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[Fieryeel]

Strange...ppl were complaining about there being absolutely no mention or hint of her "demise" in DA2. Turns out there was. This is not my video, and I allowed Leliana to live, so I assume the people who were complaining had bugged flags just like Zevran popping up, even though he died in DA:O.

Also to note, David Gaider claimed there was still an unrevealed reason as to why Leliana somehow survived/retconned the events of sacred ashes.

Why did I feel the need to make another thread? Because not enough people are aware that Leliana herself talks about her "death".

[Gamer Ftw]

Wow thats weird good find!

[ThatDancingTurian]

I think that may be if the Warden didn't recruit her at all. She called her Sister Leliana, it could be she assumed she had died in Lothering's destruction.

[Maria Caliban]

Fieryeel wrote...

Also to note, David Gaider claimed there was still an unrevealed reason as to why Leliana somehow survived/retconned the events of sacred ashes.

She joined with a spirit.

The same way *everyone* who survives death does so.

[Fieryeel]

There is more than Leliana than we expected. Turns out Revered Mother Dorothea, the one who rescued her from Leliana's Song, is in fact the Divine.

Chances are, Leliana's been a seeker from even before DA:O, and could have been fooling your Warden all along.

[Dengarde]

I have to agree with Aris. It certainly sounds like Hawke remembers her as a sister of Lothering rather then a companion of the warden.The death they speaking was probably the attack on lothering rather then then her death at the wardens hands.

[Torax]

Fieryeel wrote...

There is more than Leliana than we expected. Turns out Revered Mother Dorothea, the one who rescued her from Leliana's Song, is in fact the Divine.

Chances are, Leliana's been a seeker from even before DA:O, and could have been fooling your Warden all along.

Except that it's like 3-4 years after the Blight that Justinia becomes the Divine. She was just a Revered-Mother.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...

Also to note, David Gaider claimed there was still an unrevealed reason as to why Leliana somehow survived/retconned the events of sacred ashes.

She joined with a spirit.

The same way *everyone* who survives death does so.

Stop spreading lies. She's the OGB. That's how everyone who survives death does so.

Leliana - the OGB.

Anders - the OGB.

Duncan - the OGB.

Maria - the OGB.

See how it works?

[Yrkoon]

Fieryeel wrote...

There is more than Leliana than we expected. Turns out Revered Mother Dorothea, the one who rescued her from Leliana's Song, is in fact the Divine.

WAS the divine.  She died  shortly after the events of DA:O.  Justinia is now the Divine, and Leliana is her left hand...

  But nevermind DA:O.  Right now, I'm still wondering if Lelianna was even a seeker  at the time she meets Hawke in DA2.    We do see her exchange  'familiar' words with Cassandra at the very end of the game, but that's way into the future,

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 avril 2011 - 11:25 .

[Aradace]

It's still lame and still feels soap opera'ish IMO. But, I'll get over it in time. Still wont like it, but I suppose if that's what BW wants to do, that's their business. Still doesnt make me like Leliana OR Anders. I didnt even "kill" Anders in Awakening but I still hate him now simply for the whole "brought back from the dead" bit.

Modifié par Aradace, 11 avril 2011 - 11:16 .

[sharkheart]

She just got better that's all.

[Aradace]

jollyorigins wrote...

I don't know why everyone is whining about Leliana being canon, most of these people probably have her alive and well on their play through of Origins anyway.

You'd be wrong in my case lol.  She's dead in every one of my Origins files.  But as I said, I'll get over it eventually.  Doesnt mean I have to like it.  I'll still feel it was cheesy even if were my favorite character brought back to life and still be just as against it.  

[Maria Caliban]

Yrkoon wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...

There is more than Leliana than we expected. Turns out Revered Mother Dorothea, the one who rescued her from Leliana's Song, is in fact the Divine.

WAS the divine.  She died  shortly after the events of DA:O.  Justinia is now the Divine, and Leliana is her left hand...

Beatrix was the previous Divine. When she died (9:34), Dorothea became the Divine Justina V.

http://dragonage.wik...Mother_Dorothea

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 avril 2011 - 11:50 .

