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[technoquarian]

Aramintai wrote...

I'll just repeat here something that was said by devs some time ago on that matter - actual gay auditory is a minority and it's not really profitable to double work the romances to cater them. Probably Mass Effect budget is big enough as it is to pay extra to writers and celebrity voice actors.

So that's why they had the lines recorded and the scenes done up to being undressed?

Sorry, not buying it.

[Aramintai]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Gay romances aren't double work. Far from it. There will never be a gay-exclusive romances and whatever difference there will be for the different genders romancing some bi person will be minimal. A few extra lines and that's it.

Whatever you say, man, but it won't change the fact that there are no real gay romances in Mass Effect . (For those insisting: Liara is of questionable (mono)gender, Kelly was just brutally exploited for the fish and is not a tracked romance anyway).

Modifié par Aramintai, 11 avril 2011 - 10:54 .

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

Some probably would, as would some straights. Again you're speaking in terms as if you're being denied something, which is flat out not the case. Such a companies motive must be to make a successful product, not push social agendas or argue politics, especially when in doing so they sacrifice time and effort making a better game. I'd question their integrity as a developer if not for the fact that different teams work on different projects.

Bioware doesn't include content to make a statement. It isn't their responsibility and there's no reason to include something for the sake of it. I agree on that. 

And gay romances hardly get in the way of making other content. As Gaider said, the work put in to make a romance for both genders is hardly comparable to making the romance itself. It'll barely impede other development at all.

[Blacklash93]

Aramintai wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Gay romances aren't double work. Far from it. There will never be a gay-exclusive romances and whatever difference there will be for the different genders romancing some bi person will be minimal. A few extra lines and that's it.

Whatever you say, man, but it won't change the fact that there are no real gay romances in Mass Effect . (For those insisting: Liara is of questionable (mono)gender, Kelly just brutally exploited for the fish).

Really? And here I thought arguing would magically change that fact of reality...

And mono-gender = one-gender, not "no gender" or "alien gender". Asari are called an all-female race in the codex.

[Aramintai]

Blacklash93 wrote...

And mono-gender = one-gender, not "no gender" or "alien gender". Asari are called an all-female race in the codex.

Asari were made specifically for the majority of ME players - straight young males who can never resist seeing hot chicks making out. You can interpret her as the single one characher who took all the gay love for herself, if you wish.

Anyways, maybe BioWare's just afraid of another ridiculous Fox News backlash to implement even more controversial content in the ME series . 

[Saeran]

Aramintai wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

And mono-gender = one-gender, not "no gender" or "alien gender". Asari are called an all-female race in the codex.

Asari were made specifically for the majority of ME players - straight young males who can never resist seeing hot chicks making out. You can interpret her as the single one characher who took all the gay love for herself, if you wish.

Anyways, maybe BioWare's just afraid of another ridiculous Fox News backlash to implement even more controversial content in the ME series . 

So the romance content is controversial content by what your saying surely? Because it was the sideboobage in an M-rated game that annoyed fox news, nothing more. REMOVE ALL ROMANCES, THEY ARE AN OBSCENITY TO THIS GAME!

[Aramintai]

Saeran wrote...

So the romance content is controversial content by what your saying surely? Because it was the sideboobage in an M-rated game that annoyed fox news, nothing more. REMOVE ALL ROMANCES, THEY ARE AN OBSCENITY TO THIS GAME!

I wasn't talking about romances per se, just some potential gays making out cutscenes. Anyways, just a joke of a theory , but with Fox News you never know...

Modifié par Aramintai, 11 avril 2011 - 10:59 .

[TheZerby]

I don't think Fox is that daring (Or stupid) to touch a story like that and think people would be in their favor. Okay maybe they would but would it matter? Bioware shouldn't have thought of anything of the stupidity of that report from Fox and it just was another nail on why everyone laughs at their "Reporting" of news.

[Inquisitor Recon]

technoquarian wrote...
So that's why they had the lines recorded and the scenes done up to being undressed?

Sorry, not buying it.

The fact that both VAs recorded all of the dialogue Shepard says hardly indicates they intended anything. It was likely done as a matter of simplicity for recording purposes.

[FenrisDeSolar]

Stardusk78 wrote...

It's just about sales; Commander Shepard on his knees sucking off Jacob's man stick would never sell.

Depends on who they pitch the idea to... XD I'd swing for it. Gay Jacob would be much more interesting.

[Saeran]

TheZerby wrote...

I don't think Fox is that daring (Or stupid) to touch a story like that and think people would be in their favor. Okay maybe they would but would it matter? Bioware shouldn't have thought of anything of the stupidity of that report from Fox and it just was another nail on why everyone laughs at their "Reporting" of news.

They complain of liberal bias in the media on one hand and then tout about their media dominance on the other, sense this does not make.

@ReconTeam: So recording the voice acting and writing the script all of a sudden has become easier and cheaper than not recording it and writing it? I can buy that logic.

Modifié par Saeran, 11 avril 2011 - 11:09 .

[Minister of Sound]

You have officially become the "Best troll I've ever seen on the Mass Effect forums", beating the poster of the "Female Armour Too Oversexualized?" thread.

