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[Harpalyce]

I got into ME with ME2. It's just plain good storytelling to let players both old and new know who they are, where they are, and what's happening. And this is BioWare we're talking about. They won't slack off on the storytelling.

[LPPrince]

javierabegazo wrote...

Edited the beginning post since the OP felt it was necessary to cut out certain parts

Then there's that.

OP, don't try to be slick. Excluding a sentence that directly invalidates your entire argument is just............

No.

[marshalleck]

I don't remember Luke being killed and resurrected in Empire Strikes Back, nor were the supporting characters shuffled off screen and the main plot threads from the first movie weren't reset.

Mass Effect could have been something awesome, but with the change of direction in the opening of ME2 it will only ever be good.

[marshalleck]

LPPrince wrote...

Talk about self entitlement.

Listen, I've been around on the forums for years. I've bought all the games, all the DLC's, some lithographs, some clothing.

I've spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on Bioware products.

Clearly you are an objective voice of reason we should all listen to. 

[Centauri2002]

Clearly, because Mass Effect is nothing like Star Wars means it can't be awesome. Poor Shepard never stood a chance.

[marshalleck]

centauri2002 wrote...

Clearly, because Mass Effect is nothing like Star Wars means it can't be awesome. Poor Shepard never stood a chance.

In terms of how the narrative unfolded over the course of three separate installments, this is absolutely correct despite it being an attempt at sarcasm. 

Same holds true for Lord of the Rings if you prefer. Hell, even Harry ****ing Potter doesn't have to reset the continuity in order to deliver a sequel. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 10 avril 2011 - 06:11 .

[Bungie.Net Sucks]

marshalleck wrote...

I don't remember Luke being killed and resurrected in Empire Strikes Back, nor were the supporting characters shuffled off screen and the main plot threads from the first movie weren't reset.

Mass Effect could have been something awesome, but with the change of direction in the opening of ME2 it will only ever be good.

I'm sorry, but that is totally wrong.

Almost every character in the first game of any importance was in the second someway.

The main plot points of ME1 were shuffled to the side because of ME2's taking priority, even then they are manifest in the game.

And finally, ME2's opening really ruined me emotionally since I had just finished ME1 for the 20th time before it, and I was like "NNNNOOOOO!!!". The beginning started eriee, got bad, got worse, and then got terrible (emotion-wise).

Sorry, complete disagreement.

[LPPrince]

marshalleck wrote...

Clearly you are an objective voice of reason we should all listen to. 

I take it you only read up to that point and then decided it was TL;DR?

Because in that case, you took it WAAAAAAAAY out of context and for God knows what reason think I'm on some crusade to represent every last member of the community.

Or maybe just think I'm patting my ego, in which case you'd be wrong again. Just read the whole thing, dude.

[Centauri2002]

marshalleck wrote...

In terms of how the narrative unfolded over the course of three separate installments, this is absolutely correct despite it being an attempt at sarcasm. 

Same holds true for Lord of the Rings if you prefer. Hell, even Harry ****ing Potter doesn't have to reset the continuity in order to deliver a sequel. 

But, then, I would class only one of those as a good trilogy. Or even having a good story. 

It's all a matter of opinion, really.

At least wait until a trilogy is finished until judging how good said trilogy is. Also, I'd like to point out those were all different mediums. Mass Effect is a game. Different kettle of fish entirely.

[Slayer299]

I can understand BW not wanting to miss out on possible buyers and money for ME3. What makes no sense to me is in an interview with the doctors they say how 'this is the best place to start the series'. That left me shaking my head and going "huh?", as how is the end of a trilogy the best place to start?

[LPPrince]

Slayer299 wrote...

I can understand BW not wanting to miss out on possible buyers and money for ME3. What makes no sense to me is in an interview with the doctors they say how 'this is the best place to start the series'. That left me shaking my head and going "huh?", as how is the end of a trilogy the best place to start?

That would leave me puzzled as well if I didn't already know its just marketing speak.

[Someone With Mass]

It's like starting the Lord of the Rings trilogy by watching Return of the King first. It'd make no goddamn sense.

Sure, they can start at ME3, but they shouldn't get any special treatment because of it.

Because then you're just pissing on the fans that have been following the trilogy from the very start.

