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[Sabariel]

Year One of DA2 takes place a year after the Blight, yes? Then... shouldn't Anders still be in Ferelden because doesn't DAA take place one year after the Blight? What did I miss here?

Modifié par Sabariel, 13 avril 2011 - 06:29 .

[TheBlackBaron]

It's an unknown number of months (six is the most commonly cited number, but David G. will be quick to tell you that they've never given an exact number) after the end of the Blight, actually, but yes, the timeline is borked. DA:A hasn't even begun when Hawke starts Act I.

[Sabariel]

It can't be six. Felsi and Oghren have a baby. Doesn't it take nine months to... uh... hatch the baby dwarf?

Modifié par Sabariel, 11 avril 2011 - 05:21 .

[Torax]

As TheBlackBaron said. "the timeline is borked."

[graavigala85]

just close your eyes and imagine about pretty butterflies... they take the pain and confusion away

[Sabariel]

Torax wrote...

As TheBlackBaron said. "the timeline is borked."

Well, unbork it. I demand it!

[Amagoi]

Torax wrote...

As TheBlackBaron said. "the timeline is borked."

Story babies have a nasty habit of spontaneous gestation.

[Stinkface27]

Is there an actually written-out timeline anywhere online? I'm too confused to even point out inconsistencies.

[dgcatanisiri]

Sabariel wrote...

It can't be six. Felsi and Oghren have a baby. Doesn't it take nine months to... uh... hatch the baby dwarf?

Well, dwarves are smaller, so maybe gestation takes less time? Yeah, I'm pulling things outta my ass here, but it's a theory.

[Maria Caliban]

Sabariel wrote...

Year One of DA2 takes place a year after the Blight, yes? Then... shouldn't Anders still be in Ferelden because doesn't DAA take place one year after the Blight? What did I miss here?

The timeline is:

Dragon Age: Origins/DA II starts (9:30) -> Awakening -> Witch Hunt -> Right of Annulment (9:37) -> DA II ends (9:40)

Any deeper thought than that will make you go 'what?'

[TheBlackBaron]

Sabariel wrote...

It can't be six. Felsi and Oghren have a baby. Doesn't it take nine months to... uh... hatch the baby dwarf?

Dwarves don't necessarily have a nine-month gestation period. 

I've been trying to work out a timeline myself since I'm beginning the groundwork on a fanfic ("World at War: 9:40 Dragon"), but its requires a lot of guesswork. We don't even know what month Ostagar took place in, Witch Hunt contradicts itself on what year it is, and GoA is a total blank slate. 

Alistair has some throwaway line in Lothering that might be of use, but I need to get back to that point in Origins. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 11 avril 2011 - 06:03 .

[Fieryeel]

Dwarves take shorter than 9 months.

[Brockololly]

Well, I always figured the events of Origins take 1 year getting to 9:31 by the end. Then Awakening takes place 6 months after the end of Origins and maybe ends 1 year after Origins.

Problem there would be when Witch Hunt takes place, as the website says it takes place 1 year post Origins:

Nearly a year has passed since the Archdemon's death, and word has reached the Wardens that Morrigan has returned to Ferelden.

But in game, if you look at Vigil's Keep and Denerim, it sounds more like a couple years have passed since Origins, as it says for Denerim "Years have passed since the death of the Archdemon": (zoom in)


And for Vigil's Keep it clearly says the Mother attacked Vigil's Keep 2 years ago:


Then DA2 comes along, so Anders would be in Kirkwall in Hawke's Year 1, which would only be one year post Blight, when, if Awakening took place 6 months after the Blight up to maybe 1 year post Blight, he shouldn't arrive in Kirkwall until at least Year 2 (9:32) for Hawke.

Not to mention when Alistair makes mention in Year 7 (9:37) that the Hero of Ferelden should be back in Denerim, when if Witch Hunt took place 2 years after Awakening and the Mother's Attack, that places it at 9:34, so what about the Wardens that went in the Eluvian in that case? Did they come back from Mirror World and then vanish again by 9:40 when Cassandra says the Warden is gone?

Ugh.

[TheBlackBaron]

Brockololly wrote...

Not to mention when Alistair makes mention in Year 7 (9:37) that the Hero of Ferelden should be back in Denerim, when if Witch Hunt took place 2 years after Awakening and the Mother's Attack, that places it at 9:34, so what about the Wardens that went in the Eluvian in that case? Did they come back from Mirror World and then vanish again by 9:40 when Cassandra says the Warden is gone?

The Denerim blurb's "years" sounds like it means more than just two years. Possibly, we might be looking at something in the 4-5 year range for WH, which would place it in 9:36. Thus, Teagan might just be assuming that the Warden should have returned to Denerim in 9:37 by the time he and Alistair return. 

This is how I've come to view it anyway, Brock. That or Teagan and Alistair are carefully trying to keep up the masquerade while knowing that in truth the Warden has been missing for years. 

