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[ladyofpayne]

Avaline- in rival she beat Hawke, funny.
Fenris - Rivalry
Anders -Rivalry
I never forget their smash on the wall and hatekiss.

[einherjar81]

Yeah, I dunno about all this... I prefer the rivalry path for certain characters (meta-game issues aside) Isabella, for instance, seems to grow more through the rivalry than she does through friendship. Anders is a douche either way. Fenris mellows out through his friendship. I've rivaledMerrill on one playthrough, and I missedthe warm, fuzzy feeling I get having her as a friend.

[Addai]

I have never gotten the siblings or Aveline to full anything. They're just not in my party enough.

With Merrill, I'm not satisfied with either route. Friendship keeps her on a dangerous path and rivalry feels like a parent witholding toys and putting her on timeout. "Help the alienage" or "keep studying elven history" seems like such an obvious thing to have to tell someone. She's just a mess and I'd rather not deal with it at all. Ditto with Anders really. Go blow up your Chantry and we'll see you on the flip side for your murder knifing.

Varric gives rivalry for being either too diplomatic or too aggressive. You could rp as seeing him too slick and sort of useless and irresponsible. ....nah, I can't rival the guy.

Fenris is way hot on the rivalry path and seems sadder to me on the friendship path, so I prefer rivalry.

[silver-crescent]

I for one think friendship is actually better (or if not strictly better, then the same as rivalry) for all characters except Sebastian.

[Eveangaline]

I do have to admit, my rivalry run was a lot more fun than I expected. I do have to say I loved it more than the friendships (not that the friendships weren't great, they were)

my only problem is I wasn't able to rival fenris and Anders at the same time.

[LobselVith8]

I don't see the point to rivalry with Merrill unless you don't condone blood magic. Merrill is able to proficiently use it for several years, she's constructing an Eluvian from a single shard and all of the lore she's gathered, and she aids Hawke in his adventures without being corrupted by magic or turning into an abomination. I don't see blood magic as evil, and I'm not interested in seeing Hawke demand that an expert on Dalish lore stop constructing an elven artifact when he is completely ignorant of what she's doing.

[DragonRacer]

sleepingbelow wrote...

So, I've been doing a couple playthroughs and watching some others on youtube, and comparing and contrasting Friendship and Rivalry.  Companions seem to, for the most part, grow more as people when you take them down the Rivalry path.  Except for Varric.  Anders seems to recognize Justice's influence towards the end, Fenris confronts his rage, Merrill has somebody to keep her in check when she rushes headlong into demonic danger, Isabela develops a conscience, Sebastian faces up to his responsibilities, etc.

Varric just gets petty and passive aggressive.  What's more, to build him towards Rivalry, you have to be a total turd sandwich.  Nobody really learns anything, they just decide to tolerate each other.  Which contrasts the Friendship path, being one of emotional growth and totally awesome bromance.

I could be convinced otherwise and wanted to hear some dissenting opinions.  For some of the companions I'm still on the fence, but I'm still leaning towards always favoring rivalry.  For instance, with Aveline, usually there is nothing healthy about provoking a fist fight with your friends, but it seems to be the way to confront her on her pride.

Sebastian always sort ends up a little bit of a mess there at the end but I blame Justice/Vengeance.

Plus, Rivalry bonuses are usually better, IMO.

Varric, apparently, is my anti-rival. Because it's coming across as very hard to rival him, for me.

Explanation:

My first Hawke was dominantly sarcastic/charming, with some angelic good thrown in. She had a total BFF relationship with Varric. Like, 100% friendship near beginning of Act 2. Sealed the deal when we spared Bartrand and put him up in a nice sanitarium. Varric seemed at peace with that. Good times.

Now I'm playing my aggressive Hawke. All red answers, all the time. To everyone (except for Merrill, who he rival-manced, but still mostly gives "angelic/oak leaf" response to). He's... not a complete turd sandwich, but he's definitely very blunt and not the, uh, nicest person. He's pretty much rivaling EVERYBODY (except Fenris, who apparently likes the red responses and agrees with this Hawke's "mages are ew" viewpoint, so Mr. Glow Boy is 100% friendship... pretty much total opposite of my first playthrough, where he haaaaaated myyyy guuuuuts for being a mage lover - literally, as the case with Anders may be  ... and pretty much hissed and spat like a cat anytime Hawke opened her mouth).

