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[Turnip Root]

During my next playthrough I am planning on playing a charming, handsome, bisexual, sarcastic rogue Hawke, kind of like Zevran.
I was wondering which compnaions can I expect to like me and which I can expect to hate me as a result of this type of character behaviour.

[Girl on a Rock]

In my observation, Fenris generally responds well to sass, as long as it's appropriately placed; Varric almost always responds well to sass. Aveline is less enthusiastic about sass, and so, surprisingly, is Isabela, at least when you're speaking directly to her. Anders does not like the sassy a lot of the time, and generally responds better to the diplomatic option, and I think Merrill's cool with the sass, mostly, but prefers the diplomatic option. Bethany is cool with humor, as I recall, and I can't think of who I'm forgetting...

[Rifneno]

Anders and Aveline both hate it.  Which is odd, because Aveline openly admits to trolling Hawke in one conversation.  Isabela and Varric love it, Varric especially.  Merrill... I'm not sure she gets it.

Since you said bisexual, if you're playing a female, this is the opportunity for the one of the best lines hidden behind obscure requirements.

Isabela:  Do you want to have some... <sultry voice> "girly fun?"
Hawke:  <sarcastically>  So what, you want to go shoe shopping?

God bless sarcastic Hawke.  It's like Greg House as a demigod.

[Turnip Root]

Hmm, I may have to go more diplomatic for Anders since I plan on nailing him.

[Rifneno]

Turnip Root wrote...

Hmm, I may have to go more diplomatic for Anders since I plan on nailing him.

Definitely.  Anders has a sense of humor.  Justice/Vengeance does not.  

Modifié par Rifneno, 11 avril 2011 - 02:34 .

[SleepyPerson]

Thats strange I've always been sarcastic with Aveline and she seems to respond well.

[JosieJ]

I've never had problems with any companions simply based on tone. If you're doing something they disapprove of, they're still going to disapprove even if you use the diplomatic lines.

Romances are easy--just use the flirt lines. My snarky & sarcastic Sarah Hawke totally nailed Anders with no problems!

[The Spirit of Dance]

varric responds well to sarcastic hawke.

[Girl on a Rock]

TricksterPuppet wrote...

Thats strange I've always been sarcastic with Aveline and she seems to respond well.

I think it depends on the context - sometimes she's cool with it, but I've had her be like "NOT NOW HAWKE" or other kind of, "don't be a douche" lines...

[noxsachi]

Rifneno wrote...

Anders and Aveline both hate it.  Which is odd, because Aveline openly admits to trolling Hawke in one conversation.  Isabela and Varric love it, Varric especially.  Merrill... I'm not sure she gets it.

Since you said bisexual, if you're playing a female, this is the opportunity for the one of the best lines hidden behind obscure requirements.

Isabela:  Do you want to have some... <sultry voice> "girly fun?"
Hawke:  <sarcastically>  So what, you want to go shoe shopping?

God bless sarcastic Hawke.  It's like Greg House as a demigod.

How do you get this line? I've romanced Izzy in all three of my playthroughs and never seen it. I've also only gotten the whole "I've been waiting three years for you to admit that." line once. This saddens me.

[Nerdage]

noxsachi wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Anders and Aveline both hate it.  Which is odd, because Aveline openly admits to trolling Hawke in one conversation.  Isabela and Varric love it, Varric especially.  Merrill... I'm not sure she gets it.

Since you said bisexual, if you're playing a female, this is the opportunity for the one of the best lines hidden behind obscure requirements.

Isabela:  Do you want to have some... <sultry voice> "girly fun?"
Hawke:  <sarcastically>  So what, you want to go shoe shopping?

God bless sarcastic Hawke.  It's like Greg House as a demigod.

How do you get this line? I've romanced Izzy in all three of my playthroughs and never seen it. I've also only gotten the whole "I've been waiting three years for you to admit that." line once. This saddens me.

I'm guessing sarcastic has to be your dominant personality for the line Rifneno mentioned. And I got the "I've been waiting three years" line when I romanced her on a diplomatic character, not sure if that's a requirement though since I've only played her romance on that one character.

Modifié par nerdage, 11 avril 2011 - 05:52 .

[MoogleNut]

noxsachi wrote...
How do you get this line? I've romanced Izzy in all three of my playthroughs and never seen it. I've also only gotten the whole "I've been waiting three years for you to admit that." line once. This saddens me.

