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[starmine76]

OP's post made me laugh. A lot.

[cedgedc]

ReconTeam wrote...

Some probably would, as would some straights. Again you're speaking in terms as if you're being denied something, which is flat out not the case. Such a companies motive must be to make a successful product, not push social agendas or argue politics, especially when in doing so they sacrifice time and effort making a better game. I'd question their integrity as a developer if not for the fact that different teams work on different projects.

See it's all good and fine to come up with a well worded, well thought out arguement about the company's duty to make profits etc etc. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't take a huge effort to simply script in the same dialogues for Male shepard as for female shepard when talking to a potential bi-sexual NPC.

On the contrary, it actually would take more time to script different 'just friends' dialogues to establish those parameters for male shepard. To say that they would be sacrificing other potential aspects of the game to be able to implement this is something that you know quite well isn't reasonable.

There aren't gay-only side quests, or gay-specific cutscenes. All that needs to be done is have the same dialogue regardless of gender with one npc.

Further more, the letter that was 'condescending' to the player base, while it did have some attitude- reverberated considerably around the net. It didn't linger here on the forums, it was across various gaming sites, all over twitter, reddit and digg. The response was -overwhelmingly- possitive.

To me this says that there are many people who care about this profoundly enough that it is worth the minimal effort (and effort may be an overstatement) to cater to players beyond the stereotypical single white teenager gamer. People not even familiar with the game read it and were impressed.

And guess what? That is how you bring in more customers. Every year the demographics of people who call them selves gamers is getting wider. 5+ Years ago Jacob from ME would have been white, as would Isabela from DA2. Games diversify because it is good for business.

There is -no- incentive to overlook a glaring issue such as this, when a quick fix could appease an increasingly sizeable population of more diverse players.

Funny thing is, the debate is quite moot as it's almost guarenteed to be implemented. They set a precedent with Dragon Age 2. They made a statement that Bioware isn't afraid of admitting to the world that homosexuality exists, both in the world and in their games. That heroes can be gay. That includes Shepard.

The negative press they would get for taking a step back from their stance would be larger than any possitive feedback they got from raising the bar with DA2.

Modifié par cedgedc, 12 avril 2011 - 03:10 .

[Strephon Gentry]

The character probably isn't gay because BioWare doesn't want the character to be...it is their IP after all. They make the decisions. Not you. Not me. We just buy the product if we like it.

[Commander Waha]

Maybe they've cured homosexuality in humans? I know Gavorn is gay, but I don't know if I've seen many gay men in the ME universe.

But yeah, my guess is that it's been cured. We live for 150 years now apparently, so why not cure homosexuality?

[Drake_Hound]

I am freaking jealous how come so much emphasis on single people relationship .
Damnit my Shepard is a HERO , how come I have to settle for 1 relationship .
I want a freaking harem of women

So stop that nonesense , Till I get atleast my trio in place ... or quartet .....hmmm <_<

[Commander Waha]

mrsph wrote...

"Hurr, homosexuality is a disease"

Yes, and?

[didymos1120]

Commander Waha wrote...

mrsph wrote...

"Hurr, homosexuality is a disease"

Yes, and?

I think what mrsph is getting at is that, well, it's not.

[TheZerby]

Waha, being gay is not a desease at all, you can't cure it and to see you joke about it shows me you have a lack of respect of peoples decisions in their lives.

[KawaiiKatie]

ReiSilver wrote...

we all know the solution to this problem.
an alien race of pretty boy, sorry, mono-gendered aliens that just so happen to all look like gorgeous human men but with an odd skin pigment and some rubber on their heads. They can romance everyone including male-Shepard. And it's not homosexual since, as we've all been told, if it's a mono gendered alien race it doesn't count, right?

DO WANT.

[Commander Waha]

TheZerby wrote...

Waha, being gay is not a desease at all, you can't cure it and to see you joke about it shows me you have a lack of respect of peoples decisions in their lives.

I was of the understanding that being gay was not a choice. 

Also, in any other species, being completely unwilling to produce offspring would be seen as an illness, if not a disease, and treated as such. 

