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[ohbailey]

 Come on guys--don't say you don't see the potential. The sexy, angry, forbidden, not-sure-if-want (but-man-who-am-I-kidding-of-course-want) potential.

Discuss.

[noxsachi]

I'm pretty sure that already happened. Also Anders is totally the bottom.

[mesmerizedish]

Fenders is totally a thing in the Anders thread.

[Gamer Ftw]

Hate sex is pure win but alas Fenris is busy with my mage.

[ohbailey]

Aw, man, my bad guys. I didn't mean to repost something already addressed elsewhere--it just seemed like a lot of drama was going down recently in the Anders thread so I didn't really peruse as thoroughly as I should have!

[ThatDancingTurian]

Eh, I could see Anders going for it, but I'm not sure Fenris would. I doubt Fenris would ever get over the abomination thing, just like I think he's too hung up on the blood magic thing to ever consider Merrill an option.

But I like to imagine some of Anders' snide comments are to mask his secret attraction to the elf. I mean, he called him a 'beast'. That doesn't conjure up disgust so much as, "Manhandle me, you beast you!"

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 11 avril 2011 - 04:48 .

[Maria Caliban]

Why does every discussion of queer men quickly turn to who's the bottom or the top?

[ohbailey]

But I like to imagine some of Anders' snide comments are to mask his secret attraction to the elf. I mean, he called him a 'beast'. That doesn't conjure up disgust so much as, "Manhandle me, you beast you!"

Agreed, agreed! I also totally agree that the relationship itself is pretty much impossible in canon. I mean, I can see a Fenris/MageHawke working out by virtue of Hawke not displaying the aspects of mage-hood Fenris detests. But Anders...I mean, I love the guy. He's cute, passionate, means well, but he more or less embodies everything Fenris hates about mages.

Doesn't mean it's not pretty, though. 

Modifié par ohbailey, 11 avril 2011 - 04:53 .

[Trophonius]

Pretty sure it happened already.

Fenris: Bethany, for instance, was not weak.
Anders: You specifically didn't mention me.
Fenris: That's also true.
Anders: I'll prove to you that I'm not weak.

They're rivalmancing each other. That's why Anders seeks Fenris' approval the most.

And to be honest, they're not all that different from each other. Both guys essentially grew up being someone else's property. Danarius owned Fenris while the Circle/Chantry owned Anders. They're also obstinate and unfaltering in their beliefs. If they realized this commonality, the world would be a better place.

Modifié par Trophonius, 11 avril 2011 - 05:49 .

[obnoxiousgas]

All of the companions have in fact had sex with each other. Most of them are just too embarrassed to share this in party banter (and Varric is too much of a gentleman/Isabela has been bribed not to talk about it).

This is what happened and no-one will tell me otherwise.

[ThatDancingTurian]

obnoxiousgas wrote...

All of the companions have in fact had sex with each other. Most of them are just too embarrassed to share this in party banter (and Varric is too much of a gentleman/Isabela has been bribed not to talk about it).

This is what happened and no-one will tell me otherwise.

I don't know about all of the companions, but I certainly can't believe that Hawke, Fenris and Anders (pre-game) are the only ones in the group Isabela got around to.

[mesmerizedish]

ohbailey wrote...

Aw, man, my bad guys. I didn't mean to repost something already addressed elsewhere--it just seemed like a lot of drama was going down recently in the Anders thread so I didn't really peruse as thoroughly as I should have!

Oh no, that's not what I meant at all! I just meant that you're totally not alone in thinking this. While not on the scale of the fabulous Meredanders, Fenders approaches a limited memetic status.

@Maria: I don't know. I think it may have something to do with the fact that there's some uncertainty. With m/f sex, you (almost) always know who's "topping" by the inherent mechanics of the act. With women, when it comes up, it's not very significant. With gay men, though, people can make fun of the bottom for being a pansy or something.