He'd managed to get Varric about half-way down the rivalry path by middle of Act 2. I thought, "Hey, getting somewhere!" Then, I did his "Family Matters" quest last night. I figured -- being already well down the rivalry path -- that picking the total opposite options from Hawke # 1 would net more rivalry. So, Aggressive Hawke totally pushes Varric towards killing Bartrand. That netted +15 FRIENDSHIP. Had a talk about it outside the house and said, basically, (red response) "You did what you had to do." Good job murdering your brother in vengeance. Netted another +15 FRIENDSHIP and put me right back square in the neutral middle of the friendship/rivalry bar.

All that work for almost two acts just to try and reach 50% rivalry... totally wiped away with two actions. And actions I figured Varric WOULDN'T like.

What is this I don't even? 

Like I said, Varric is my anti-rival. Totally un-rival-able. You can try, but when you least except it, he will throw ninja friendship points at you and go back to at least neutral. My mind is officially blown.

[Addai]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't see the point to rivalry with Merrill unless you don't condone blood magic. Merrill is able to proficiently use it for several years, she's constructing an Eluvian from a single shard and all of the lore she's gathered, and she aids Hawke in his adventures without being corrupted by magic or turning into an abomination. I don't see blood magic as evil, and I'm not interested in seeing Hawke demand that an expert on Dalish lore stop constructing an elven artifact when he is completely ignorant of what she's doing.

She doesn't come across as all that expert, especially given the fact that her entire clan is against what she's doing.  So you can rival her as the better part of caution.  Or take the word of Anders that she "knows nothing of spirits", since he's got a bit of experience with that.  Though naturally you can also see him as being hypocritical there.

But, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either, and hence why I say I'd rather stay out of it completely.  Why would I go through all the trouble of getting the arulin holm only to keep it from her?

[Gilsa]

I've rivaled all of the companions to see how different their personalities would be. The only thing that really disappoints me is that rivaling Merrill makes absolutely no difference in the outcome with the Keeper.

[highcastle]

I'm only a fan of rivalry in the case of Sebastian and Merrill. With Fenris, nothing really seems to change. He never comes out and admits magic isn't to blame for every freakin' thing that goes wrong in his life, which was the main reason I rivaled him. Plus, maxing out the path early involves being a jerk to a guy who's been in slavery his whole life. I can't get behind that.

With Anders, I certainly don't approve of Justice's actions and would love to tell him this...without him acting like I don't care about mages. But I do. I agree with Anders' cause, just not his methods, and sadly the rivalry path doesn't reflect that. So I keep him as my friend and really the betrayal at the end (especially in the romance arc) seems so much sadder on that path anyway.

Isabela grows and learns no matter which path you take. As long as she comes back with the relic, she eventually learns to be a bit less selfish. And during the friendship path you have great banter, whereas she seems to snipe a bit more on the rivalry path.

Aveline and Varric both grow increasingly irritable on the rivalry path. Plus, they're so darn easy to please. It seems like you have to be the scum of Thedas to become rivals with either of them, and I just have a hard time being a jerk in a game or out of it (I know; I'm a weird).

Sebastian and Merrill, on the other hand, can both be rivaled without being jerks to them. Indeed, for these two it seems like the rivalry path is actually a bit kinder.

[Ryzaki]

highcastle wrote...

I'm only a fan of rivalry in the case of Sebastian and Merrill. With Fenris, nothing really seems to change. He never comes out and admits magic isn't to blame for every freakin' thing that goes wrong in his life, which was the main reason I rivaled him. Plus, maxing out the path early involves being a jerk to a guy who's been in slavery his whole life. I can't get behind that.

