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[TobiTobsen]

I have no Hawke hate. Just a dislike of the male Hawke. Why? Because the last time I heard him speak was after "he" raped my poor cousin Shianni.

Therefore in my canon there is a male warden and always a female Hawke.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 11 avril 2011 - 07:02 .

[Sabriana]

No hate, but apathy for Hawke. I don't hate her, she doesn't have a strong enough part anywhere to actually hate.

She is purely reactionary, cleaning up everyone else's messes that arise due to *their* choices.She's a lot like Elthina imo. She sees everything and everyone falling apart at the seams, but does nothing to even try and circumvent it. Even though she's risen to "power" she does nothing with said power.

Hawke, to me, is someone else's toy I get to play with for a while. The warden(s) are MY wardens.

[TheBlackBaron]

TobiTobsen wrote...

I have no Hawke hate. Just a dislike of the male Hawke. Why? Because the last time I heard him speak was after "he" raped my poor cousin Shianni.

Therefore in my canon there is a male warden and always a female Hawke.

I'm going to have to replay the CE Origin. Maybe it's just time, but I don't seem to hear any hint of Vaughn in Garrett's speech. 

[txgoldrush]

The Warden sucks.....

Some of the best RPGs had predeterined protagonists....Nameless One anyone? Owyn? JC and Alex Denton? Christof? Geralt of Rivia? and then we have Shepard who has six determined backgrounds.

I don't really like male Hawke...but lady Hawke is incredible. She just feels so human and part of the story. I like how she can't control the big events but her choices influences and impacts the lives she comes across. I think Aveline's quest "The Long Road" cements the decision to make Hawke vocal was the right one.

[TheBlackBaron]

txgoldrush wrote...
Some of the best RPGs had predeterined protagonists....Nameless One anyone? Owyn? JC and Alex Denton? Christof? Geralt of Rivia? and then we have Shepard who has six determined backgrounds.

And some of the best RPGs had blank slate characters. 

What's your point? 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 11 avril 2011 - 07:44 .

[txgoldrush]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Some of the best RPGs had predeterined protagonists....Nameless One anyone? Owyn? JC and Alex Denton? Christof? Geralt of Rivia? and then we have Shepard who has six determined backgrounds.

And some of the best RPGs had blank slate characters. 

What's your point? 

A story driven RPG does much better with them.

If it wasn't for the character of the Nameless One, Planescape Torment wouldn't be half as good.

[TobiTobsen]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

I have no Hawke hate. Just a dislike of the male Hawke. Why? Because the last time I heard him speak was after "he" raped my poor cousin Shianni.

Therefore in my canon there is a male warden and always a female Hawke.

I'm going to have to replay the CE Origin. Maybe it's just time, but I don't seem to hear any hint of Vaughn in Garrett's speech. 

Maybe it's just in my head. The VA is forever tainted, at least in my book

[TheBlackBaron]

txgoldrush wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Some of the best RPGs had predeterined protagonists....Nameless One anyone? Owyn? JC and Alex Denton? Christof? Geralt of Rivia? and then we have Shepard who has six determined backgrounds.

And some of the best RPGs had blank slate characters. 

What's your point? 

A story driven RPG does much better with them.

If it wasn't for the character of the Nameless One, Planescape Torment wouldn't be half as good.

KotOR II was also a very story driven game, and the Exile was a blank slate by RPG standards. 

Heck, the various Fallout games have been fairly story driven, and they've made a tradition out of having some of the blankest slates ever as PCs.

Planescape Torment is a great game, to be sure, but the idea that you have to have a predetermined protaganist to do a story driven RPG well is ludicrous. 

[TheBlackBaron]

TobiTobsen wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

I have no Hawke hate. Just a dislike of the male Hawke. Why? Because the last time I heard him speak was after "he" raped my poor cousin Shianni.

Therefore in my canon there is a male warden and always a female Hawke.

I'm going to have to replay the CE Origin. Maybe it's just time, but I don't seem to hear any hint of Vaughn in Garrett's speech. 

