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[cedgedc]

As someone who is fully in favor video games not pulling their punches, and in favor of such games including content that is friendly to the gay community, I don't think it's necessary to jump down the OP's throat on this one.

If you were just idly pondering- 'Hey why didn't they have gay relationships in ME?' And you knew that this was the last title Shepard was in, assuming little shepards down the line isn't so far off.

That said, very simply- you can get it on with all manner of Asari, Quarian, humans (of different ethnicities) etc. In the case of Quarians.. I don't know what would happen. Asari only have Asari children though.

In short, Shepard and his legacy likely end with ME3. THey're not going to have you play shepard's offspring because.. frankly the number of things that offspring could be is just too great. I don't think any of my shepards have gotten it on with anything but aliens lol.

I just want to add however, that I have every confidence that ME3 will include romantic involvements for the gay community. I think DA2 took big steps forward in this respect and made the statement that Bioware has some balls, and they intend to show you their balls in future games.

They will literally show you their balls. Their metaphorical balls, that is.

[Perfecti0nist]

Hell no. Personally, I hate children and I don't want my Shepard to have them.

[Taritu]

Femshep is gay, all of Bioware's stuff about Asari not being female would be BS from the POV of humans. "Yes, I understand that in theory, but, ummm..." It's just that Liara's the only bi love interest.

[HunterX6]

this is a shooting and rpg game of a story about saving the galaxy, leave your personal w/e at home. Buy sims or dragon age games if you want to be a bi,gay,lesbian and such. Maybe in a future mass effect game they will inplant it but it just wont be in these series, I would honestly find it distubring and weird even if its hinted at me,idc if some are who they choose to be and like,I just wouldnt like it if its hinted at me that a guy like my character in a game, just move along with it, its gets annoying how some people keep posting the same crap everytime.

Modifié par HunterX6, 11 avril 2011 - 06:50 .

[TheZerby]

This is an RPG where girl lesbians are allow and to have it feel fair male gays should be given the same opportunities. Fable has had the ability to be gay since their first game and that was released years ago. Bioware had done it in DA now also so why can't it be done to ME? Oh because apparently gay can't be epic heroes? That kinda BS if anyone believes that. They are the same as normal people and should be treated as such and have the same choices as anyone.

[Siansonea]

I don't think the theory put forth in the original post is in any way accurate, or Casey and Ray would have trotted that out in one of their failtastic interviews on the subject.

[cedgedc]

TheZerby wrote...

This is an RPG where girl lesbians are allow and to have it feel fair male gays should be given the same opportunities. Fable has had the ability to be gay since their first game and that was released years ago. Bioware had done it in DA now also so why can't it be done to ME? Oh because apparently gay can't be epic heroes? That kinda BS if anyone believes that. They are the same as normal people and should be treated as such and have the same choices as anyone.

This man could use a grammar lesson, perhaps- but a lesson in social equality he does not!

+1

[cedgedc]

Taritu wrote...

Femshep is gay, all of Bioware's stuff about Asari not being female would be BS from the POV of humans. "Yes, I understand that in theory, but, ummm..." It's just that Liara's the only bi love interest.

I think Tali goes both ways in ME2, no? And Kelly does as well. There's a few bi love interests in ME2, and I expect there will be more in ME3.

[Inquisitor Recon]

With the exception of Fabulous-Shepard maybe Shepard just isn't gay?

Even if we operated under the assumption that the FemShep/Liara romance qualifies as hot lesbian action how does that entitle somebody to gay MaleShep?

This thread will attract David Gaider to this series and he will break ME3 and make everybody bisexual. But it has to be taken to the next level so Grunt will hit on MaleShep and won't take no for an answer.

