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mathewgurney

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Dissapointed with Dragon Age Image IPB

Why so much hype and acclaim for a game that is underwhelming at best ? No new ground has been broken with this title, it's a poorly done rehash of tired old material regurgitated hastily simply to profit from jaded, nostalgic fanboys/girls.

Roleplaying games are in my opinion, the most rewarding type of game with massive potential for immersive free-world exploration, character development and storyline. They are also the type of game next to shooters that i have played most of in my time as a gamer both single player and MMO, so i consider myself somewhat of a gourmet, able to judge finely between them. Unfortuately Dragon Age plays like a Disney movie spin-off designed for 5-10 year olds "including the violence and sexual suggestion which IMO are too dumbed down to warrant an 18 rating" 

Let's use Oblivion on the Xbox360 as a comparison, although flawed it is one of the best excecutions of a this-gen RPG and equalises most console vs PC and market type vs hardware arguments.

World and Camera

Oblivion is a massive free-roam, open world experience that can be played in either first person or in a zoomable third person camera.

Dragon Age is a closed linear environment where characters move between insular, locked-boundary zones at particular points in the storyline while observing only through an unzoomable third-person camera.

Race and class


Oblivion has 8 starting races and the option to build a character however the player chooses using all or none of the skills available. 

Dragon Age has the tired and unimaginative traditional 3 races, 3 preset job classes and is designed around an inflexible, cookie cutter level-up system with minor later sub-specializations.  Also the stats used to build a character are badly designed, not interacting properly and we are still waiting for a patch to fix this two weeks after release.

Loot


In Oblivion loot is not only found on NPCs but also hidden in a huge amount of containers and placed in the world in the form of  freely growing plants, food on tables and other realistic placements providing massive variety and a challenge to find. 

In Dragon Age no loot  is placed directly in the environment, plants and containers are at a frequency of maybe 1% the amount found in Oblivion and all loot is marked with large glowing graphical sparkles removing all immersion and difficulty of aquisition involved in the RPG loot-finding process.

Combat and Movement

In Oblivion combat can be conducted in either of the above-mentioned camera modes, enemies can be engaged or disengaged from at will, attacks, jumps and stealth are in real-time and caused physically by the player hitting buttons.

In Dragon Age enemies automatically engage with no option to disengage, attacks occur automatically with no option for the player to influence accuracy via controller skill, there is no jump function, stealth is so badly implemented as to be almost useless. Combat immersion is weak due to a poor control system interspersed with pauses, AI failures and the familiar huge glowing retard-proof targets around enemies.

Summary


In summary only in one area does Dragon Age come close to equalling Oblivion and that is in terms of the characters a player meets and the storyline that evolves through interaction with them, this factor is impossible to quantify due to personal preferences but is one facet that in my opinion Bioware does do well.

Admittedly these two games do have one large difference and that is in the system of permanent accompanying party characters, Dragon Age has to be said to be superior in this regard simply due to the fact that it contains them while Oblivion does not "without quest exploiting" but i feel the party system and the way the classes interact is so badly implemented in DA:O that it is not a benefit.

Reasoning

I originally conceived this essay simply as an excercise to put my thoughts in order and justify to myself whether i even wanted to continue playing Dragon Age or just take it back to the shop and get back to Oblivion which even after several playthroughs still entertains me greatly.  Obtusely enough im actually going to keep playing Dragon Age for a while because even with all its flaws there is just enough in terms of action gameplay and more than enough storyline to keep me interested.  If this was back in the day when i played KOTOR "Kreia is still the best video game character i've ever encountered"  then the combat and exploration simplicity, glitched quests, simplistic stat system and graphical failings wouldn't have bothered me so much because they were the best on offer but in this day and age i expected a lot more polish from a company with such a track record.

