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[Ace Attorney]

Anyone ever successfully used Isabela as a Tank / Secondary Tank? Specially on Nightmare.
What setup did you use?

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 11 avril 2011 - 01:37 .

[aethernox]

How would you suggest doing this? She has mediocre armor, damage resistance, and magic resistance, constitution isn't one of her primary stats, and she lacks the damage output to keep threat after she goads it on to her. Defense only goes so far, sadly enough.

I just don't see it working very well.

[mesmerizedish]

I've used her as an off-tank on hard (but not Nightmare). Defense, Across the Bow, and... stuff... I didn't use her very often.

[Atmosfear3]

It doesn't work. Rogue defense is more of a survivability component, not a tanking one. Its the same in WoW: you don't let rogues tank even if they have ludicrous dodge because if RNG rolls in favor of a hit, the rogue gets 1-shot by an elite or boss.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

Terrible idea. Isabela (and rogues period) are horrible tanks unless we're talking about purely kiting them (which is not so effective against enemy archers). Unless you're gonna plug in alot of CON or get equipment with stun immunity, it's not worth it.

[Bones40]

I never used Isabella as one, but I did use my DW Duelist/Assassin rogue as one on hard a few times just to try it out. It works well enough for a bit but I wouldn't trust the AI (ie Isabella) to do it well enough. There are times you have to maneuver/temporarily kite. In the end though, there's just not that much of a need for an off tank.

You guys do realize that the Duelist tree and Isabella's personal tree have skills in them specifically designed for off tanking right? Or at the very least, for pulling the biggest, angriest mob on the battlefield off your tank if they need a breather for a minute.

[Apathy1989]

I tend to accidentally kill isabela with a stray below of wind, let alone her tanking the mobs.

I just wish she could use a bow, or have tactic "If hawk nearby enemy, do not attack".

[Icy Magebane]

On Hard, a pride demon one-shotted her three times in a row (kept replaying the fight to figure out the dialogue of Merril's quest). She can't be a tank IMO. If it's possible, you'd need to focus on CON and HP items only... she's just not that tough.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 11 avril 2011 - 03:10 .

[Cutlass Jack]

I used her as one on my game to great success. But my Hawke was also an off tanking duelist rogue. She handled the crowds of minions (her abilities work best vs. numbers) and I focused on dealing with bosses. (Duelist better vs. single target)

[Perfect-Kenshin]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I used her as one on my game to great success. But my Hawke was also an off tanking duelist rogue. She handled the crowds of minions (her abilities work best vs. numbers) and I focused on dealing with bosses. (Duelist better vs. single target)

What difficulty?

[Wye]

She always died on me, so I highly doubt it.

[Zeevico]

Let me list the reasons why not:
1. Defence is not very significant in this game. You will get hit and if you're a rogue, it will hurt.Why?>>>
2. Low strength=low fortitude. One hit takes you out of the combat; a few might corner you in a wall, which means death unless you can taunt away the threat. On nightmare mode this is particularly significant. If you don't take points in strength your days as a combatant are numbered without taunt, goad or armistice.
3. With low armour, low constitution and low resistances, DW rogues are not good tanks.

[BanditGR]

Bones40 wrote...
You guys do realize that the Duelist tree and Isabella's personal tree have skills in them specifically designed for off tanking right? Or at the very least, for pulling the biggest, angriest mob on the battlefield off your tank if they need a breather for a minute.

Yep and most people are not exactly sure what the developers wanted to achieve with those talents and I'm pretty sure they don't completely understand it either (unless they never tested them on Hard and especially Nightmare). As has been (correctly) stated, defense isn't that important overall (especially since it suffers severe diminishing returns after ~80%). Strength (fortitude), Constitution and armor are the things you need in order to tank and no rogue will have them in abundance, especially isabella that uses a gimped version of Duelist anyway.

Of course you can always throw kitting in the mix, but then again that not really 'tanking' and almost anyone can do it. The real question here is, why would you need an off tank anyway ? You shouldn't. Your main tank (either Aveline or Hawke) shouldn't require a breather and even if he/she does, there are always abilities you can fall back on (shield wall, stonewall etc) that are more reliable than a gimped OT. Multiple lieutenants/elites can also be dealt by using a single tank.

[Joy Divison]

I haven't found a way to keep her upright. I counted the number of deaths my party had. Isabella: 7, everyone else: 2.

[KyleOrdrum]

While I think it's feasible for a DW rogue to act effectively as a tank, it would be absolutely necessary for it to be Hawke. I believe it's feasible due to the number of dodge and disable spells. Causing enough dps will keep attention, and one can keep moving enough to simply not get hit. The issue here is that Isabella doesn't have access to the armors you find on the road to really abuse the stats. That being said, I wouldn't suggest it for a multitude of reasons.

While I ishly used her as a tank when it was necessary on hard, I found that a single mage with enough disabling and lockdown spells could near-instantly disable an entire wave and let 3 dps oriented characters clear them out, giving the mage recharge time for wave 2. The issue here was that the 3-5 times I actually needed a tank, my lockdown oriented force mage did better at this role. While I realize mages are squishy, I made him a force/blood mage, and so his hp was kinda through the roof.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

KyleOrdrum wrote...

While I think it's feasible for a DW rogue to act effectively as a tank, it would be absolutely necessary for it to be Hawke. I believe it's feasible due to the number of dodge and disable spells. Causing enough dps will keep attention, and one can keep moving enough to simply not get hit. The issue here is that Isabella doesn't have access to the armors you find on the road to really abuse the stats. That being said, I wouldn't suggest it for a multitude of reasons.

While I ishly used her as a tank when it was necessary on hard, I found that a single mage with enough disabling and lockdown spells could near-instantly disable an entire wave and let 3 dps oriented characters clear them out, giving the mage recharge time for wave 2. The issue here was that the 3-5 times I actually needed a tank, my lockdown oriented force mage did better at this role. While I realize mages are squishy, I made him a force/blood mage, and so his hp was kinda through the roof.

How'd you deal with the willpower requirement for armor?

[KyleOrdrum]

The armor I was using only had a willpower requirement of 31. I had around 40 magic, 31 will, and 35 con. Thank the maker for point-books.

[naughty99]

Might be fun to try for kicks on Casual or Normal, but so far I haven't even figured out a way to keep Izzy alive as a *supporting character* on Nightmare, forget about tanking.

[Raaa1n]

anyone tried giving her a shield that is not class restricted? that might boost her survivability a bit.

[Running_Blind]

I never used Across the Bow to tank, but if an enemy was going after one of my mages I could use AtB to make it chase after Izzy, Izzy would then stealth leaving the enemy stranded away from my squishies.

Not very Duelist-y though...

Modifié par Running_Blind, 12 avril 2011 - 10:09 .

[ReallyRue]

I did it whilst playing as a mage with Merrill and Anders along too, but I played on normal. With a bunch of sustainables on the mages, Anders primarily healing and Hawke a back-up healer, it worked great.

[Running_Blind]

I'm pretty sure on normal you could get away with Varric being your main tank.