When 'Bela comes to Hawke's estate, don't flirt with her after her comments about Lowtown - she then makes the first move with the 'girly fun' line, choose the ? option

The 'waiting years' comment is for primarily diplomatic personality I think.

[Nerdage]

MoogleNut wrote...

noxsachi wrote...
How do you get this line? I've romanced Izzy in all three of my playthroughs and never seen it. I've also only gotten the whole "I've been waiting three years for you to admit that." line once. This saddens me.

When 'Bela comes to Hawke's estate, don't flirt with her after her comments about Lowtown - she then makes the first move with the 'girly fun' line, choose the ? option

As a diplomatic all that gets me is a rather dull "what do you mean?".

Modifié par nerdage, 11 avril 2011 - 07:51 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Isabela and Varric get along famously with WittyHawke. Almost impossible to fail getting along with them if you go that route.

Merril you get very mixed results with. She usually doesn't get that you're joking, So either it fails badly, or She misinterprets your sarcasm as agreeing with her and you get bonuses.

Anders does well with WittyHawke, as long as you avoid making jokes about the plight of mages or his 'condition.'

Aveline gets along okay with WittyHawke, but some of her personal conversations you may need to be a little more aggressive to get the best response. Humor is fine, just avoid lines that sound like you're abusing her position for personal gain.

Sebastian is usually fine. WittyHawke (if firmly cemented to that personality) can pull off some truly tasteless sounding humor options with Seb. (i.e. 'A bow is better than a family.') Jokes that come off badly if one of the other personality attempts them.

[MoogleNut]

nerdage wrote...

MoogleNut wrote...

noxsachi wrote...
How do you get this line? I've romanced Izzy in all three of my playthroughs and never seen it. I've also only gotten the whole "I've been waiting three years for you to admit that." line once. This saddens me.

When 'Bela comes to Hawke's estate, don't flirt with her after her comments about Lowtown - she then makes the first move with the 'girly fun' line, choose the ? option

As a diplomatic all that gets me is a rather dull "what do you mean?".

Yeah, diplomat Hawke is a dull Hawke - I just gave up half-way through act 3 with diplomat Hawke in a rivalmance with 'Bela because she was so boring - now I've gone back to witty but noble Hawke which is much more fun to play.
(Plus 'Bela was mean to me every time I accidently clicked on her - made me feel worse than trying to rival Merrill )

[Wulfram]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Merril you get very mixed results with. She usually doesn't get that you're joking, So either it fails badly, or She misinterprets your sarcasm as agreeing with her and you get bonuses.

She seems to get your jokes more as the game goes along

[Cutlass Jack]

Wulfram wrote...

She seems to get your jokes more as the game goes along

Well yes. And she gives me my favorite description of WittyHawke:

"How do you do that? Make everything better with a smile? Its like a kind of magic that doesn't get you into trouble."

[TheBlackBaron]

Rifneno wrote...
God bless sarcastic Hawke.  It's like Greg House as a demigod.

Oh my god, this is the best description I've ever heard. 

*bows*

[Nerdage]

Now I feel like I missed out playing diplomatic on both my playthroughs. The sooner this patch comes and I can replay, the better!

[Beerfish]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

She seems to get your jokes more as the game goes along

Well yes. And she gives me my favorite description of WittyHawke:

"How do you do that? Make everything better with a smile? Its like a kind of magic that doesn't get you into trouble."

My god, she thinks Hawke is Mary Tyler Moore? 

[leggywillow]

I never had a problem with Anders as overall Snarky Hawke.  In fact, probably the most friend points I ever got in a single conversation (+30) was the one where I used snark lines almost consistently, including this line: "What's the worst that could happen?  You become an abomination and... start... nevermind."

I think there is one conversation where only the diplomatic or flirt option leads to friendship points while the purple and red options lead to Justice coming out for a mini-rant.  That's the only case I can think of where Anders actually reacts negatively to Snarky Hawke, though.

Generally for him as long as you're pro-mage, tone doesn't matter at all.

[frustratemyself]

Fenris seems to respond suprisingly well. In the first deep & meaningful you have with him in act 1 I picked 50/50 diplomatic/witty responses and got +20 friendship
Never had him respond so well in that conversation but it's nice to see him laughing at something other than blackmailing Ser Thrask.