Maybe it's just in my head. The VA is forever tainted, at least in my book

Well, it's definitely not just you, as I've heard other people say the same thing. M!Hawke is tained for me by virtue of not having FemHawke's pure ear sex of a voice. 

And because Boulton didn't record all of his lines for Hawke in the same voice he used for Xenon the Antiquarian. 

[Loc'n'lol]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
And because Boulton didn't record all of his lines for Hawke in the same voice he used for Xenon the Antiquarian. 

Ugh... game length instantly increased three times.

[Danjaru]

Don't hate Hawke.. Just don't like him/her either. Very "meh" about the character.

With my Shepard and my Warden, I couldn't wait for DLC's to continue their story and the awesomeness of their games. With Hawke, not so much, I actually pray that they'll have a new protagonist in the next game and bring back origin stories.

He was a sub-par character in a sub-par game. Nothing to really get attached to.

Part of it might've been that Hawke felt so much like Biowares character and not one you could form, even more so that Shepard.

Modifié par Danjaru, 11 avril 2011 - 08:13 .

[TheBlackBaron]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...
And because Boulton didn't record all of his lines for Hawke in the same voice he used for Xenon the Antiquarian. 

Ugh... game length instantly increased three times.

Oh, but would it ever be worth it. 

[txgoldrush]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Some of the best RPGs had predeterined protagonists....Nameless One anyone? Owyn? JC and Alex Denton? Christof? Geralt of Rivia? and then we have Shepard who has six determined backgrounds.

And some of the best RPGs had blank slate characters. 

What's your point? 

A story driven RPG does much better with them.

If it wasn't for the character of the Nameless One, Planescape Torment wouldn't be half as good.

KotOR II was also a very story driven game, and the Exile was a blank slate by RPG standards. 

Heck, the various Fallout games have been fairly story driven, and they've made a tradition out of having some of the blankest slates ever as PCs.

Planescape Torment is a great game, to be sure, but the idea that you have to have a predetermined protaganist to do a story driven RPG well is ludicrous. 

KOTOR and KOTOR II characters were not really blank slates, they had predefined pasts.

[Danjaru]

txgoldrush wrote...

KOTOR and KOTOR II characters were not really blank slates, they had predefined pasts.

So did all the DA:O Origin stories, Shepard, Fallout, Oblivion (to a degree). And most RPGs have a predefined past. But their past didn't keep hanging around and they all felt like blank slates at least. (well, shepard is arguable).

Modifié par Danjaru, 11 avril 2011 - 08:25 .

[GodWood]

Yeah I'll admit I'm not Hawke's biggest fan.

ManHawke: Sure his VO was decent and he would occasionally get a good chuckle out of me but I could never get over the fact that he didn't feel like my character, he was Bioware's character and I honestly don't like him that much.

FemHawke: I must say I really, really hated FemHawke. Her voice and the way she delivered all her lines was just soo, ugh. I honestly couldn't even get past Act II with her.

Modifié par GodWood, 11 avril 2011 - 08:37 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Danjaru wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

KOTOR and KOTOR II characters were not really blank slates, they had predefined pasts.

So did all the DA:O Origin stories, Shepard, Fallout, Oblivion (to a degree). And most RPGs have a predefined past. But their past didn't keep hanging around and they all felt like blank slates at least. (well, shepard is arguable).

This, pretty much. You're almost always going to have a predefined past - in the case of cRPGs, that alone is not enough to declare that a character is predetermined like Hawke or Shepard is.

About the only game I can think of that matches the sort of absolute freedom you might get with PnP games is the Elder Scrolls. 

[Chaota Vos]

theauthority wrote...

the Warden actually struggles to achieve the greater good, Hawke is a pawn, nothing more.

I think Authority hit the nail on the head as to why I dislike Hawke as a main character.  S/he essentially spends the entire game as the pawn or patsy for someone's goal.  Almost every major non-companion quest (Isabella and Anders aside) ends in Hawke getting shafted or figuring out s/he's been manipulated into doing something sinister or ill-natured.  Rarely does any "greater good" come from your actions, unless you count slaughtering the bad guy of the quest.