[dgcatanisiri]

I choose to say that the events of Witch Hunt take place several years after DAO/DAA in an ambiguous time prior to the circles all rebelling. Bodahn and Sandal leave Hawke's place and Kirkwall on the last boat out before the Chantry goes BOOM, so they don't know about it. They drop by the Circle, for some enchantment things and Witch Hunt happens right before word about the rebellion reaches Ferelden.

That's my take on it, anyway.

[AlexXIV]

Just blame Varric for telling the story wrong.

[Fieryeel]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

I choose to say that the events of Witch Hunt take place several years after DAO/DAA in an ambiguous time prior to the circles all rebelling. Bodahn and Sandal leave Hawke's place and Kirkwall on the last boat out before the Chantry goes BOOM, so they don't know about it. They drop by the Circle, for some enchantment things and Witch Hunt happens right before word about the rebellion reaches Ferelden.

That's my take on it, anyway.

When you play Witch Hunt, u see Bodahn and Sandal in Circle tower.

Then when u first meet Bodahn and Sandal in DA2, they claimed it was after they left the circle tower.

Yeah the timeline's all messed up.

[dgcatanisiri]

Nothing says that they can't revisit the Circle Tower. Sandal's a savant - he visits the Circle once, makes an ENCHANTMENT! that eventually reaches Celene, she requests them, they stop by the Circle again to resupply... I see no conflict here, personally.

[Sabariel]

Then there's Nathaniel saying he spent a year in Kirkwall in DAA, but the only time you see Nate in Kirkwall is after DAA when he's a Grey Warden and... agh! *brain implodes*

Also, I had Nathaniel hanged in one of the DAA imports that I imported and yet... he still showed up. Is this a glitch or a Leliana-style miracle?

Modifié par Sabariel, 13 avril 2011 - 06:28 .

[Torax]

Sabariel wrote...

Then there's Nathaniel saying he spent a year in Kirkwall in DAA, but the only time you see Nate in Kirkwall is after DAA when he's a Grey Warden and... agh! *brain implodes*

Nate's year would have been about when you first arrived and then long gone while you worked off your year. Awakening starts 6 months after the Arch Demon falls. So running into Nathaniel in that little bit is not likely or necessary. He'd have gotten in long before all the Fereldons fleeting the blight. He was already out there for years.

[Foolsfolly]

Sabariel wrote...

It can't be six. Felsi and Oghren have a baby. Doesn't it take nine months to... uh... hatch the baby dwarf?

I never thought of that before.

...huh.

Well, an easy out would be to say Oghren impregnanted Felsi before the end of the Blight by however many months. Simple handwave stuff.

But yeah, I know the timeline's a little inconsistant with Anders. I'm willing to overlook that flaw. It would have been great if the timeline fit together like clockwork but I'm not going to hold it against them because it didn't.

[TheBlackBaron]

Sabariel wrote...

Then there's Nathaniel saying he spent a year in Kirkwall in DAA, but the only time you see Nate in Kirkwall is after DAA when he's a Grey Warden and... agh! *brain implodes*

Also, I had Nathaniel hanged in one of the DAA imports that I imported and yet... he still showed up. Is this a glitch or a Leliana-style miracle?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nate had spent several years in the Free Marches prior to returning to Ferelden, right? He could be referring to any one of those years as his time in Kirkwall. 

[Foolsfolly]

Torax wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Then there's Nathaniel saying he spent a year in Kirkwall in DAA, but the only time you see Nate in Kirkwall is after DAA when he's a Grey Warden and... agh! *brain implodes*

Nate's year would have been about when you first arrived and then long gone while you worked off your year. Awakening starts 6 months after the Arch Demon falls. So running into Nathaniel in that little bit is not likely or necessary. He'd have gotten in long before all the Fereldons fleeting the blight. He was already out there for years.

I replayed DA:O and Awakening after we started getting info on DA2 (including that it took place in the Free Marches) and I totally thought we'd get a pre-Warden Nathaniel cameo. I thought it would make sense too since there's no way he could be dead before he shows up in Amaranthine.

I also thought Wynne's mission in Awakening would have an impact. There was a frat gathering talking about seperating from the Circles. That's...never brought up in DA2.

Game's rushed. Things were left on the side and timelines were fumbled. I don't mean to sound like an apologist but it is what it is. Continuity flubs happen in everything, it's just DA2 has the greatest continuity armor ever: Varric was wrong.

I imagine we'll get a retconned timeline that makes sense at some point down the line. I doubt they'll call it a retcon, more a redefining of the timeline or something similar.

[Sabariel]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Then there's Nathaniel saying he spent a year in Kirkwall in DAA, but the only time you see Nate in Kirkwall is after DAA when he's a Grey Warden and... agh! *brain implodes*

Also, I had Nathaniel hanged in one of the DAA imports that I imported and yet... he still showed up. Is this a glitch or a Leliana-style miracle?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nate had spent several years in the Free Marches prior to returning to Ferelden, right? He could be referring to any one of those years as his time in Kirkwall. 

Ah, you are correct. I'd forgotten about that.

There's still the little snag of Nathaniel coming back from the dead... unless he escaped... and nobody told the Commander...