I don't discuss these things with my gay friends very much, but it seems to me like a healthy couple would take turns?

[Gamer Ftw]

Bottoms aren't always submissive look up power bottom.

[Sabariel]

I... don't see it. Sorry.

[vedlingtonii]

They seriously have a hardcore rivalmance going on. Seriously. If Fenris can romance/rivalmance a blood mage Hawke and Anders can romance/rivalmance a templar-loving Hawke, it can happen, and it probably SHOULD happen.

Even the ~thing~ Morrigan and Alistair have going pales in comparison. It's practically canon.

[silver-crescent]

Trophonius wrote...

Pretty sure it happened already.

Fenris: Bethany, for instance, was not weak.
Anders: You specifically didn't mention me.
Fenris: That's also true.
Anders: I'll prove to you that I'm not weak.

They're rivalmancing each other. That's why Anders seeks Fenris' approval the most.

Yes, that is OBVIOUSLY what that conversation implied. This pleases me 

[Addai]

Is there any combination of animate or inanimate objects that is safe from being paired up? Right, I didn't think so. There is the answer to your question.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

Is there any combination of animate or inanimate objects that is safe from being paired up? Right, I didn't think so. There is the answer to your question.

Thank you. I've said it before, but these two are messed up enough on their own. The last thing either of them need is a partner (be it sex or whatever) that despises them to the core, and is despised back with equal vehemence.

I mean, I guess it's not much fun to say "they just hate each other, get over your need to see two hot people ****", but this has been a phenomenon that has always baffled me.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 avril 2011 - 03:34 .

[vedlingtonii]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Is there any combination of animate or inanimate objects that is safe from being paired up? Right, I didn't think so. There is the answer to your question.

Thank you. I've said it before, but these two are messed up enough on their own. The last thing either of them need is a partner (be it sex or whatever) that despises them to the core, and is despised back with equal vehemence.

Except have you rivalmanced either of them?

No?

Because that is almost exactly the kind of relationship they have with Hawke if you rival them -- except it's even more complicated because both of them "look up" and/or are indebted to Hawke in some way.

I would have just shrugged it off as another of my crack pairings if it wasn't for the rival system. Now I remain convinced that it is canon and it was lost somewhere on the cutting room floor.

[SurelyForth]

vedlingtonii wrote...
Except have you rivalmanced either of them?

No?

Because that is almost exactly the kind of relationship they have with Hawke if you rival them -- except it's even more complicated because both of them "look up" and/or are indebted to Hawke in some way.

I would have just shrugged it off as another of my crack pairings if it wasn't for the rival system. Now I remain convinced that it is canon and it was lost somewhere on the cutting room floor.

I have romanced both. Rivalry with Fenris is nowhere near the levels of vitriol that he and Anders have between them. You can still express care and concern and have it not come out badly. On the other hand, Anders would gleefully hand him over to the magisters.

As for Anders, he becomes attached to Hawke for a reason, he's not just floating out in the air waiting to find someone. He has a purpose that he adjusts to accomodate Hawke because Hawke is the first person who sees him for what he is and doesn't run away screaming. The only reason he and Fenris even know each other is through Hawke and there is doubtfully anything that Fenris can do to make himself matter to Anders at all. At least Hawke, even one who is rivaling Anders (a situation which I see as being borderline abusive, depending on how you approach it) is making Kirkwall an overall better place.

And I don't think either would seek out a rivalry romance. Again, they are both so very messed up. It says a lot that Fenris does hook up with Isabela, who is by and far the most angst-free LI. Anders just keeps to himself and hates on the other LIs.

Seriously, just because it might be fapworthy doesn't make it canon.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 avril 2011 - 04:03 .

[Addai]

vedlingtonii wrote...
Except have you rivalmanced either of them?

No?

Because that is almost exactly the kind of relationship they have with Hawke if you rival them -- except it's even more complicated because both of them "look up" and/or are indebted to Hawke in some way.