[Rifneno]

MoogleNut wrote...

noxsachi wrote...
How do you get this line? I've romanced Izzy in all three of my playthroughs and never seen it. I've also only gotten the whole "I've been waiting three years for you to admit that." line once. This saddens me.

When 'Bela comes to Hawke's estate, don't flirt with her after her comments about Lowtown - she then makes the first move with the 'girly fun' line, choose the ? option

The 'waiting years' comment is for primarily diplomatic personality I think.

This.  I made one flirt response to her in Act I, then when she comes to the Hawke estate in Act II, went with sarcastic options, passing up the flirt ones.

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Isabela and Varric get along famously with WittyHawke. Almost impossible to fail getting along with them if you go that route.

Merril you get very mixed results with. She usually doesn't get that you're joking, So either it fails badly, or She misinterprets your sarcasm as agreeing with her and you get bonuses.

Anders does well with WittyHawke, as long as you avoid making jokes about the plight of mages or his 'condition.'

Aveline gets along okay with WittyHawke, but some of her personal conversations you may need to be a little more aggressive to get the best response. Humor is fine, just avoid lines that sound like you're abusing her position for personal gain.

Sebastian is usually fine. WittyHawke (if firmly cemented to that personality) can pull off some truly tasteless sounding humor options with Seb. (i.e. 'A bow is better than a family.') Jokes that come off badly if one of the other personality attempts them.

This sums things up pretty well.  Better description than my "Anders and Aveline hate it" anyway.  They're okay with it against other people, but don't joke to them personally about things they're serious about.  Sarcastic Hawke must always be a mage, because he/she can cast "Summon: Justice."

[brightblueink]

In general it seems like none of the companions ALWAYS respond well to one personality or the other, at least in my experience. It's all more dependent on their personal tastes, beliefs, causes, etc, and what the line actually contains and is about.

I think it's one of the things that might be meant to encourage players to mix up the personalities a little? Which I like--I've found I enjoy myself the most when I have a personality in mind that supersedes the "tones" and pick whichever I think fits the Hawke I have in mind the best for each response.

EDIT: I just realized that's probably not as helpful as I meant to be. ^^;;

I can't tell you for sure who does well with both the most, but I can tell you what happened with my mostly-sarcastic playthrough.

My first PT I decided the character would be a devil-may-care thrillseeker sort. She tended toward Sarcastic, Aggressive and Blunt, but more on the sarcastic side. Diplomatic choices popped up sometimes, but were rare.

I maxed out friendship with Bethany easy, although I think I had Hawke generally be nicer to her since they were close. Varric and Anders I maxed out on friendship, too--Varric definitely seems to appreciate snark, and my character was pretty pro-mage (or really more pro-anarchy, but it translated to basically the same thing) so Anders didn't much mind her. Fenris maxed out on rivalry since they disagreed on the mage issue, but he didn't seem to mind her being sarcastic at him for the most part.

Aveline tended to bounce back and forth between Friendship and Rivalry, but I think she was closer to Rival in the end--but I think that was more because Hawke was more prone to attack people than try to find lawful solutions, than anything. Merrill was pretty much in the middle, but I didn't keep her with me much. Isabela was friends with Hawke, but not enough to stick around past Act II when my Hawke tried to convince her that she should give the book back to the Arishock. (Don't ask me why my Hawke would do that. I think I slipped up in my roleplaying at that part.)

Modifié par brightblueink, 12 avril 2011 - 01:15 .

[Lexington202]

Varric responds the best to it imo. Seems to be the best route to take with him. Isabella also enjoys Hawke's humor, although when she discusses things like her friendship with Hawke, she seems to respond better to diplomatic options.

Fenris also respond well to it. I don't think I've ever gotten negative approval points from him due to my Hawke's witty remarks.

Merril likes it, but rarely understands what Hawke means.

Sebastion will chuckle at Hawke's jokes, but it's best to take a diplomatic route for more serious issues. Aveline is similar, just more serious more often.

Anders is the worst, such a buzzkill that guy.  Although he seems okay with it on occasion so long as it's not about his "issues." He responded surprisingly well when my Hawke joked with him during his love scene (although the threesome remark didn't appeal to him much.)