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[AngryFrozenWater]

I have played a mage (one who wasn't a blood mage and) who sided with the templars. It seems to be a good idea, because she found the letter of "O" sent to her mother's murderer and immediately suspected Orsino to be behind it. That later turns out to be true. That Hawke thinks that although the mages need their freedom a lot of them may be dangerous because their leader turns out to be a blood mage. At the same time she rejects Meredith's action when she invokes the Rite of Annulment which makes no sense because the mages cannot be held responsible for a crime they did not commit. After all it was Anders causing the destruction of the chantry. Meredith was mad at the time. If the Rite could have been prevented Hawke would rather have tested those mages at a later date. But alas, she didn't have that choice.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 12 avril 2011 - 06:04 .

[LobselVith8]

Filament wrote...

See, it doesn't sound like he's talking about the typecasting of dark skinned people though, it sounds like he's talking about the typecasting of mages. Not that I agree with that either, but it sounds like LobselVith is defending something entirely different than what Ian said.

All I did was address what I saw Ian trying to say, that's all. It isn't the first time I saw someone take an issue with diversity - it comes up often when discussing movies, television, comics, and even games.

As for an opinion, I don't recall providing one. I was defending the idea of civil discussion and being respectful of each other despite the fact that we can all disagree on a number of issues, but apparently my opinion on the race issue is wrong according to Addai67... despite the fact that I provided no opinion at all.

I take it that it's too late to get the Ser Isaac armor for Dragon Age 2 on PS3?

[Peer of the Empire]

Filament wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

It seemed like he was pointing out that one of the few characters with a Rivanni appearance was a mage who uses blood magic and helps kidnap someone Hawke cares about. I don't see any reason we can't have a civil discussion about race, given how we're all from different backgrounds and can provide insight and dialogue into this issue.

You mean besides the Rivaini squad member and LI who is the iconic female used to the market the entire game??

Holy crap.  You dudes take this pro-mage stuff to ridiculous extremes.

See, it doesn't sound like he's talking about the typecasting of dark skinned people though, it sounds like he's talking about the typecasting of mages. Not that I agree with that either, but it sounds like LobselVith is defending something entirely different than what Ian said.

The only logical consistency there needs to be is that characters' appearances are chosen for a reason.  For Isabela, that reason could be conditioning people to like dark females.  To fight racism and all that

Personally I like having her around, but she is repulsively ****ty.

[Peer of the Empire]

Filament wrote...
Well I wasn't personally saying you gave an opinion, just that your summation of what he was saying didn't seem to match up with what he was actually saying. Yeah he brought up diversity, but not in the normal way that people bring up diversity... it's not about dark-skinned people being cast in bad roles, it's about mages being cast in bad roles, as evidenced by even the most sympathetic mage still having dark skin.

And why do you keep mentioning the Ser Isaac armor here?

It's not unreasonable that customers might have the subconscious feeling of other when it comes to mages if skin color is different.  It is certainly a conscious feeling with me when I view their fantastical deeds of evil.

As far as dark people cast in bad roles, I propose that the opposite has been going on for more than a generation.

[LobselVith8]

Filament wrote...

And why do you keep mentioning the Ser Isaac armor here?

I thought someone might know because of the wealth of knowledge amassed here, that's all.

[LobselVith8]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

It's not unreasonable that customers might have the subconscious feeling of other when it comes to mages if skin color is different.  It is certainly a conscious feeling with me when I view their fantastical deeds of evil.

As far as dark people cast in bad roles, I propose that the opposite has been going on for more than a generation.

Well, there was the race issue with "Prince of Persia," where a white actor was hired to play a dark skinned fictional Persian character, and the uproar over white actors being hired to play dark skinned characters in the Last Airbender. It seems to happen time and again, and I can see why some people take issue with the way that people are portrayed in the medium of entertainment.

[Torax]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Filament wrote...

See, it doesn't sound like he's talking about the typecasting of dark skinned people though, it sounds like he's talking about the typecasting of mages. Not that I agree with that either, but it sounds like LobselVith is defending something entirely different than what Ian said.

All I did was address what I saw Ian trying to say, that's all. It isn't the first time I saw someone take an issue with diversity - it comes up often when discussing movies, television, comics, and even games.

As for an opinion, I don't recall providing one. I was defending the idea of civil discussion and being respectful of each other despite the fact that we can all disagree on a number of issues, but apparently my opinion on the race issue is wrong according to Addai67... despite the fact that I provided no opinion at all.

I take it that it's too late to get the Ser Isaac armor for Dragon Age 2 on PS3?

