let Feynriel go so the slaver goes off free

Spare Gascard DuPuis
- Go to Darktown and kill him after the quest

Invest in Huberts mine and have him pay me upfront instead of buying safety equiptment
Beat up Sabin the traitor to the mine and then have him killed
Get the Elven Slave Girl during Fenris's quest

- Screw over Aveline's romance quest.
- Let the Dalish kill the ex-werewolf

I Will add more if I think of them
Anything else you can think of or have an opinion on these choices?

EDIT: Also What about killing Wesley, who should do it for the "evil" option me or aveline? ... Also does aveline mention it later if I was the one who killed Wesley and what does she say?

[Kenshen]

Andrastee wrote...

Incidentally, the game will not let you get rid of both Anders and Merrill. If one of them leaves the other will stay with you no matter what - so in order to kill Merrill, you need to side with the Templars, not have her at full friendship/rivalry and keep Anders.

That might actually be the most evil option, since making Anders work for the Templars is a pretty horrible thing to do, and killing Merrill is THE WORST THING EVER.

Now that i know this is possible Merrill will die in all future playthroughs.

[GhostlyMaiden]

If you're siding with templars, it is possible to kill both Merrill and Anders. I even had Meredith skewer Bethany as well, so my reaver Hawke has no mages in her post-campaign save whatsoever. Just make sure Anders is fully rivaled with Justice and his Questioning Beliefs afterwards completed. Merrill can technically be maxed either way, just as long as you don't do her last Questioning Beliefs/Friend or Foe quest and avoid the "Join me" option.

About your Aveline question, all that affects is a small dialogue change during the convo that takes place after the Way It Should Be. It's in the Investigate wheel with "You think you let Wesley down?" Whether it's more evil to take away her "rightful duty" or to force her to kill her love is up to you me thinks.

Here's one that isn't on the list but is a given:
-Let Anders kill Ella