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[Darth Death]

flipflopbop wrote...

Not gonna lie, I started with the 2nd game and worked my way backwards..Hell, if it wasn't for ME2, I wouldn't be looking like a total nerd at work for reading the novelization of ME..*shakes head* ME universe is a drug...MUST ESCAPE!!!

You & me both!

[DarthCaine]

Maybe because they'd like to sell more copies ?

[Irrepressible]

Malevolence65 wrote...

Irrepressible wrote...
How does that make sense? Where does making the game accessible to new players mean that there will be new squad members and new romances instead of spending more time on the already existing ones?

Mass Effect 2

Illogical argument. ME2 could of had new squad members and new romances for a variety of reasons, there is absolutely no evidence (or even logic if you read my earlier post, which you must of considering you've deleted the rest of it in the quote) that new squad members were added to ME2 to appease new fans.

You've linked them in your head just so you can moan and whine, when in reality there is no link there whatsoever.

Modifié par Irrepressible, 10 avril 2011 - 04:49 .

[KotOREffecT]

DarthCaine wrote...

Maybe because they'd like to sell more copies ?

Ding Ding Ding!.........

[Malevolence65]

Irrepressible wrote...

Malevolence65 wrote...

Irrepressible wrote...
How does that make sense? Where does making the game accessible to new players mean that there will be new squad members and new romances instead of spending more time on the already existing ones?

Mass Effect 2

Illogical argument. ME2 could of had new squad members and new romances for a variety of reasons, there is absolutely no evidence (or even logic if you read my earlier post, which you must of considering you've deleted the rest of it in the quote) that new squad members were added to ME2 to appease new fans.

You've linked them in your head just so you can moan and whine, when in reality there is no link there whatsoever.

Actually Bioware has said before that EA tells them to make games "stand alone" meaning that you don't have to play the previous games to know what's going on. That's proof.

[Epic777]

^^ link?

[javierabegazo]

KotOREffecT wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Maybe because they'd like to sell more copies ?

Ding Ding Ding!.........

I don't know why some people think that's a bad thing, I feel like some people think that they deserve their own personal game developer. Games are expensive to make, especially games like Mass Effect

[javierabegazo]

Epic777 wrote...

^^ link?

That have said that before, but more to the affect that people should feel that it's alright to jump in the trilogy when they can,  that they shouldn't need to do homework to find a game enjoyable, but at the same time, that it's much more rewarding playing the game and actualy carrying your own shepard through each

[AngryFrozenWater]

BW is a company and they do have mouths to feed. If the company cannot make a profit they won't live very long. I think it is a good idea to make sure gamers can access the trilogy for the first time. If I were BW I would also create a kind of cheap collector's edition for those people: A Trilogy Edition in which you get all 3 games. That allows people to enjoy the full story. Such bundles are common on Steam and are usually priced competitively.

[Pups_of_war_76]

I think we all expected this, so I see no point in becoming belligerent about it unless or until we start to see indications that the carryover content will be skimped on again, which shouldn't be the case.

At least this time they seem intent on putting in the beginning-of-game catch-up retroactive decision-making mechanic that they did for the PS3 version of ME2 and should've done with ME3, so there should be no inclination to "streamline" by divorcing the third game from the first two entirely.

[FobManX]

Lacan2 wrote...

As long as it doesn't negatively impact those of us who have, I don't care.

QFT 100%

As long as it doesn't affect those of us who have played through 1-2, why does it matter? Bioware makes more $, attracts new customers, and we still get a great game and great finish to an awesome trilogy. Win win win.

[Irrepressible]

Malevolence65 wrote...

Irrepressible wrote...

Malevolence65 wrote...

Irrepressible wrote...
How does that make sense? Where does making the game accessible to new players mean that there will be new squad members and new romances instead of spending more time on the already existing ones?

Mass Effect 2

Illogical argument. ME2 could of had new squad members and new romances for a variety of reasons, there is absolutely no evidence (or even logic if you read my earlier post, which you must of considering you've deleted the rest of it in the quote) that new squad members were added to ME2 to appease new fans.

You've linked them in your head just so you can moan and whine, when in reality there is no link there whatsoever.

Actually Bioware has said before that EA tells them to make games "stand alone" meaning that you don't have to play the previous games to know what's going on. That's proof.

Let me ask you one question...

Why would a game not be standalone if it featured returning characters? The fact that Tali and Garrus returned from ME1 to ME2 completely discounts your "proof".

ME2 would of still been playable as a standalone game if it feature the same cast as ME1, simply by the same means they'd done with Tali and Garrus. 

[Hobbes83]

Malevolence65 wrote...

Irrepressible wrote...
How does that make sense? Where does making the game accessible to new players mean that there will be new squad members and new romances instead of spending more time on the already existing ones?

Mass Effect 2

It happened in Mass effect 2 because they wanted the ME1 companions and LI in ME3. I dont think they are going to introduce a lot of new faces in ME3

You sure like to do wild guesses.

[javierabegazo]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

I think we all expected this, so I see no point in becoming belligerent about it unless or until we start to see indications that the carryover content will be skimped on again, which shouldn't be the case.
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This is ultlimately it.

[Jcski]

ME series is for everyone,,new costumers or veterans..I for myself started with ME:2 and got curious 'bout the whole ME Universe that I bought Mass Effect..maybe that's  BW and EA's target..to attract new costumers and have them going curious about everything that they'll but Me and Me 2..

still
ME trilogy Complete Edition would be nice.

[Malevolence65]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

I think we all expected this, so I see no point in becoming belligerent about it unless or until we start to see indications that the carryover content will be skimped on again, which shouldn't be the case

It was skimped on in Mass Effect 2, why would Mass Effect 3 be any different?