[marshalleck]

LPPrince wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

I can understand BW not wanting to miss out on possible buyers and money for ME3. What makes no sense to me is in an interview with the doctors they say how 'this is the best place to start the series'. That left me shaking my head and going "huh?", as how is the end of a trilogy the best place to start?

That would leave me puzzled as well if I didn't already know its just marketing speak.

Is it? I'm pretty sure the good doctors are drinking their own kool-aid at this point. 

[Centauri2002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's like starting the Lord of the Rings trilogy by watching Return of the King first. It'd make no goddamn sense.

Sure, they can start at ME3, but they shouldn't get any special treatment because of it.

Because then you're just pissing on the fans that have been following the trilogy from the very start.

Would it? It'd only be "pissing on the fans" if they changed the story or gameplay because of the newer players. All they're doing is adding a comic. How does that affect the rest of us?

[Merchant2006]

I love these forums. The moment the grubby little fans get their small bit of meagre information that is literally 0.1% of what we shall receive in the future then their buttocks bounce off the walls like a ping pong ball in rage.

Gotta love the passion that comes with being an arrogant self entitled BioWare fan.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Easy answer money though they'll claim accessibility if a player picks up a multiseries game and wants to learn about what happened in the beginning they'll buy the first game make it too accessible and there is no point in buying the first game or games to figure out how it all came to be. It's like starting a book midway and still getting who is who sure they have names and you eventually will get an idea of their personalities but to become really close to the main character you need to read that book from page 1.

[Walker White]

ME2 added players to ME1. Look at how sales in ME1 were flat in 2010, and then grew again when ME2 came out. Many of those people were probably those who played ME2, liked it, and gave ME1 a shot.

That is what you want to happen with ME3. You want to give them a good experience so that they are willing to try the others in the series.

[Hobbes83]

Why introduce the series to new fans is pissing off those who had been there from the begining?

You cant compare a movie or a book to a game where you really get the opportunity to make choices that affect the entire story.

It surprises me that the Bioware forums is where I've seen more irrational hatred against bioware

[Notanything]

Ridiculous, but necessary in today's game market. With any luck, catering to newer players won't hinder older ones.

[Joshua Hawkeye]

Every bloody book does this.

[marshalleck]

Hobbes83 wrote...

Why introduce the series to new fans is pissing off those who had been there from the begining?

You cant compare a movie or a book to a game where you really get the opportunity to make choices that affect the entire story.

It surprises me that the Bioware forums is where I've seen more irrational hatred against bioware

I'm sorry, where did the bolded part happen? Surely you don't mean email. The biggest impact yet has been whether the Council in ME2 is willing to talk to Shepard or not, and either way it doesn't effect the rest of the game in any tangible way. 

[Rurik_Niall]

Deinonychus_Z wrote...

BioWare wants to make money, just like every other business out there.

The thing is, I would think you'd want to sell more copies of all three games, not just the newest one, you make more profit from someone buying Mass Effect, ME2, the story DLC, and ME3 plus any DLC than you do just from ME3 and any DLC alone.

[marshalleck]

Joshua Hawkeye wrote...

Every bloody book does this.

Not even close to true. In fact I can name one series of books right off the top of my head that is notorious for being complex and "inaccessible" (relatively speaking, when compared to Mass Effect): The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan. And his books have repeatedly been best sellers--the series isn't hurting for fans. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 10 avril 2011 - 06:58 .

[MrGone]

Malevolence65 wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...
Sure it may mean a dumb little tutorial and everything is a bit over explained

No, that's not it. There will be new squad members and romances instead of spending more time on the already existing ones. That's why I don't like it.

I find this logic hilarious.

Really?

Because what, you haves some sort of social dysfunction against meeting new people you're against a percieved inadequacy that comes with BioWare "catering" to new players. That's your point?

Wow.

If this isn't trolling then I just feel sorry for you.

First off, I'm pretty sure the already confirmed members of the cast means that at least a few, IF NOT ALL, of the characters/relationships are coming back, but obviously you're worried that they're not the ones you chose otherwise it wouldn't bother you.

Gods above,  that's jumping to a conclusion with no evidence isn't it? In all liklihood, every possible surviving character is going to be in this game. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the only survivable characters I do not expect to see returning is possibly Kasumi and/or Zaeed. Mostly because they're DLC.

That's it.

So settle down. You just don't know enough yet.