With Anders, I certainly don't approve of Justice's actions and would love to tell him this...without him acting like I don't care about mages. But I do. I agree with Anders' cause, just not his methods, and sadly the rivalry path doesn't reflect that. So I keep him as my friend and really the betrayal at the end (especially in the romance arc) seems so much sadder on that path anyway.

Isabela grows and learns no matter which path you take. As long as she comes back with the relic, she eventually learns to be a bit less selfish. And during the friendship path you have great banter, whereas she seems to snipe a bit more on the rivalry path.

Aveline and Varric both grow increasingly irritable on the rivalry path. Plus, they're so darn easy to please. It seems like you have to be the scum of Thedas to become rivals with either of them, and I just have a hard time being a jerk in a game or out of it (I know; I'm a weird).

Sebastian and Merrill, on the other hand, can both be rivaled without being jerks to them. Indeed, for these two it seems like the rivalry path is actually a bit kinder.

No no it doesn't. 

I was far more of a jerk to him on the friendship path than anything.

[noxsachi]

Ryzaki wrote...

highcastle wrote...

I'm only a fan of rivalry in the case of Sebastian and Merrill. With Fenris, nothing really seems to change. He never comes out and admits magic isn't to blame for every freakin' thing that goes wrong in his life, which was the main reason I rivaled him. Plus, maxing out the path early involves being a jerk to a guy who's been in slavery his whole life. I can't get behind that.

With Anders, I certainly don't approve of Justice's actions and would love to tell him this...without him acting like I don't care about mages. But I do. I agree with Anders' cause, just not his methods, and sadly the rivalry path doesn't reflect that. So I keep him as my friend and really the betrayal at the end (especially in the romance arc) seems so much sadder on that path anyway.

Isabela grows and learns no matter which path you take. As long as she comes back with the relic, she eventually learns to be a bit less selfish. And during the friendship path you have great banter, whereas she seems to snipe a bit more on the rivalry path.

Aveline and Varric both grow increasingly irritable on the rivalry path. Plus, they're so darn easy to please. It seems like you have to be the scum of Thedas to become rivals with either of them, and I just have a hard time being a jerk in a game or out of it (I know; I'm a weird).

Sebastian and Merrill, on the other hand, can both be rivaled without being jerks to them. Indeed, for these two it seems like the rivalry path is actually a bit kinder.

No no it doesn't. 

I was far more of a jerk to him on the friendship path than anything.

That makes me kinda curious to be honest. In order to get any rivalry gains in the main convo's you do have to be a jerk, tell him to shut up, that you don't care about him, etc. Which was really jarring to me. I mean I know you can just be pro-Mage and run around with him in your party, but it still sucks that the only way to get rivalry from his main convos is to be a jerk, unless you know a secret that I don't.

[LobselVith8]

Addai67 wrote...

She doesn't come across as all that expert, especially given the fact that her entire clan is against what she's doing.  So you can rival her as the better part of caution.  Or take the word of Anders that she "knows nothing of spirits", since he's got a bit of experience with that.  Though naturally you can also see him as being hypocritical there.

But, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either, and hence why I say I'd rather stay out of it completely.  Why would I go through all the trouble of getting the arulin holm only to keep it from her?

She builds an entire Eluvian from a single shard and the lore she gathered - that speaks of a degree of intellect to me. As for the clan, they don't appear to be privy to the same knowledge that she does. Merrill make s a point to say she was studying the history of the People and they weren't because she was being raised to be Keeper of the Clan as First. As for Anders, he thinks that she knows nothing of spirits and demons because she doesn't adhere to the Andrastian faith and view of them being the Maker's children.

[Sherbet Lemon]

highcastle wrote...

I'm only a fan of rivalry in the case of Sebastian and Merrill. With Fenris, nothing really seems to change. He never comes out and admits magic isn't to blame for every freakin' thing that goes wrong in his life, which was the main reason I rivaled him. Plus, maxing out the path early involves being a jerk to a guy who's been in slavery his whole life. I can't get behind that.