Disclaimer


Posting this essay here is more an opportunity for me to vent frustration than anything else but maybe some replies will help me see aspects of this game in a more favourable light though i doubt it because i'm a stubborn, opinionated bastard. Please don't bother replying if it's only to flame or roleplay a grammar enforcer from the DICtion universe as after years on MMO forums i'm immune to it all although i'm betting someone will in which case i'll hack your system and send a intercontinental anthrax missile redirected thru pentagon central command to incinerate and disease your entire locale you pathetic little turd burglar, thankyou.

Yours sincerely
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PS: Why does internet always have problem just as i hit the "submit" button lol ? Had to copy/paste, reassemble and hastily re-write portions so full appreciation of my post may not be possible, please send donations for new router to babyjesusatemymodem@crapnet.com

Edit: Spacing, stupid website >.<

Modifié par mathewgurney, 18 novembre 2009 - 08:02 .


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Ekyri

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Why are you comparing Dragon Age to Oblivion? Two completely different games.

Edit: hah, teaches me to not read further than the first lines :P

Modifié par Ekyri, 18 novembre 2009 - 06:45 .


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rebel11983

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I disagree, but well thought out and intelligent post. I personally can't stand anything about Oblivion, and prefer just about everything Dragon Age does better. Different strokes for different folks I 'spose.

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mathewgurney wrote...

Troll Image IPB 


I knew it, I knew it !... Well played, sir. :P

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BluesMan1956

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rebel11983 wrote...

I disagree, but well thought out and intelligent post. I personally can't stand anything about Oblivion, and prefer just about everything Dragon Age does better. Different strokes for different folks I 'spose.

Hey!  Subjectivism!  What a concept.
You mean there is more than just MY OPINION?  After so many posts on this site, I was beginning to wonder!
 

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Oblivion and DA are different types of games. Oblivion is a sandbox game that offers true opportunities for roleplaying. You can make up your own story. DA is an RPG-lite that basically has you playing a role in an interactive movie. I much prefer the first type of game, but still enjoy DA. You have to go in with the right expectations. If you're expecting a game that'll offer roleplaying and exploration on the scale of Oblivion, you'll be disappointed.

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BluesMan1956 wrote...

Hey!  Subjectivism!  What a concept.
You mean there is more than just MY OPINION?  After so many posts on this site, I was beginning to wonder!
 


Well you know, this IS the "Have it your way!" generation.  Seems to me that there was a time when people just didn't buy the product, or if they already had they returned it, if they didn't like it.   But I am a mellow guy...so maybe its just some inner hippie in me that screams "Can't we all just get along!?!?!?!"

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In Oblivion you can go anywhere and do anything you like, and none of it means a damn thing.

Oblivion is the single-player MMO.

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Here we go again, the eternal "Why isn't DA:O a generic sandbox rpg with no real purpose and a story that is so criminally short and uninspiring it would have killed even superman." discussion.



Ok, let me summarize this quickly for you all.



They're two different games, one focuses on open world exploration, while the other focuses on a good intricate story with deep likable and not so likable characters you can relate too.



And the only thing we can agree on is that we disagree.



There, I just saved us all a 50 page discussion on a already done to death topic that serves absolutely no purpose.



Move right along, nothing to see here.

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NetBeansAndJava

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Haha, nice. Reminds me of the giantbomb trailer. "Do /dance... type 'lfg'... Why isn't this a different game?"

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cool story, bro

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Denlath Vestor

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mathewgurney wrote...
Yours sincerely
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[foreheadslap]

Can't believe I read the whole damn thing!

Hats off to you, mathewgurney!

Effort = 10
Originality = 5
Quality = 9
Overall = 12Image IPB

Modifié par Denlath Vestor, 18 novembre 2009 - 06:58 .


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Denlath Vestor

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SheffSteel wrote...
Oblivion is the single-player MMO.

LOVE it!

Totally contradictory in its basic sense, but a perfect description!

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BluesMan1956

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Denlath Vestor wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...
Oblivion is the single-player MMO.

LOVE it!

Totally contradictory in its basic sense, but a perfect description!