[Razagon]

That's really nice OP. That comment from Jarrett. I seem to remember the part at the end of that comment that ISN'T qouted here. You know THE PART WHERE HE SAYS ME3 ISN'T GOING TO PUNISH LOYAL FANS. But I guess removing sentences from context is more fun. I also remember one poster on forum which pretty much explained why the series needs to be open to new fans. In short words making the series closed to a certain group makes ME1 best of the bunch. If you can't get new fans the best thing you can do is keep them all. And the number can only drop from there.

[Pups_of_war_76]

Malevolence65 wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

I think we all expected this, so I see no point in becoming belligerent about it unless or until we start to see indications that the carryover content will be skimped on again, which shouldn't be the case

It was skimped on in Mass Effect 2, why would Mass Effect 3 be any different?

Because Casey Hudson is afraid that I will beat him up if it is not. 

[Razagon]

Here I'll post it for you because I'm sure it was an accident -.-

Our goal is to make sure that when you start playing ME3, you are brought into the story line in a way that the game will "make sense" - regardless of having played the DLCs or even ME1 or 2. Heck, even players of the past games may need a refresher depending on how long it will have been since they last played. We're looking into creative ways to do this. And no, that doesn't mean "it doesn't matter if you played the first two games or not" - there's no desire to invalidate loyalty to the series

[Centauri2002]

Why would they supply a comic that allows you to make the decisions from previous games if they're not going to carry those over? That's a waste of time and money on their part.

I don't mind if they make it accessible to new players, as long as Mass Effect 3 can stand alongside the other games and be considered part of the trilogy. I don't see BioWare ignoring all the work they put into the previous games, including the effort they made on the decision system, just to forget it all in the final game.

Why not make the game fun for new and old players alike?

[Supersomething]

Malevolence65 wrote...
It's ridiculous. Mass Effect is a story based series. Why does Bioware care about the people who don't play the entire series?

You're that upset about them catching players up on a single player Rpg eh?  My question is how exactly is it hurting your gameplay in anyway, and why should you even care?  Fact is that if they do this and some person who has never played ME1 or 2 decides to pick this one up, chances are pretty good they will go out and by the other 2.  That was how I got sucked into the franchise, was by picking up ME2 then purchasing ME1.

[Bungie.Net Sucks]

I really don't care; as long as it still appeases us ME fans since the beginning, I would never deny a fellow newb a few ints and some explantion. Would you like to play a game and be hopelessly confused as to the nature of the Reapers & the Citadel aliens? No? Didn't think so.

Fans of ME since the beginning = New fans, get over it

[LPPrince]

Talk about self entitlement.

Listen, I've been around on the forums for years. I've bought all the games, all the DLC's, some lithographs, some clothing.

I've spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on Bioware products.

Some of which is the ME series. I was there for ME1, was around before ME2, and will be here before ME3.

I've been around from the start, so let me tell you-

Get over it.

Bioware isn't stupid, no matter what any "I HATE THE POWERS THAT BE" forumite tells you.

Bioware isn't "catering" to anyone. If they were catering to new players of the series who started at the end with ME3, they'd remove all or most of the older characters, never have any references or appearances by them, start a brand new story, and ignore everything that happened previously.

Has that happened yet? No. And the possibility of them doing that is already invalidated by the Gameinformer article.

Bioware can make mistakes with their music, they can make mistakes with their level design, they can make mistakes with what they add(mining) and what they remove(Mako, inventory), and they can make fundamental mistakes like removing things that only needed to be fixed(Mako, inventory).

But they will NOT cater to new players. If they did that, the entire currently existing ME fanbase would be livid. It would be horrid business practice.

What they WILL do is find a nice balance. Leave some references to past events at the start(since we know the beginning of ME3 now, let me tell you that it is the PERFECT place to bring up past events) while constantly bringing back old characters and old events like its the end of the universe(which it might be, actually).

I would NOT want to come into this game a new player and not know what the hell is going on.

Sure, I could go out and buy ME1 and ME2. That would make sense. But there could be perfectly legitimate reasons as to why I don't go out and get them, which would keep me to ME3.

I'd want to understand it. Its Bioware's job to bring me up to speed, and then accept me into the lore like they've accepted everyone else.

If you don't want that, then I'm sorry, but your self entitlement will get you nowhere.

Bioware do what they do because THEY want to do it. Not because of a single person.

I could've shouted from the roof tops that I wanted a Tali romance till I was blue in the face, but if no one backed me up like they did years ago, it NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED.

Maria Caliban, know her? If she didn't express just how much she wanted a Garrus romance and didn't have people backing her up years ago, it NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED.

A single person cannot and will not affect the game unless there is a serious level of support for said opinion or plan.

Your opinion? As valid as my own. But I doubt you'll have many people here agreeing with you.

So try to understand the business side of things-

This is good for business. New players come in fresh and understanding, old players stay entrenched into the story.

More money that way. Money that goes to themselves, their families, their LIVES.

Don't start to get on Bioware's case for taking a route that gets them more money. It makes perfect sense for them to do so and there is no fault in them trying(unless it completely alienates the players).

And that's the KEY to it all-

Bioware will NOT alienate the players of the game. No matter who they are, no matter how long they've been playing.

Doesn't matter if you're a moderator from the community like Javier.

Doesn't matter if you're a forum veteran like myself.

Doesn't matter if you've been playing since November of 2007.

And it sure as HELL shouldn't matter if you started in the Holiday season of 2011.

So if this was a TL;DR moment for you, read this-

GET. OVER. IT.

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[javierabegazo]

Edited the beginning post since the OP felt it was necessary to cut out certain parts