I'm wondering what do you mean by "being a jerk?  I'm just curious as maybe I'm misunderstanding your meaning.  My Hawke that rivaled him was a mage who chose mostly the sarcastic/diplomatic options.  She was rarely aggressive and was not sympathetic toward slavers. 

I respectfully disagree also with the assertion that he doesn't change.  On the rivalry path, the question about blaming magic isn't even present and he further states that this hatred "is poison and yet I continue to swallow it."  He muses that perhaps it is time to let go and further admits that there is no one left to blame.  He says "what I have done, I have done to myself."  You don't get this dialogue at ALL on the friendship path.  It's a subtle difference, but it is there.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 11 avril 2011 - 08:52 .

[TheAwesomologist]

I've only been able to successfully Rival Sebastian, and even then that was hard if you stick to Paragon/Purple-sarcastic-charming guy tones.
Isabella was the last to get to full friendship but was easy to get to 50% to keep her around.
Aveline, while occasionally getting upset with me, was a full Friend pretty quickly.
Varric's the man.
Anders I really wanted to rival but when I'm pro-mage its hard. I ALWAYS kill him in the end though so justice is served oddly enough.
Fenris I never really use that much since he's an unreliable tank. But I try to be nice to the former slave so he always ends up as a friend (not always 100% but enough so that he returns to me once he realizes that Meredith is bat-sh*t crazy.
Merrill I can't bring myself to smother and scold, and besides anyone who's played DA:O knows that it isn't Blood Magic thats evil, but weak people who resort to blood magic that are evil. Besides She's a rock star in Act 2 and 3 if you build/respec her right.
Bethany is easy to get to full friendship. I don't think there's enough of a chance to rival her.
Carver I can get half-way up the friendship path which is enough to trigger friend responses.

[Peer of the Empire]

I watch Anders like a Templar. Rivals for life!

[Saephy]

Played through the game a few times with different Hawkes, got to say I love the Friendship/Rivalry system it is really the only thing that does much for replayability from my perspective.
I don`t care about the combat bonuses, I´m really only interested in the interaction and characters anyway.

Anders :
I find Rivalry to be a bit more fulfilling to me as a player for the reasons the OP mentioned, the only thing that I find a bit annoying here is that due to role playing and dialogue limitations, rivalry points can be somewhat "difficult" to earn unless you`re playing a douche-Hawke or "yay templars!"-Hawke, as quite a few posters point out.
You do get some conversation that helps fleshing out your Hawke later on, such as saying you support his cause, but question his methods, but you need to make some contradictory choices or say some rather harsh things to get the points for this to even occur, which breaks immersion.
I ran the Friendship path with a romance on my first playthrough (unintentionally, as I make a point of not using guides/spoilers for initial playthroughs), for all the sweetness of the friendship path, I found it highly dissatisfying from a player perspective that if you go this way it seems that Anders and Hawke are perfectly happy with him being slowly wiped out by Vengeance and agree IN FULL with all he does.

I do understand that the point of rivalry/friendship is to infer, amongst other things, agreement and disagreement, but being a friend doesn`t mean agreeing on everything, as being a rival doesn`t mean disagreeing on everything.
It is difficult to implement such nuances in a game though I suppose, but still, would really have liked to see less presumptions then.

To be honest going the friendship path I didn`t even realize he had lost, or was even struggling all that much against Vengeance until he blew up the chantry.
I only found out afterwards, when reading the codex which states he has been losing the struggle all along.
You do notice he becomes less fun and more "moody" in chapter 3, but I attributed this to the whole "being possessed" and thought he was probably just having some bad days and figured he should be cut some slack.
It´s the extra information and character development from rivalry that makes it vastly superior to the friendship in my eyes, even if I need to sometimes bend some RPing "rules" in the process.
But if it´s actually better for him , I´m undecided.
He is pretty badly off no matter what as in; he will be lost to Vengeance either way.
It seems as a friend he doesn`t realize it or that he is happy about it, which you could argue is better for him, as it would mean he is at least happy in his last conscious moments, knowing he is slowly fading away while being unable to stop it could potentially mean he gets to spend those same moments in anguish or despair or what have you.
On the other hand, that he recognizes Vengeance influence could potentially mean he could prevent it or control it, although he says Vengeance is too strong, so who knows.
Ultimately it depends on whether or not Vengeance can be exorcised. 
If he can, then rivalry is better, if not, how much good does it do for anyone whether or not Anders knows?
As for everyone else, it is irrelevant, the only thing that would have made a difference is if Anders hadn`t chosen to merge with Justice to begin with, or if Anders could control or exorcise Vengeance.
Regardless of what path you take, Anders himself expresses gratitude and happiness at the relationship itself, be it platonic or romantic.