[Pscyon]

Personally, I don't give a damn whether or not they add gay/bi romances, as it's content I'm never going to touch. If they add it, fine, if they don't, fine. However, that doesn't mean they shouldn't add it. I don't play more than 2 of the classes either, but that's no reason for the rest not to be there. More options is better. Period. It's better to cater to many than few. Anyone who honestly thinks that pleasing less paying customers rather than more has a screw loose somewhere.

There is no more work involved in adding a homosexual romance than a straight one. No, there isn't. If you say there's additional work involved, then yes that's true, if they're adding it to a character who allready has a different gender option. But it's certainly not a massive money drain, nor will it put the entire project back by half a year. Nor is it exceptionally controversial at this point; Dragon Effect 2 has most, if not all, companions be bisexual and got away with it without any massive media outbursts.

Modifié par Pscyon, 11 avril 2011 - 11:33 .

[didymos1120]

Aramintai wrote...
(For those insisting: Liara is of questionable (mono)gender, Kelly was just brutally exploited for the fish and is not a tracked romance anyway).

There's nothing remotely questionable about Liara or any asari: they're all female.   Even if they all looked like men, biologically, they'd still be female: they bear children parthenogenetically.  Also, the Codex says so:

"An all-female race, the asari reproduce through a form of parthenogenesis."

You can't get much more plain than that.

The fact that they nearly all look like like hot, busty, blue spacebabes (a deliberate choice to have something like the Orion Slave Girls of Star Trek and other, similar "hot alien women" of pulp SF in the games.  See the ME1 art book) just makes it even more obvious that they're fully intended to be women. Then there's the fact that practically everyone within the games views them as women ("Morinth is a girl like me...").  Trying to say "Liara isn't really a girl...." is just plain weak and unconvincing rationalization. 

If Femshep hooks up with Liara, Femshep is gay or bisexual. Period.

Modifié par didymos1120, 11 avril 2011 - 11:32 .

[Biotic_Warlock]

shumworld wrote...

Before I start. I need to point out that I'm straight and have nothing against ones right on who one choose to be with in the privacy of their own homes. There was a time when I questioned my sexuality, after having a long talk with my best friend (whose like a brother to me) who happens to be gay. I came to realize I'm a heterosexual.

Alright so now to the topic at hand. I wondered if there was another reason as to why the LIs (beyond Liara) are not available for both genders, beyond the ones we as a comunity discussed. After typing a post on DA2 about the idea Hawke having kids. I reflect back to the subject as to why homosexaulity is more welcomed in DA and not so much in ME.

I pondered for a moment until I came to realize that maybe... just maybe... BW left the window open for Shepard to have kids. Liara's race is capable of producing regaurdless of who their sexual partner will be. Plus this ME3 will be Shepard's final adventure. So possibly one of the ideas the writers might have to end Shepard's journey is the "choice" to have kids. So if my theory is true, I can only assume that BW does not want to exclude the oppurtunity for all players for Shep to be a parent.

I just wanted to share this thought. I appologize in advance if anyone took offense to my opinion and crossing my fingers for no flame war.

TROLL.

Well at least u didnt say you had a friend who's gay - i give you credit for that.

There is no evidence to support this claim that shep is not gay - btw, femshep can romance asari and kelly chambers... therefore gay.

In summary.
Ah yes, shepard is "not gay"... we have dismissed this claim!

edit: And being tali avatar - you bosh'tet.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 11 avril 2011 - 11:43 .

[Russalka]

ReconTeam wrote...
The fact that both VAs recorded all of the dialogue Shepard says hardly indicates they intended anything. It was likely done as a matter of simplicity for recording purposes.

That is a bit of a stretch, is it not? 

[Ryzaki]

Russalka wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
The fact that both VAs recorded all of the dialogue Shepard says hardly indicates they intended anything. It was likely done as a matter of simplicity for recording purposes.

That is a bit of a stretch, is it not? 

Hm. I'm not sure.

in DA2 Male Hawke has several female exclusive lines recorded. 

(Like the "tell me he has blue eyes and a nice smile and I'll marry him on the spot." choice.) 

That the only thing that means is that s/s romances would be even less work since the majority of dialogue is already recorded. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 12:22 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Because BW didn't write him or imagine him that way.

[Saeran]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Because BW didn't write him or imagine him that way.

They did in his original form broseph.

[Legbiter]

The Homocaust of 2083-87 and subsequent genetic engineering is why we can't have gay in ME.

[Saeran]

Legbiter wrote...

The Homocaust of 2083-87 and subsequent genetic engineering is why we can't have gay in ME.

*Points in Femshep's direction*

...She would like a word with you, you naughty, naughty man.

[Blacklash93]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Because BW didn't write him or imagine him that way.

A PC character can be imagined or written to be many things. The former can be up to the player within reason.

Also, what Saeran said.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 12 avril 2011 - 01:35 .

[Blacklash93]

mrsph wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Because BW didn't write him or imagine him that way.

This is literally the worst excuse Bioware ever came up with. Especially since a race of space lesbians exist.

More like omnisexual.

On the other hand, any human getting with Asari is clearly attracted to the feminine form.

[ReiSilver]

we all know the solution to this problem.
an alien race of pretty boy, sorry, mono-gendered aliens that just so happen to all look like gorgeous human men but with an odd skin pigment and some rubber on their heads. They can romance everyone including male-Shepard. And it's not homosexual since, as we've all been told, if it's a mono gendered alien race it doesn't count, right?