See Pandas. 

[Aramintai]

didymos1120 wrote...

If Femshep hooks up with Liara, Femshep is gay or bisexual. Period.

Before anything else Liara's an alien, does it even count? Second, male Shepard still has no gay love. Female has one orientation, male the other? It doesn't make much sense. If anything, it only proves my statement above that Liara is all about catering to the majority of ME auditory:

Aramintai wrote...
Asari were made specifically for the majority of ME players - straight young males who can never resist seeing hot chicks making out. You can interpret her as the single one characher who took all the gay love for herself, if you wish.

P.S. I don't see the point of this thread. It was said that there won't be gay romances in ME, why bother whining? Better go play Dragon Age - it's all concentrated in there.

Modifié par Aramintai, 12 avril 2011 - 05:48 .

[didymos1120]

Aramintai wrote...

Before anything else Liara's an alien, does it even count?

Yeah, it does because that alien has basically all the secondary sexual characteristics of a human woman.  If Femshep is attracted to her, she's attracted to women.  I don't even see how this could be a point of contention.

[didymos1120]

Commander Waha wrote...
Also, in any other species, being completely unwilling to produce offspring would be seen as an illness, if not a disease, and treated as such. 

See Pandas. 

Um, you're not very familiar with biology are you?  There are plenty of species which have non-breeding members.  Yes, even mammals. 

[Commander Waha]

didymos1120 wrote...

Commander Waha wrote...
Also, in any other species, being completely unwilling to produce offspring would be seen as an illness, if not a disease, and treated as such. 

See Pandas. 

Um, you're not very familiar with biology are you?  There are plenty of species which have non-breeding members.  Yes, even mammals. 

Humans are not naturally among these. There is not biological benefit to non-breeding members for humanity. 

[TheZerby]

So that makes gays "wrong" being like that? Since when does your sexuality have to be a biological benefit manner?

Modifié par TheZerby, 12 avril 2011 - 06:05 .

[dreman9999]

Here's what maybe the reason why Sheperd can't be gay. Romour has it that the modle of that Sheperd is based off ,Mark Vanderloo, is homophobic. So much that he told bioware that if they have a gay Sheperd in the game he walks. So they makde Sheperd/male straight as a arrow to keep Sheperds defualt face.

Modifié par dreman9999, 12 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[dreman9999]

mrsph wrote...

"Hurr, homosexuality is a disease"

But to be polite. There is at least one gay person (AND A MAN! GASP!) in the novels.

Oh, right ..the guy who training that biotic girl.

[Commander Waha]

TheZerby wrote...

So that makes gays "wrong" being like that? Since when does your sexuality have to be a biological benefit manner?

It's not morally wrong, I'm not saying that at all. 

But it certainly isn't "right". 

If you adhere to the notion that it's inborn in certain people, like schizophrenia or blue eyes, then you must certainly be able to see that it's not an evolutionary benefit. 

In fact, unless you use advanced fertility procedures, homosexuality tends to end your genetic line. 

Is life all about passing on your genes? No. 

Is it a big part of life? You bet. 

That's why I treat it like a dysfunction, or an illness. 

[Silmane]

dreman9999 wrote...

Heres what maybe the reason why Sheperd can't be gay. Romour has it that the modle of that Sheperd is based off ,Mark Vanderloo, is homophobic. So much that he told bioware that if they have a gay Sheperd in the game he walks. So they makde Sheperd/male straight as a arrow to keep Sheperds defualt face.

Yeah, I'm gonna need a source on that.

[technoquarian]

Commander Waha wrote...

TheZerby wrote...

So that makes gays "wrong" being like that? Since when does your sexuality have to be a biological benefit manner?

It's not morally wrong, I'm not saying that at all. 

But it certainly isn't "right". 

If you adhere to the notion that it's inborn in certain people, like schizophrenia or blue eyes, then you must certainly be able to see that it's not an evolutionary benefit. 

In fact, unless you use advanced fertility procedures, homosexuality tends to end your genetic line. 