Fenris :
I personally prefer his Friendship path by far, I´ll admit to not having completed the Rivalry romance yet however, I have only played the rivalry one up until he leaves Hawke.

It is more of a personal preference I think, as I hear people call the rivalmance filled with "hot" tension, but I felt that it wasn`t so much "hot" and "saucy", but rather "hateful" and "abusive".
I did imagine Hawke and Fenris having some conversations that didn`t necessarily end in yelling and throwing furniture around, but from what I played I still felt that Fenris in a rivalmance is overall miserable, it`s as much a tragedy and self-destructive as the Anders romance, and he doesn`t seem to be happy or find any sort of joy in his relationship with Hawke, but just "can`t help himself" presumably because of all the "hotness"?

I found the friendship romance very sweet, almost too sweet, but very satisfying, and have completed that one twice.
After reading here though, I´ll definitely give rivalmance another whirl, maybe the parts I haven`t played smoothes it over a bit.
But as it stands it seems Fenris seems better off with a friend, from what I´ve seen he seems more content and "at peace" in a relationship which has less arguments and flying furniture, he also has his hands full already facing and dealing with his rage, and really doesn`t need the addition.

Varric :
I have been unable to rival him as of yet, mostly because none of my Hawkes have been the types to be his rivals.Neither him nor Isabela are the judgmental types either from what I´ve seen in my playthroughs so far, and thus are generally stingy on the rival points unless you actively go for the Direct/Aggressive/Rude responses in their private conversations.
As a player I greatly enjoy his friendship path however, and after reading here I can`t say playing the rival path is high on my priority-list.
I have a hard time picturing his relation to Hawke, be it friend or rival , as having great impact on his life or wellbeing - Hawke does have an impact, but rival or not doesn`t.

Isabela :
Same as with Varric, getting the bug hot-fix is a must though.

Aveline :
Only played friendship, as a player I find this enjoyable and fitting to my Hawkes so far.
I had hoped rivalry would be satisfactory too, as I do have some character ideas that should take me down that path.
I`m fairly sure whether Hawke is a friend or rival doesn`t really have a great impact on Avelines life either, her life is also one of the more stable ones, with a steady job, a husband and a white picket fence.
I think she appreciates a Hawke-friend more than a rival though, but I haven`t played the rivalry path yet so can`t really back up any claims.

Merrill :
Only played friendship, very intrigued by the rivalry though, I´ve had Hawkes that has been opposed to her Blood Magic, but so far they`ve all caved either through the notion of "she has to realize it for herself", "she won`t listen anyway" or "but she`s so nice and cute, it`ll probably be okay".
Unlike the Anders friendship, the game presumes less upon your friendship, and you can be less than 100% behind her self-destructive and dangerous behaviour and still be her friend, which is ace.

From what I gather it doesn`t have a great impact on Merrills situation which path you take, her keeper still dies, as does her entire clan or they exile her forever and will kill her on sight.
However it is probably best for her if you discourage the use Blood Magic if she eventually listens, to prevent future harm, as basically her life falls pretty much to pieces mainly due to her use of Blood magic or as a direct or indirect consequence thereof.
Probably also best for her future surroundings, since well having demons (or one who deals with them) in the neighbourhood could be considered something of a safety risk.
She does seem to appreciate a friend more than a rival though, from what I´ve read she apparently calls you a liar and tells you to leave her house if you rival her and don`t have an active romance with her.