[GenericPlayer2]

I saw that dialogue in my last play through. Leliana, like the OGB, is just another example of how BioWare cheapens player choices in the games. If Leliana was always going to be alive, there is no good reason for the player to have an option to kill her.

[jmbrosendo]

Slightly off topic, but more out of curiosity, regarding retcon's. If you played BG1 and BG2 you'll know precisely what I'm referring to.

First playthrough BG1, Montaron and Xzar clashed with Jaheira and Khalid, the latter two died. Minsc and Dynaheir died too, as I sided with Edwin. Told Imoen to get lost at the beginning as well. Xzar met his untimely fate as I decided later on one mage was enough.

I only mention the above because beginning of BG2, there's Jaheira, Minsc and Imoen all locked up with you, and talking as if you been traveling together all this time. Plus Dynaheir was killed by whomever imprisoned you, Khalid is found dead later on. All assumedly have been traveling with you for along time.


Compared to that I am truly willing to believe Leliana was miraculously ressurected for defending the Ashes, or that She survived Lothering (even if presumed dead), then met the Warden after the Blight, or some other out of screen event. Does not bother me that much at all. It is a world of fantasy, magic and with gods afterall.

[GenericPlayer2]

jmbrosendo wrote...
Compared to that I am truly willing to believe Leliana was miraculously ressurected for defending the Ashes, or that She survived Lothering (even if presumed dead), then met the Warden after the Blight, or some other out of screen event. Does not bother me that much at all. It is a world of fantasy, magic and with gods afterall.

I could only accept this if they explain the mechanism by which she was raised from the dead. It has to be something more than 'The Maker'. The story remains pretty ambiguous about whether the Maker really exists or even if the ashes have true power or if its the power of the lyrium veins going through the mountain. That ambiguity is fine, it adds to the mystery. However, remaining ambiguous on how Leliana came back from the dead is far more annoying than it is mysterious.

Whats the official explaination (if any) for OGB if you turn down Morrigan and have Alistair/Loghain kill the Archdemon?

[Addai]

Fieryeel wrote...

There is more than Leliana than we expected. Turns out Revered Mother Dorothea, the one who rescued her from Leliana's Song, is in fact the Divine.

Chances are, Leliana's been a seeker from even before DA:O, and could have been fooling your Warden all along.

I thought she was operating as a bard the whole time, but this works too.

Aren't conspiracy theories grand. 

[Maria13]

Well, Leliana is always frank about bards multi-tasking, if not about her own connections...

[sephiroth199127]

sharkheart wrote...

She just got better that's all.

Thats why we must burn her, Their will need to be a DLC about the great burnings of the kirkwall 

[Brockololly]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I think that may be if the Warden didn't recruit her at all. She called her Sister Leliana, it could be she assumed she had died in Lothering's destruction.

Probably, considering how Hawke addresses her only as Sister Leliana from Lothering and not as the famous Leliana who traveled with the Hero of Ferelden.

[EthanDirtch]

Yeah, I agree with others here that Hawke was referring to Leliana as the lay sister in Lothering, not as the companion to the Hero of Ferelden.

As an aside, what is OGB and what do the letters stand for?

[Fluffyfiend]

I had her alive in my DA:O save and she mentions traveling with the Warden "But that was years ago" was her response when asked about it.

[CrookedAsylum]

EthanDirtch wrote...

Yeah, I agree with others here that Hawke was referring to Leliana as the lay sister in Lothering, not as the companion to the Hero of Ferelden.

As an aside, what is OGB and what do the letters stand for?

Morrigan's Old God Baby that happens sort of regardless of whether or not your Warden slept with her.

[Knight of Dane]

Fieryeel wrote...

There is more than Leliana than we expected. Turns out Revered Mother Dorothea, the one who rescued her from Leliana's Song, is in fact the Divine.

Chances are, Leliana's been a seeker from even before DA:O, and could have been fooling your Warden all along.

I thought the Seekers of the chantry was founded after the last battle in kirkwall and both mages and templars rebelled..