Is life all about passing on your genes? No. 

Is it a big part of life? You bet. 

That's why I treat it like a dysfunction, or an illness. 

I'd planned to sit the rest of this one out, but I'm just curious, and totally not trolling here:  Would you consider heterosexual couples who choose not to have children "dysfunctional" or "ill" because they aren't procreating?

In social species, there's evidence to suggest that homosexual behavior can be good as it can diffuse aggression.  See also Bonobos.  I'm not saying "yay, everyone should be gay" or "if people would just boink members of the same sex, we'd see world peace!"  Far from it.  I'm just sayin' that homosexual behavior is not an uncommon theme in social species.

[dreman9999]

Silmane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Heres what maybe the reason why Sheperd can't be gay. Romour has it that the modle of that Sheperd is based off ,Mark Vanderloo, is homophobic. So much that he told bioware that if they have a gay Sheperd in the game he walks. So they makde Sheperd/male straight as a arrow to keep Sheperds defualt face.

Yeah, I'm gonna need a source on that.

It's in the old  ME2 bioware forums. I don't feel like digging it up. The thing is that all this came from a guy who poster annonmusly about a week or 2 before ME2 was release. He stated he was a writer from bioware. He talked about alot of things like the Cerburus network and it's free dlc, and the fact that their doing a Liara dlc with the Shadow broker 9 months before it realse. The thing is almost everthing he said came true out side of the SB dlc being free. I have do alot of digging to find a post from January 2010 on an old abadom forum weno longer use.
But food for though, this does make the most sense. Bioware, which has been been very pro homosexuality since Kotor, to not alway it for Males in ME, but let it go limitlessly in DA with no reason why it was cut given. ME1 even had the male romaces recorded but cut it and could of done it in ME2 but cut it.With the right mods you can unlock it but to have it in the game and not allow users to us it make it clear that theirs a reason it no really avalible. A  legal reason is the most logical one out of all the reasons why Biowarecan't have a gay male Sheperd.

[Commander Waha]

technoquarian wrote...

Commander Waha wrote...

TheZerby wrote...

So that makes gays "wrong" being like that? Since when does your sexuality have to be a biological benefit manner?

It's not morally wrong, I'm not saying that at all. 

But it certainly isn't "right". 

If you adhere to the notion that it's inborn in certain people, like schizophrenia or blue eyes, then you must certainly be able to see that it's not an evolutionary benefit. 

In fact, unless you use advanced fertility procedures, homosexuality tends to end your genetic line. 

Is life all about passing on your genes? No. 

Is it a big part of life? You bet. 

That's why I treat it like a dysfunction, or an illness. 

I'd planned to sit the rest of this one out, but I'm just curious, and totally not trolling here:  Would you consider heterosexual couples who choose not to have children "dysfunctional" or "ill" because they aren't procreating?

In social species, there's evidence to suggest that homosexual behavior can be good as it can diffuse aggression.  See also Bonobos.  I'm not saying "yay, everyone should be gay" or "if people would just boink members of the same sex, we'd see world peace!"  Far from it.  I'm just sayin' that homosexual behavior is not an uncommon theme in social species.

Oh, I have no issue with same sex members mashing naughty bits together once in a while. Exclusive homosexuality and homosexual encounters are two different things. 

To answer your question more directly, hetero couples choose not to have children, homosexual ones simply can not have children. 

Again, this is assuming no fertility clinic involvement. 

So while the hetero couple isn't passing on their genes, it is fully their choice not to do so. 

The ****** couple is bound by their genetic desire to boink their own gender, and so cannot choose to not have children, it is simply their fate. 

To put it another way, men can stand or sit to pee, whereas women cannot stand and pee so easily. It is a weak example, but I think it gets the point across. 

[dreman9999]

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Modifié par dreman9999, 12 avril 2011 - 06:38 .

[Eterna]

[quote]Insom wrote...

It's simple, they've cured homosexuality by the time ME takes place. [/quote]


[/quote]

 And why does homosexuality need a cure exactly?