Carver :
Only played Rivalry, mainly because the game starts you out with a big, fat bonus here, I´m not sure you can actually get him to full friendship in the game?
As a player I really like Carver, and I think Biowares presentation of the Hawkes sibling-rivalry is great.
If someone can tell me that getting him to full friendship is actually possible, I might try it, more as an experiment though than anything else.
Carver doesn`t seem to enjoy the rivalry much, and he would probably prefer being friends, despite the fact the rivalry is as much on his head as Hawkes.

Bethany :
Only played Friendship, as with Carver she starts out with a huge boost to friendship I believe?I find her to be a much less interesting character than most of the companions, and her interaction is also less interesting overall.Her interaction with Hawke is the exception, that interaction is very good, but I guess I just enjoy Carvers more.She seems like a natural friend though, and I have a hard time picturing how a rivalry would be, and she herself seems very content with the friendship.

Sebastian :
Only played with him once, and that was friendship.
I exclude him from my playthroughs on purpose, partly because I don`t like his character much from the one playthrough I did with him, but mainly because of his "intervention" at the "chantry-boom", since I normally keep Anders alive here, even if I later imagine Hawke kills him (I´ve ranted about this elsewhere on these forums before). 
I prefer to do his first quest (meta decision for money, loot and xp) then imagine he has an epiphany from the maker or something and decides to go back to Starkhaven or be a priest without Hawkes help. 
Alternatively with the would-be assassins dead he decides to become a wandering nomad, helping people in the name of the maker by stealing from the rich and giving to the poor, or he opens up an orphanage where he teaches children to read and juggle so they can get a better chance at finding work when they grow up, again without Hawkes assistance.
He`s not a badly written character or anything, but personally I find him uninteresting and boring, he`s a nice, pleasant enough guy, but as Varric points out he "can`t even pretend to be interesting".He`s also a giant hypocrite, but unlike the other hypocrites in your merry band of misfits, he is neither funny nor interesting.
This is personal interpretation and I know a lot of people like him so not meaning to derail the thread, I would like to try a run with him as rival, if someone can say he`s more interesting to be around then?
Whether it is better for him to be a friend or rival, I believe he says himself he prefers being a priest and only really considers going back to Starkhaven through some sense of duty or obligation, however I can`t say much due to not having played with him enough, nor comment on whether or not Starkhaven or the Chantry is better off with or without him.

Modifié par Saephy, 11 avril 2011 - 09:55 .

[The Baconer]

LobselVith8 wrote...

She builds an entire Eluvian from a single shard and the lore she gathered - that speaks of a degree of intellect to me. As for the clan, they don't appear to be privy to the same knowledge that she does. Merrill make s a point to say she was studying the history of the People and they weren't because she was being raised to be Keeper of the Clan as First. As for Anders, he thinks that she knows nothing of spirits and demons because she doesn't adhere to the Andrastian faith and view of them being the Maker's children.

She got plenty of help from a demon along the way. And she still can't get it to work regardless.

In the end, she knows how to build a mirror. She doesn't know how to build an Eluvian.

[Ryzaki]

noxsachi wrote..
That makes me kinda curious to be honest. In order to get any rivalry gains in the main convo's you do have to be a jerk, tell him to shut up, that you don't care about him, etc. Which was really jarring to me. I mean I know you can just be pro-Mage and run around with him in your party, but it still sucks that the only way to get rivalry from his main convos is to be a jerk, unless you know a secret that I don't.

The nice thing about this game is the only characters I had to be douches to for rivalry points with were Aveline (and I'm sure there's some way around that) and Varric. Everyone else simply by taking a side in the mages/templars conlict (or being overly helpful) and you can max out their rivalry with ease. 

I was polite and everything in conversations but he utterly hated how nice my character was.   (my character always tried to settle fights by talking things out and I believe I got a 15 rivalry hit for doing that to a group of slavers) And after a while even being nice will still grant yourivalry points if you're sufficently along the rivalry path. (And some cold responses (like telling him to stop whining) got me friendship points). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 avril 2011 - 09:51 .