[TheZerby]

I'm not asking them to pull off what they did in DA2 where they didn't even try to make a difference between the characters. As nice as it was in DA2 to have everyone available as bi it made all the character feel very flat in terms of romance. I'm not saying I want Grunt/Wrex to be gay because that's not part of their characters. I'm saying that some character I could understand being so like Thane or Kaiden. Even Jack admitted in her dialog in ME2 she was bi and yet fem-Shepard couldn't do anything which very disappointing because it feels liek a side of her character unacknowledged. I'm not saying to break characters for the sake of having male-Shep be able to be gay. I'm just asking for Bioware to think it through withs ome of the characters that could be considered maybe and allowing it.

[Siansonea]

ReconTeam wrote...

With the exception of Fabulous-Shepard maybe Shepard just isn't gay?

Even if we operated under the assumption that the FemShep/Liara romance qualifies as hot lesbian action how does that entitle somebody to gay MaleShep?

This thread will attract David Gaider to this series and he will break ME3 and make everybody bisexual. But it has to be taken to the next level so Grunt will hit on MaleShep and won't take no for an answer.

Too bad we can't take Manly Man Straight Overcompensating Douchebag Shepard out of the game. Why are you "entitled" to your Shepard, but other people aren't? You're not that special.

[Skilled Seeker]

Bioware had a gay back in Jade Empire. DA wasn't the first.

[cedgedc]

ReconTeam wrote...

With the exception of Fabulous-Shepard maybe Shepard just isn't gay?

Even if we operated under the assumption that the FemShep/Liara romance qualifies as hot lesbian action how does that entitle somebody to gay MaleShep?

This thread will attract David Gaider to this series and he will break ME3 and make everybody bisexual. But it has to be taken to the next level so Grunt will hit on MaleShep and won't take no for an answer.

Just because people are asking to be treated equally doesn't mean you should bring in all your dark ******-phobic nightmares into the equation. Having a 1 or 2 male, bi-sexual characters in ME3 doesn't mean that suddenly shepard can't drop the keys of the normandy, for fear of being sexually assaulted by some butch gay alien.

Gay players who want to be treated fairly aren't asking you to go gay, buddy.

TheZerby wrote...

I'm not asking them to pull off what
they did in DA2 where they didn't even try to make a difference between
the characters. As nice as it was in DA2 to have everyone available as
bi it made all the character feel very flat in terms of romance. I'm not
saying I want Grunt/Wrex to be gay because that's not part of their
characters. I'm saying that some character I could understand being so
like Thane or Kaiden. Even Jack admitted in her dialog in ME2 she was bi
and yet fem-Shepard couldn't do anything which very disappointing
because it feels liek a side of her character unacknowledged. I'm not
saying to break characters for the sake of having male-Shep be able to
be gay. I'm just asking for Bioware to think it through withs ome of the
characters that could be considered maybe and allowing it.

I agree. You put it very well. The characters come off as flat when you know that none of them have a realistic sexual preference. It takes away the realism. I mean people who are truly bi-sexual in reality are.. pretty rare.

I would find it more compelling if you simply have  some characters for the boys, some for the girls, and some who are gay. It becomes part of the fun to get to know the characters and see which ones are potential romance options, rather than knowing right off the bat that you can get with anyone.

But this isn't the 50's anymore. Let's treat people fairly. There's gay people in the world folks, and according to Mass Effect, they're in space too! Get over it!

[Inquisitor Recon]

Siansonea II wrote...
Too bad we can't take Manly Man Straight Overcompensating Douchebag Shepard out of the game. Why are you "entitled" to your Shepard, but other people aren't? You're not that special.

Ah... you're just as easy to provoke as me you know. Feel the hate flow through you...

cedgedc wrote...
Gay players who want to be treated fairly aren't asking you to go gay, buddy.

I fail to see how being "treated fairly" translates into "Bioware give me this content."

Modifié par ReconTeam, 11 avril 2011 - 08:30 .

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

With the exception of Fabulous-Shepard maybe Shepard just isn't gay?

Shepard can be defined in many ways by the player. Excluding that is trivial.