Never really played an MMO, but I can dig it.
Now on a totally unrelated topic, how many of you invested any money in time in that marvelous game herladed to be "Oblivion on steroids" - Two Worlds!

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Nicely done ... serves some of us right for reading the first paragraphs and then writing an answer.

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Terwox_

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BluesMan1956 wrote...

Denlath Vestor wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...
Oblivion is the single-player MMO.

LOVE it!

Totally contradictory in its basic sense, but a perfect description!

Never really played an MMO, but I can dig it.
Now on a totally unrelated topic, how many of you invested any money in time in that marvelous game herladed to be "Oblivion on steroids" - Two Worlds!


Tried it, several times. And everytime I felt so uninspired I had to call the suicide line to stop me from killing myself. Needless to say its no longer in my "possession"

Modifié par Terwox_, 18 novembre 2009 - 07:03 .


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BluesMan1956

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Terwox_ wrote...

BluesMan1956 wrote...

Denlath Vestor wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...
Oblivion is the single-player MMO.

LOVE it!

Totally contradictory in its basic sense, but a perfect description!

Never really played an MMO, but I can dig it.
Now on a totally unrelated topic, how many of you invested any money in time in that marvelous game herladed to be "Oblivion on steroids" - Two Worlds!


Tried it, several times. And everytime I felt so uninspired I had to call the suicide line to stop me from killing myself. Needless to say its no longer in my "possession"

I loved it!  The voice acting was sooooo terrible!  You attempt to pick a lock with someone watching and the entire villiage starts running for their lives, screaming "Ye gods!"

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Why can't they make chess be more like Oblivion?

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BluesMan1956

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Elwoodw wrote...

Why can't they make chess be more like Oblivion?

What, before combat the bishop attempts to gain favor with the pawn it is attempting to capture thru persuasion?

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Now on a totally unrelated topic, how many of you invested any money in time in that marvelous game herladed to be "Oblivion on steroids" - Two Worlds!

lol. I did. I actually saw enough promise in it that I'll probably take a look at Two Worlds 2. Then I'll decide if I'm a masochist.

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Well played, sir.

Also, Morrowind > Oblivion.

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From what I've been reading so far of the essay it seems like this guy is playing the wrong game. He should be playing Oblivion instead.

You have shown no appreciation for the amount of voice dialogue(the amount of assets are amazing!), the writing, the weight of decisions a player makes that affect an outcome and come into this game talking about 'skill' in an action game kind of sense...it really seems to me like this guy started watching a porno and is pissed off that is has no story line.

I could knock down every single one of your oblivion 'features' but let's just save ourselves some time. Oblivion was great. It has an 'open' world where npc's are standing around talk to me posts that show about as much emotion and convey conversation as much as a post as you pick through your list of generic 'ask about' things. The only hint of anything 'like' bioware's style is the events such as the troll under the bridge event or the mage falling out of the sky which you later learn is due to a jump spell gone awry. That's Bioware. They don't make a world full of boring they make a world full of life. That's the difference between your open world games and games like Dragon Age and its predecessors.

Modifié par Exodus, 18 novembre 2009 - 07:17 .


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Oh look another whiner.



Aye we get alot of ye sort mr Whine.


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Tbh, I liked Oblivion a helluva lot more. Then again Oblivion is a 7/10 due to mods in my book. In comparison from my attempts to like Two Worlds I'd give it a 4 at best. In comparison I'd give Fallout 3 an 8, now most off the bugs and faults are either patched out or modded out. Morrowind a strong 7 for the same reason. And DA currently leads with a slightly wobbly 9.



To put it into context. anything below 5 are games I'd need serious convincing to play other than to evaluate the game. 7 and up are games I'd consider good. 9 is a must have. 10 doesn't exist in my personal opinion, since there will always be something in any game that irritates me at the very least.

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jynthor wrote...

Oh look another whiner.

Aye we get alot of ye sort mr Whine.

The proper reparte' is:
"Do you want some cheese to go with that whine?"