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[Torax]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

You might not disagree with that but most gamers would be far more uncomfortable having to kill children in the Annulment.

Let them all play through Little Lamplight in Fallout 3 beforehand.
I guarantee you nobody will have a problem after that.

I played that game for 80 hours and never found Little Lamplight. :/

"WOOFF-RAAAWR-RUFF!!!" (Translation: YOU NO TAKE CANDLE!!!)

[RavenB]

The Angry One wrote...

RavenB wrote...

Pretty sure he turns into a desire demon just like the little girl turns into "Kitty" the desire demon if you kill her during Shale's quest.

No, afterwards he's in human form and you can either kill him or have Isolde do it.

Oh, you're right, I remember now. I killed him once in a play through a long time ago, but I forgot how it went. I remember Kitty. XD

[Maria Caliban]

Ryzaki wrote...

You...are a very confusing person you know that?

I never played the CE origin all the way through and DA:O came out quite a long time ago. I remember Vaughan kidnapping the women 'for a party.'

If you say that the rape was explicitly mentioned, I believe you.

[Conduit0]

The Angry One wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

You might not disagree with that but most gamers would be far more uncomfortable having to kill children in the Annulment.

Let them all play through Little Lamplight in Fallout 3 beforehand.
I guarantee you nobody will have a problem after that.

Or just have them watch Village of the Damed.

[Maria Caliban]

bleetman wrote...

Not that I don't assume annulment applies to children as much as adults, but I do wish people would stop bandying the word "fact" around. It really isnt that clearly established. If it was, there'd be no need for this topic. All we have are assumptions.

Indeed.

It's possible they're normally spared.

It's possible that they're not normally spared but as the Champion is leading the Annulment, they are spared.

And if they're are killed, I was hoping for one of the writers to talk about why that wasn't included in the narrative of the game.

[Torax]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You...are a very confusing person you know that?

I never played the CE origin all the way through and DA:O came out quite a long time ago. I remember Vaughan kidnapping the women 'for a party.'

If you say that the rape was explicitly mentioned, I believe you.

It's heavily implied. The cousin Shiani is on the floor huddled and crying. The other women are scared. I think it was something like Vaughn replying how they had their fun with her. I don't remember they openly calling it rape. Gutting Vaughn is totally worth it though.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Angry One wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

You might not disagree with that but most gamers would be far more uncomfortable having to kill children in the Annulment.

Let them all play through Little Lamplight in Fallout 3 beforehand.
I guarantee you nobody will have a problem after that.

Oh dear god! I had happily forgotten about that place

[Emperor Iaius I]

Torax: No, it's firmly established. As somebody said earlier, the CE Warden has lines that specify that Shiani was, in fact, raped.

Modifié par Emperor Iaius I, 10 avril 2011 - 11:35 .

[Conduit0]

Torax wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You...are a very confusing person you know that?

I never played the CE origin all the way through and DA:O came out quite a long time ago. I remember Vaughan kidnapping the women 'for a party.'

If you say that the rape was explicitly mentioned, I believe you.

It's heavily implied. The cousin Shiani is on the floor huddled and crying. The other women are scared. I think it was something like Vaughn replying how they had their fun with her. I don't remember they openly calling it rape. Gutting Vaughn is totally worth it though.

Well ofcourse Vaughn wouldn't call it rape, that would imply he did something wrong. As far as he was concerned its his right to do with the elves as he pleases.

[Rifneno]

Torax wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You...are a very confusing person you know that?

I never played the CE origin all the way through and DA:O came out quite a long time ago. I remember Vaughan kidnapping the women 'for a party.'

If you say that the rape was explicitly mentioned, I believe you.

It's heavily implied. The cousin Shiani is on the floor huddled and crying. The other women are scared. I think it was something like Vaughn replying how they had their fun with her. I don't remember they openly calling it rape. Gutting Vaughn is totally worth it though.

There's an option when you get to Ostagar.  Usualy Cailin, "Hail, a grey warden!  OMG teh superheroes!  Can I have your autograph?  How'd you get to be a grey warden?"  One of the CE's answers is a very blunt "I killed an arl's son for raping my cousin."  Cailin is mortified.  lulz for all involved.

[caradoc2000]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

As somebody said earlier, the CE Warden has lines that specify that Shiani was, in fact, raped.

Yes, but how would the CE warden know? He/she isn't present and comes in to find Shianni on the floor. The warden just assumes Shianni was raped.

[Torax]

Conduit0 wrote...

Torax wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You...are a very confusing person you know that?