I know you were wanting to defend your friend and his supposed claim of a civil discussion. But his goal seemed to just try and paint that Bioware is racist for making a character's skin a little darker. On top that trying to say that it's possible their goal was to make people not side with mages cause of that fact. Since Orsino wasn't darker skinned instead have to turn him into Dracula (Which I don't see at all) so that people will also not side with mages cause of that. Like a conspiracy on Bioware's part and how apparently everyone else who doesn't side with the mages are really racist and just don't know it.

Do you not see how that isn't a civil discussion and is really just trying to paint a bunch of people as wrong and evil who do not side with the mages? When I wager that people who side with the mages greatly exceeds those that side with the Templars. I personaly never have sided with them. But IanPolaris' postings that seemed to drive this mindset of paranoia just may have side with Meredith inspite of it. There is nothing there. Now if he had giant bushy eyebrows and talked like a tech support line, then maybe he'd have more merrit. But since the character doesn't? I think he's just trying to turn a subject into some new conspiracy by Gaider and crew, like they have nothing better to do then find a way for the world to hate mages.

Personally I think the mages were fine and you want to know why? I sided with them from the start. I ignored all the blood magic despite it. Even the death of the Mother. I though about the innocent ones. Now if instead I had ever though about some darker skinned guy I should hate? No, infact Alain is not even memorable. Emule is more rememberable as a comedy. Should that instead be some conspiracy about how they wanted people to like mages cause Emule was a funny story? Of course not. It's reaching at best and not civil ever to try and just paint an opposition as racists. Using a term like Subconcious is bull crap. It's trying to paint your opponent (When there isn't one in the first place) with some obviously racist opinion you have towards them.

It's like saying that a female character who walks swaying their hips was done to turn on teenage boys. What if it was designed by a female cause they wanted a female that didn't walk like a man for once? One is an assumtion by a player who only thinks of the character infront of them in a sexual manner. The other is a female who thought it was boring to watch female shepard walk just like all the guys. It's applying things that are not there for an assumption to support an argument. Especially one without a clear enemy or even a purpose for the debate.

Both yourself and Ian focus too much on this whole mage thing. Though I think you are more reasonable. Just understand that it goes no where to try and paint every person against you as some new negative. All he'll do is incite anger by people who don't agree. Should also point out that many who will argue with him and yourself are not even Templar lovers. They just think the logic he applies as bias and well full of crap. Attacking further just works against a cause of getting people to like mages...

Modifié par Torax, 12 avril 2011 - 06:28 .

[LobselVith8]

Filament wrote...

Well I wasn't personally saying you gave an opinion, just that your summation of what he was saying didn't seem to match up with what he was actually saying.

I thought that was the point he was trying to get across. If I was wrong, Ian can correct me.

Filament wrote...
I would have assumed all copies of Dead Space 2 came with the armor code, and I don't know why there would be any sort of expiration date on its redemption.

I heard the expiration date was March 31, 2012, but I was able to download the Stone Prisoner long after the DLC had expired, so I was wondering if the same was true for Dead Space 2. I was curious, and I asked in a few other forums, but nobody seemed to know. I figured enough people here have a great deal of knowledge about the game and might know the answer.

[Torax]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

It's not unreasonable that customers might have the subconscious feeling of other when it comes to mages if skin color is different.  It is certainly a conscious feeling with me when I view their fantastical deeds of evil.

As far as dark people cast in bad roles, I propose that the opposite has been going on for more than a generation.

Well, there was the race issue with "Prince of Persia," where a white actor was hired to play a dark skinned fictional Persian character, and the uproar over white actors being hired to play dark skinned characters in the Last Airbender. It seems to happen time and again, and I can see why some people take issue with the way that people are portrayed in the medium of entertainment.

Wouldn't it have made more sense in that sort of context that Alain would have been the bad guy and not Grace? This is not the case. They made the darker skinned guy one of the nice mages. That is counter to an argument of racism is it not? Painting the darker skinned people as friends. Isabela and Alain?

Modifié par Torax, 12 avril 2011 - 06:31 .

[Torax]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Filament wrote...

Well I wasn't personally saying you gave an opinion, just that your summation of what he was saying didn't seem to match up with what he was actually saying.

I thought that was the point he was trying to get across. If I was wrong, Ian can correct me.

Filament wrote...
I would have assumed all copies of Dead Space 2 came with the armor code, and I don't know why there would be any sort of expiration date on its redemption.

I heard the expiration date was March 31, 2012, but I was able to download the Stone Prisoner long after the DLC had expired, so I was wondering if the same was true for Dead Space 2. I was curious, and I asked in a few other forums, but nobody seemed to know. I figured enough people here have a great deal of knowledge about the game and might know the answer.

If you registered it before then you should be able to. Is it not an option on the PSN?