I would have just shrugged it off as another of my crack pairings if it wasn't for the rival system. Now I remain convinced that it is canon and it was lost somewhere on the cutting room floor.

Well it is another crack pairing, but if I try to indulge it seriously...

I've done Fenris' rival romance and prefer it, but he actually respects Hawke.  When he asks for advice, he says "you're obviously doing something right," and he tells a Hawke mage "you are strong, but not all mages are."  Whereas Anders let a spirit take him over and is on a downward spiral into the mage-hater's worst nightmare.

As with Morrigan and Alistair, sometimes people just intensely dislike each other.  There's no sexual tension, they just hate each other.  But the world of kink meme will pair them anyway and doesn't require it to make sense, so best to leave it in that realm and- if you're into that sort of thing- enjoy it for all its nonsensical-ness.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 avril 2011 - 04:08 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Why does every discussion of queer men quickly turn to who's the bottom or the top?

Hmm...my personal theory...well...

Since our societal norms are stil based around on the idea of male heteronormative privilege as the dominant ideology (I won't say the precursor to that as I don't want to start an argument ), the act of penetration becomes the focus for discussion.  There is a fear of it on some levels and there is also a desire to re-establish gender binaries in order to make sense of the relationship i.e. there MUST be a dominant and therefore we must bring it up as to normalize it. 

Yeah...so..um...*coughs*....

On the topic of  Anders and Fenris...the artwork is lovely to look at...*whistles*...but it would be a very desructive relationship.


EDIT: Oops...fixed some word stuffs.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 11 avril 2011 - 04:28 .

[Weltea]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Eh, I could see Anders going for it, but I'm not sure Fenris would. I doubt Fenris would ever get over the abomination thing, just like I think he's too hung up on the blood magic thing to ever consider Merrill an option.

But I like to imagine some of Anders' snide comments are to mask his secret attraction to the elf. I mean, he called him a 'beast'. That doesn't conjure up disgust so much as, "Manhandle me, you beast you!"

I could see it the other way round. After all,Fenris can be friendromanced with a bloodmagic supporting bloodmage Hawke and has no problems whatsoever with that. I'm sure he could overcome his problems with Anders.
Anders on the other hand grows more and more fanatical as the game goes on and flips out if you even suggest templars might not all deserve to die. Also he's so wound up in freeing mages that even if Hawke is romancing him,there isn't a "real" romance going on. Plus he's happy if Fenris is send back with Danarius.

They do remind me a little bit of Morrigan and Alistair who had some attraction going on in the beginning that vanishes the more companions you get. I always felt that,if they didn't have the Warden between them that thing between them would have envolved into more.
With Anders and Fenris I think something would need to happen in those first years (Act 1) that would require them to spend time together and relay on each other. The only other way I could see something happening is AFTER the last fight,if both of them stick with Hawke ....

Like most, I think this is a great pairing. But, like with Nathaniel,you basically even have to make up the subtext!
Which will never stop me from shipping Nanders or Fenders...

[Weltea]

SurelyForth wrote...

...Rivalry with Fenris is nowhere near the levels of vitriol that he and Anders have between them. You can still express care and concern and have it not come out badly...

I might not come out bad but Fenris ****es at you for it anyway. Generally he seems to switch between "I care for you,I respect you" and "I despise you"

[SurelyForth]

[quote]Weltea wrote...
They do remind me a little bit of Morrigan and Alistair who had some attraction going on in the beginning that vanishes the more companions you get. I always felt that,if they didn't have the Warden between them that thing between them would have envolved into more.
quote]

I'm pretty sure David Gaider has said on more than one ocassion that they just dislike each other. There is nothing more to it than that. Even in the VO guides in the toolset it's pretty much always "Alistair just plain dislikes her" or "Morrigan thinks he's utterly worthless".

Like Addai said, sometimes people hate each other and it's not sexy at all.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 avril 2011 - 04:52 .