I never played the CE origin all the way through and DA:O came out quite a long time ago. I remember Vaughan kidnapping the women 'for a party.'

If you say that the rape was explicitly mentioned, I believe you.

It's heavily implied. The cousin Shiani is on the floor huddled and crying. The other women are scared. I think it was something like Vaughn replying how they had their fun with her. I don't remember they openly calling it rape. Gutting Vaughn is totally worth it though.

Well ofcourse Vaughn wouldn't call it rape, that would imply he did something wrong. As far as he was concerned its his right to do with the elves as he pleases.

No doubt. Just saying I don't remember the game using rape as a bullet word is all I'm saying. Which what a lot have used to add emotion to things in the threads. Like genocide, child killers and so on. It is an attempt to weight to the topic but overall discussion of it goes no where. If I don't witness the death of children it's only speculation on both parts. Speculation on side to say all children were slaughter. Where another could say they spared. No proof either way.

[The Angry One]

See that's why I could never let Vaughn live with a city elf, and missed out on potential fun later.
I mean come on, either I kill him or he rapes my cousin for the day? I don't care if she's my worst enemy, off with his head!

[The Angry One]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

As somebody said earlier, the CE Warden has lines that specify that Shiani was, in fact, raped.

Yes, but how would the CE warden know? He/she isn't present and comes in to find Shianni on the floor. The warden just assumes Shianni was raped.

Well let's see, she's lying on the floor in hysterics while 3 men who have already demonstrated their perverse nature leer over her.
Moreover a female CE while in the cellar has a line where she already expects this to happen, and nobody disagrees. It's probably well known what Vaughn gets up to.

[Torax]

As the Wiki states. It's implied that she is raped. You do get to tell the King in Ostagar that "I killed an Arl's son for raping my friend."

[AlexXIV]

The Angry One wrote...

See that's why I could never let Vaughn live with a city elf, and missed out on potential fun later.
I mean come on, either I kill him or he rapes my cousin for the day? I don't care if she's my worst enemy, off with his head!

I always kill Vaughn in any of my playthroughs. Well since I played the City Elf Origin anyway.

[blothulfur]

You mean Vaughn sings barry manilow at them don't you, the horror.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seeing how a possessed child is as dangerous as any adult, I'd be surprised if they didn't kill them in an annulment.

[Rifneno]

The Angry One wrote...

See that's why I could never let Vaughn live with a city elf, and missed out on potential fun later.
I mean come on, either I kill him or he rapes my cousin for the day? I don't care if she's my worst enemy, off with his head!

This.

Also, I can't believe we're debating the CE origin.  Really, people?  What "fun" do you think he meant?  He needed a 4th for poker night?  C'mon.

[bleetman]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Haha i didn't even now you COULD spare him. not that I'll ever try

You can accept his bribe (which is confiscated from you by the guards later), and he'll turn up alive in Howe's dungeon towards the end. The entire alienage disowns you, incidentally.

Modifié par bleetman, 10 avril 2011 - 11:49 .

[Torax]

You can accept the bribe but you have to stash the money in the dirt I think just as you leave or maybe it's a spot in the house. I've never done it. I just know it's how you keep the gold. I kill him each time.

[Ryzaki]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You...are a very confusing person you know that?

I never played the CE origin all the way through and DA:O came out quite a long time ago. I remember Vaughan kidnapping the women 'for a party.'

If you say that the rape was explicitly mentioned, I believe you.

Ah my bad. 

It's heavily suggested (pracitically beats you over the head with it to me) until you get to Ostagar where the CE warden can say it outright. 

[Emperor Iaius I]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

As somebody said earlier, the CE Warden has lines that specify that Shiani was, in fact, raped.

Yes, but how would the CE warden know? He/she isn't present and comes in to find Shianni on the floor. The warden just assumes Shianni was raped.

It seems a fairly reasonable assumption. I mean, it seems unlikely that the monster just wanted to tickle her and she had a mental breakdown because of it. Knowing what we do about Shianni, she's unlikely to have acted the way she did unless something did happen to her. She's not a fragile person.

More to the point, it's dramatic timing. Do you think the CE would have witnessed it without, I don't know, breaking his face?

[Maria Caliban]

Vaughn's rape of Shanni and BioWare's treatment of it is relevant because we know that they 1) are comfortable showing mature content, and 2) know how to bring it into the narrative without showing us the act.

Whether the CE can know for certain isn't that important. What matters is that the player understands the situation and is moved by it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 avril 2011 - 12:07 .