[LobselVith8]

Torax wrote...

I know you were wanting to defend your friend and his supposed claim of a civil discussion. But his goal seemed to just try and paint that Bioware is racist for making a character's skin a little darker. On top that trying to say that it's possible their goal was to make people not side with mages cause of that fact.

I was addressing that we can all discuss this issue with civility, and as I've said, if I misread what Ian wrote, he can correct me.

Torax wrote...

Since Orsino wasn't darker skinned instead have to turn him into Dracula (Which I don't see at all) so that people will also not side with mages cause of that. Like a conspiracy on Bioware's part and how apparently everyone else who doesn't side with the mages are really racist and just don't know it.

I didn't interpret that message from what he said. People do make mistakes in reading what someone else writes. You yourself keep repeating the same "mage" mantra over at the Merrill thread when I was addressing how the Dalish clans would respond to Merrill if she fought the templars, and you ignored me and kept saying how it was about the mages or the Circle of Magi over and over again despite me correcting you every time you made this mistake. I would say mistakes happen.

Torax wrote...

Do you not see how that isn't a civil discussion and is really just trying to paint a bunch of people as wrong and evil who do not side with the mages?

I don't think anyone is wrong or evil for having a different opinion.

Torax wrote...

When I wager that people who side with the mages greatly exceeds those that side with the Templars. I personaly never have sided with them. But IanPolaris' postings that seemed to drive this mindset of paranoia just may have side with Meredith inspite of it.

David Gaider also addressed that he believes people sided more with mages.

Torax wrote...

Both yourself and Ian focus too much on this whole mage thing.

Or maybe some people misinterpret things. Just because people do not agree doesn't mean that people aren't friends in this community despite disagreeing about mages and templars. It's a discussion about a fictional setting, nothing more.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 12 avril 2011 - 06:48 .

[Mahtisonni]

Even anarchy is better than a theocratic military rule.

For some reason people only see two extremes.

Either Tevinter where mages keep slaves or Chantry/Qunari way where mages are kept as slaves.
Actually in Qunari lands being a slave would actually be upgrade for mage.

Why can't people have equal rights at least to some extent like in most civilized countries? People can make bombs out of household materials and even if you don't know how to, you can google those and find out soon enough. Hell this option has existed ever since they put chemistry books to library.

If you have problem on siding with mages just think about it this way.
Your brother has killed 50 people in a mall with a machinepistol made out of metal scrap and homemade bombs.

You also know the theory of how to make a similiar weapons. Should you be killed and/or imprisoned as well to protect the others?

Modifié par Mahtisonni, 12 avril 2011 - 06:44 .

[LobselVith8]

Torax wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Well, there was the race issue with "Prince of Persia," where a white actor was hired to play a dark skinned fictional Persian character, and the uproar over white actors being hired to play dark skinned characters in the Last Airbender. It seems to happen time and again, and I can see why some people take issue with the way that people are portrayed in the medium of entertainment.

Wouldn't it have made more sense in that sort of context that Alain would have been the bad guy and not Grace? This is not the case. They made the darker skinned guy one of the nice mages. That is counter to an argument of racism is it not? Painting the darker skinned people as friends. Isabela and Alain?

I never provided an opinion on the race issue that was brought up in this thread. I honestly don't remember there being as many diverse people in DA2 as DA:O, especially since I remember elves also having skin tones that were similar to the humans from Antiva and Rivain, but the original covered a nation while the sequel addresses a single city-state.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 12 avril 2011 - 06:46 .

[Peer of the Empire]

Mahtisonni wrote...
Your brother has killed 50 people in a mall with a machinepistol made out of metal scrap and homemade bombs.

You also know the theory of how to make a similiar weapons. Should you be killed and/or imprisoned as well to protect the others?

Mages are at high risk of demonic possession. They have the temptation of blood magic. In pursuing nefarious designs, they are well equipped. Yes, I would certainly pay more attention to the fellow who knows how to make bombs and is likely to use them.

The price of freedom will not only be the blood of tens of thousands, mage and templar, but also soldier and civilian, as blood mages are loosed upon the general populace.

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 12 avril 2011 - 06:48 .

[Torax]

Lob you posted in the Merrill thread to try and see if the Dalish would support the mages cause Merrill was fighting along side Hawke. Wasn't that your question? Well the Dalish think of them as Shemlen. They don't like Shemlen. To think they'd care about it either way is naive. You didn't like that idea. But the Dalish are very insular and do not care about what would happen in a place Kirkwall. Templars killing mages would have most of them thinking "Shemlen killing Shemlen.". You may not agree with that idea. But what was your purpose otherwise?