[ReallyRue]

I love having Merrill and Anders in a rivalry. Digging out bits of their personality that you wouldn't see otherwise. And the Merrill rivalry also feels like Hawke is trying to save her from herself.

Fenris rivalry is also much fun. Mostly because I like playing mages and getting him all riled up.

Varric, Isabela and Aveline I prefer in friendship. I did a rivalry with Aveline once. She beat up poor mageHawke. Never again.

Sebastian usually changes with the character I play. But I seem to meta-game now, knowing the ending, it seems like he might as well be rivalry-d back to Starkhaven.

Modifié par ReallyRue, 11 avril 2011 - 10:07 .

[einherjar81]

Anders :
I find Rivalry to be a bit more fulfilling to me as a player for the reasons the OP mentioned, the only thing that I find a bit annoying here is that due to role playing and dialogue limitations, rivalry points can be somewhat "difficult" to earn unless you`re playing a douche-Hawke or "yay templars!"-Hawke, as quite a few posters point out.

Not sure if this qualifies as being a "douche-Hawke," but if you condone Merrill's use of Blood Magic, and question Anders's decision to merge with Justice, you can fully rival him easily.  You do want to leave him out of the direct "Mage vs. Templar" quests if you're pro-mage.

Bringing him to the Fade gives +5 Friendship, but if you agree to a deal with Torpor, Anders will turn on you, and you get +15 Rivalry.  You don't need to follow through on the deal, after dealing with the Pride and Desire demons you can have Feynriel awaken.  When you talk to Anders afterward, selecting the Red or Purple responses will yield an additional +15 Rivalry.  (The bastard also makes a snarky comment about my poor, sweet Merrill...)  If, however, you tell him that the deal with the demon was a ruse (The star option on the lower left) , he gives +20 friendship points.

Now if someone can tell me the proper way to navigate his Chantry Amulet gift without getting friendship....

Modifié par einherjar81, 11 avril 2011 - 10:15 .

[ReallyRue]

einherjar81 wrote...

Now if someone can tell me the proper way to navigate his Chantry Amulet gift without getting friendship....

Gah, so annoying. Even when picking aggressive options, he always ended up with friendship. These days, I only give it to him if already maxed on rivalry, or if I actually want friendship.

[Addai]

LobselVith8 wrote...
She builds an entire Eluvian from a single shard and the lore she gathered - that speaks of a degree of intellect to me. As for the clan, they don't appear to be privy to the same knowledge that she does. Merrill make s a point to say she was studying the history of the People and they weren't because she was being raised to be Keeper of the Clan as First. As for Anders, he thinks that she knows nothing of spirits and demons because she doesn't adhere to the Andrastian faith and view of them being the Maker's children.

Well, there is Marethari.  She knows at least as much as Merrill does.  Janders has first hand knowledge of demons and spirits, though he does have ulterior motives for maintaining the distinction.

And as someone else pointed out, she didn't really build an eluvian.  She made scrap.

[LT123]

ReallyRue wrote...

einherjar81 wrote...

Now if someone can tell me the proper way to navigate his Chantry Amulet gift without getting friendship....

Gah, so annoying. Even when picking aggressive options, he always ended up with friendship. These days, I only give it to him if already maxed on rivalry, or if I actually want friendship.

It's bugged-right now all you can get is friendship points, no matter what. Hope it gets fixed in the patch.

[tmp7704]

sleepingbelow wrote...

Varric just gets petty and passive aggressive.  What's more, to build him towards Rivalry, you have to be a total turd sandwich.  Nobody really learns anything, they just decide to tolerate each other. 

Varric is simply mentally healthy and free of any obsessions that tend to define the other characters. So to a player who gets a kick out of molding personalities of other people and "fixing" them in accordance with their own idea what's "right" there's nothing there to "work" with.

Personally, i'm rather disappointed none of the rivalry routes apparently ends with the companion getting fed up and telling Hawke to just **** off and quit bothering them like, ever.

Modifié par tmp7704, 11 avril 2011 - 11:28 .