Even if we operated under the assumption that the FemShep/Liara romance qualifies as hot lesbian action how does that entitle somebody to gay MaleShep?

It is lesbian action. Asari are female, as clearly stated by the codex.

And no one is entitled to anything. It's just hypocrisy to say that a male shepard can't be gay when you have Liara, who is clearly defined as female by every human perception, all over FemShep and vice-versa.

This thread will attract David Gaider to this series and he will break ME3 and make everybody bisexual. But it has to be taken to the next level so Grunt will hit on MaleShep and won't take no for an answer.

How is that breaking ME3? Giving all people equal options isn't a bad thing. You don't have to agree with the way it would be done, but to say that it would ruin the game is nonsense.

And people who romanced Anders "accidentally" apparently didn't know what the glowing heart icon meant.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 11 avril 2011 - 08:43 .

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

I fail to see how being "treated fairly" translates into "Bioware give me this content."

We don't expect nor demand this content. We're upset at Bioware's comments on the matter.

If they simply said "We're not going to include such content, but you can roleplay Shepard as gay if you like."... most would have been perfectly happy. It's just hypocritical to say Shepard can't be gay when compared to FemShep.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 11 avril 2011 - 08:42 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Blacklash93 wrote...
If they simply said "We're not going to include such content, but you can roleplay Shepard as gay if you like."... most would have been perfectly happy. It's just hypocritical to say Shepard can't be gay when compared to FemShep.

So why can't "It isn't gay if it's an asari" apply?
Or Shepard could just be a xenophile.

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
If they simply said "We're not going to include such content, but you can roleplay Shepard as gay if you like."... most would have been perfectly happy. It's just hypocritical to say Shepard can't be gay when compared to FemShep.

So why can't "It isn't gay if it's an asari" apply?
Or Shepard could just be a xenophile.

Because that's a cheap and evasive excuse. Asari are almost identical to human females, save for the blue skin and short, slicked tentacle hair. Their appearance and features are barely alien at all.

And Kelly renders that argument void, regardless.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 11 avril 2011 - 08:50 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Blacklash93 wrote...
Because that's a cheap and evasive excuse. Asari resemble humans, just with blue skin and short, slicked tentacle hair. They're appearance is barely alien at all. Plus, bewbs.

And Kelly renders that argument void.

What's there to evade? Even if you think these qualify as lesbian options, why does that mean Bioware should add a gay option for MaleShep? And according to the codex, etc. everybody finds the asari attractive even salarians and such.

[cedgedc]

ReconTeam wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Too bad we can't take Manly Man Straight Overcompensating Douchebag Shepard out of the game. Why are you "entitled" to your Shepard, but other people aren't? You're not that special.

Ah... you're just as easy to provoke as me you know. Feel the hate flow through you...

cedgedc wrote...
Gay players who want to be treated fairly aren't asking you to go gay, buddy.

I fail to see how being "treated fairly" translates into "Bioware give me this content."

Being treated fairly means that Bioware shouldn't disenfranchise an entire group of people with their products.

It means that if they have deliberately created a game series in which romance plays a large role in the story and the experience of the game- they shouldn't seek to exclude a large segment of society from enjoying that aspect of the game.

Much the same way as a restaurant can't say "We serve, straights and
lesbo's only!" a game will have a bit of trouble justifying making that sort of statement.

And for the record, ME2 has several lesbien romance options: Liara (if you get the dlc), Morinth, Samara, and Kelly Chambers.

So put away your torch and pitch fork. Take off the white robes, and check the date. It's 2011. Get with it.

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
Because that's a cheap and evasive excuse. Asari resemble humans, just with blue skin and short, slicked tentacle hair. They're appearance is barely alien at all. Plus, bewbs.

And Kelly renders that argument void.

What's there to evade? Even if you think these qualify as lesbian options, why does that mean Bioware should add a gay option for MaleShep? And according to the codex, etc. everybody finds the asari attractive even salarians and such.