[Rifneno]

Torax wrote...

Lob you posted in the Merrill thread to try and see if the Dalish would support the mages cause Merrill was fighting along side Hawke. Wasn't that your question? Well the Dalish think of them as Shemlen. They don't like Shemlen. To think they'd care about it either way is naive. You didn't like that idea. But the Dalish are very insular and do not care about what would happen in a place Kirkwall. Templars killing mages would have most of them thinking "Shemlen killing Shemlen.". You may not agree with that idea. But what was your purpose otherwise?

The Dalish are racist douches who don't care about the lives of anyone with slightly different DNA?  Who knew?!

[LobselVith8]

Torax wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I heard the expiration date was March 31, 2012, but I was able to download the Stone Prisoner long after the DLC had expired, so I was wondering if the same was true for Dead Space 2. I was curious, and I asked in a few other forums, but nobody seemed to know. I figured enough people here have a great deal of knowledge about the game and might know the answer.

If you registered it before then you should be able to. Is it not an option on the PSN?

Apparently, it's supposed to be automatic once you're logged on with your account and play the game on the PS3 as opposed to using a specific code. I was thinking of getting the sequel because I liked its predecessor, and I rememebred that the Ser Isaac armor set comes with it. I've been thinking of going rogue this time as Hawke and figured it'd work well for me, but I noticed the expiration date when I was looking up information for the armor set. 
I thought I'd save myself the headache to find out if it's still avaliable.

[Torax]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Torax wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Well, there was the race issue with "Prince of Persia," where a white actor was hired to play a dark skinned fictional Persian character, and the uproar over white actors being hired to play dark skinned characters in the Last Airbender. It seems to happen time and again, and I can see why some people take issue with the way that people are portrayed in the medium of entertainment.

Wouldn't it have made more sense in that sort of context that Alain would have been the bad guy and not Grace? This is not the case. They made the darker skinned guy one of the nice mages. That is counter to an argument of racism is it not? Painting the darker skinned people as friends. Isabela and Alain?

I never provided an opinion on the race issue that was brought up in this thread. I honestly don't remember there being as many diverse people in DA2 as DA:O, especially since I remember elves also having skin tones that were similar to the humans from Antiva and Rivain, but the original covered a nation while the sequel addresses a single city-state.

You didn't bring up your own opinion. I'm just pointing out that at least in the context of this thread if a prince of persia and white people playing other races. I was simply bringing it back to the game. That Alain was a darker skinned person who was shown in a good light despite it all. Ian was trying to imply that Alain was made darker skin so people would not side with him. Trying to use some media based form of racism and then trying to act like it's separate of the topic? No that won't work.

[LobselVith8]

Torax wrote...

Lob you posted in the Merrill thread to try and see if the Dalish would support the mages cause Merrill was fighting along side Hawke.

No, I asked how the Dalish clans would react to Merrill taking on the templars given their history, if there would be any reaction at all. I repeatedly told you it had nothing to do with the Circles of Magi or the mages themselves. The Dalish have a history with the templars from the fall of the Dales and the codex from the Dalish Warden, and what I was asking was whether Merrill would become a "Hawke" for the Dalish if she successfully took on the templars and lived in the same way Hawke can for either the mages or the templars. I simply didn't introduce a scenerio for Merrill supporting the templars because the Dalish have an antagonistic relationship with them, given how the templars hunt apostates, including the Keepers of the clan.

As I said, people can make mistakes.

[Torax]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Torax wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I heard the expiration date was March 31, 2012, but I was able to download the Stone Prisoner long after the DLC had expired, so I was wondering if the same was true for Dead Space 2. I was curious, and I asked in a few other forums, but nobody seemed to know. I figured enough people here have a great deal of knowledge about the game and might know the answer.

If you registered it before then you should be able to. Is it not an option on the PSN?

Apparently, it's supposed to be automatic once you're logged on with your account and play the game on the PS3 as opposed to using a specific code. I was thinking of getting the sequel because I liked its predecessor, and I rememebred that the Ser Isaac armor set comes with it. I've been thinking of going rogue this time as Hawke and figured it'd work well for me, but I noticed the expiration date when I was looking up information for the armor set. 
I thought I'd save myself the headache to find out if it's still avaliable.

From what it says the code is just in your dead space 2 box. I'm not sure it truly can expire as long as a box still has a code in it.

[Nerys]

Funny, I feel the polar opposite than the OP. I have a really hard time siding with the templars. I just feel like the mages are innocent until proven guilty. Plenty of time to jail them, make them tranquil, or kill them, if they are TRULY guilty of a crime.
Of course I have a devil of a time punishing the most guilty mage in the game. Dammit Anders!