All and all, Hawke would make a pretty decent companion character, or as a main character in a non-interactive medium such as a novel or anime.  But as a protaganist I find him a bit too...lacklustre to like.

[SilentK]

I love my F!Hawke to bits and I feel very close to all 4 of them =) Hmm... I get a different feeling for all of them but what I'm really interested in is how the things happening in Kirkwall are affecting the outside world. Why, when you are in the end of Act 2 fighting your way towards the keep are the wardens you meet there not joining you. Believe that they say there are bigger things going on and my Hawkes so far pretty much feelt "are you mad!". I don't feel that my warden had more influence than my Hawke. The warden had to get those armies, everytime I trudged towards the forrest I wanted to ask if we just couldn't fight the archdemon with the 3 current armies. Must we get one more. So my warden got her 4 armies and then killed the archdemon. I feelt much more for my Hawke which probably has a lot to do with her being voiced. Got a diplomatic mage, snarky mage and jerk warrior. I don't only use that specific voice option all the time. Just enough so that they keep their tone. I like it that it changes the dialouges =)

I want to continue with my Hawke. See how she takes it meeting the outside world. The Hawkes I have sofar sees themselves as someone just caught up in the middle of it all but the world outside might believe differently. I want to see how she goes forward from this. Was the final fight something that motivated her to take a greater part in the world. Or will she try to lay low and figure out what just happened. How will she go forward if the world outside sees her as the reason that Kirkwall went down? Hmm... I hope that we get to continue with Hawke =)

[Sabariel]

TobiTobsen wrote...

I have no Hawke hate. Just a dislike of the male Hawke. Why? Because the last time I heard him speak was after "he" raped my poor cousin Shianni.

Therefore in my canon there is a male warden and always a female Hawke.

Man Hawke and Merrill's romance has just become 10x creepier. Thanks for that

Modifié par Sabariel, 11 avril 2011 - 09:10 .

[TheChosenKing]

 I actually liked Hawke pretty well, and DA:II was a good game for what it was worth. However, I just don't think Hawke is as good of a character as the Warden, so I'm not as attached. Like it's already been said before, you're just playing a set character in DA:2, whereas you made your own story in Origins, and I think that really makes him less likable. Also, I'm personally not a fan of the Dialogue Wheel/Voice Over. I use to be able to imagine my own voice for my character, but now I'm stuck with a preset one that I can't control, even if I don't like it.

The set background, the voice over, the dialogue wheel, they all work for me in Mass Effect and I have no problem with them there. However, when they start take over Dragon Age, that's when it gets annoying.

[Morroian]

TheChosenKing wrote...

 I actually liked Hawke pretty well, and DA:II was a good game for what it was worth. However, I just don't think Hawke is as good of a character as the Warden, so I'm not as attached. Like it's already been said before, you're just playing a set character in DA:2, whereas you made your own story in Origins, 

And also like its been said before no you didn't, you simply chose from 6 preset backgrounds instead of 1. Have you tried playing a a human commoner? No, and thats because you can't.

[Morroian]

Sabriana wrote...

No hate, but apathy for Hawke. I don't hate her, she doesn't have a strong enough part anywhere to actually hate.

She is purely reactionary, cleaning up everyone else's messes that arise due to *their* choices.She's a lot like Elthina imo. She sees everything and everyone falling apart at the seams, but does nothing to even try and circumvent it. Even though she's risen to "power" she does nothing with said power.

Rise to Power is something of a misnomer, s/he doesn't have the political power to influence the templars in the game until the very end. As others have said s/he could do more to gain that sort of power but OTOH she doesn't totally sit around doing nothing like Elthina, she does try to get Meredith/Orsino to see sense, she explores options for becoming Viscount. I've postulated before that although Meredith is seen to be more and more unreasonable its arguable that its only by the time of Act 3 that it becomes untenable. The escalation in Act 3 is rapid and then Anders essentially removes the chance for Hawke to do much of anything. 

[Annie_Dear]

Hawke is my Champion.