I don't care about actual gay options. I first want them to take back their hypociritical words on the matter.

And to human perception, Asari are women. If I saw an Asari and human female and had to attatch a sexuality to it, the answer would be obvious. To provide what is basically lesbian action to the masses while regarding a male Shepard as straight no matter what is just... unfair.

It's ruling out an entire group of people for no reason whatsoever with added hypocrisy to boot. What's cheaper than little imagination and a "Sure." from the devs?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 11 avril 2011 - 09:03 .

[Tazzmission]

why not introduce a bisexual double love interest? that way it works both ways ( no pun intended)

[TheZerby]

Truth is in the ME universe I doubt there would be a straight-gay character but a male bi character would be understandable and work and I think Bioware should bring ME3 up to the status quo that they've made. The examples I've given for character are solid choices that they could make.

[Inquisitor Recon]

cedgedc wrote...
Being treated fairly means that Bioware shouldn't disenfranchise an entire group of people with their products.

It means that if they have deliberately created a game series in which romance plays a large role in the story and the experience of the game- they shouldn't seek to exclude a large segment of society from enjoying that aspect of the game.

Much the same way as a restaurant can't say "We serve, straights and
lesbo's only!" a game will have a bit of trouble justifying making that sort of statement.

Disenfranchised? I don't see "gays can't play this game" anywhere on the box, I don't see any non-politically correct statements regarding homosexuality being stated, and so on. All in all the romances are a minor, non- essential feature, with little impact on the game as a whole. The fact is you're talking a small percentage of customers, many of whom are going to buy the game regardless of such a thing. If Biowares aims for more customers for ME3 they would be much better off investing resources elsewhere. Such would be far more effective than some publicity stunt for the gay community which is offensive at worst, or pandering at best.

and for the record, ME2 has several lesbien romance options: Liara (if you get the dlc), Morinth, Samara, and Kelly Chambers.

So put away your torch and pitch fork. Take off the white robes, and check the date. It's 2011. Get with it.

First I don't think it is confirmed FemShep sleeps with Kelly, and the rest are asari. Even if femshep can be played as a lesbian how do such romance options = a requirement for gay romances. The fact is many straight men like some hot lesbian action too. Second 2011 is a number, not some justification for Bioware adding said content.

[Tazzmission]

ReconTeam wrote...

cedgedc wrote...
Being treated fairly means that Bioware shouldn't disenfranchise an entire group of people with their products.

It means that if they have deliberately created a game series in which romance plays a large role in the story and the experience of the game- they shouldn't seek to exclude a large segment of society from enjoying that aspect of the game.

Much the same way as a restaurant can't say "We serve, straights and
lesbo's only!" a game will have a bit of trouble justifying making that sort of statement.

Disenfranchised? I don't see "gays can't play this game" anywhere on the box, I don't see any non-politically correct statements regarding homosexuality being stated, and so on. All in all the romances are a minor, non- essential feature, with little impact on the game as a whole. The fact is you're talking a small percentage of customers, many of whom are going to buy the game regardless of such a thing. If Biowares aims for more customers for ME3 they would be much better off investing resources elsewhere. Such would be far more effective than some publicity stunt for the gay community which is offensive at worst, or pandering at best.

and for the record, ME2 has several lesbien romance options: Liara (if you get the dlc), Morinth, Samara, and Kelly Chambers.

So put away your torch and pitch fork. Take off the white robes, and check the date. It's 2011. Get with it.

First I don't think it is confirmed FemShep sleeps with Kelly, and the rest are asari. Even if femshep can be played as a lesbian how do such romance options = a requirement for gay romances. The fact is many straight men like some hot lesbian action too. Second 2011 is a number, not some justification for Bioware adding said content.

actually you can get kelley as femshep. i did after i waited to play after the credits. im not gay myself but im for a bisexual romance in me3 because to an extent you get that option with femshep. and dont forget this is a game we the players decide the outcome of.