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[MajesticJazz]

From what I read from the GI article, there is essentially 3 levels/tiers that squadmembers in Mass Effect 3 will fall under.

1st Tier: Your average squad member. They aren't all important to the story but they are there for whenever Shepard needs them. I think an example would be Jason Sanders.

2nd Tier: Your mission specific squad members. They won't be part of your traveling squad, but you will eventually run into them at some point in the game in which they will join you on a mission or two to help Shepard resovle something very important. I think Tali/Mordin might fall into this category. We might assist Tali in the mission regarding the Geth in ME3 and we might assist Mordin on the Salarian homeworld regarding the debate over the genophage. After the mission, they leave our party. I think an example would be Liara from Lair of the Shadow Broker. I think Bioware would use this 2nd Tier for ME2 squadmates/romances while they use the 1st Tier for brand new people that weren't ME1/ME2 squadmates. That way we can reunite with characters like Jacob, Thane, Jack, Samara, Kasumi etc....and help them out on a personal mission that could also benefit Shepard. Think of it as Loyalty Mission 2.0

3rd Tier: These are your essential squad members. These people are VERY key to the story in which the fate of the galaxy depends on whether you have them or not. They are part of your traveling squad but they carry more weight/relevance than your 1st Tier squad members in that by having these squad members in your squad, grants Shepard special access/resources. I am thinking that Ashley/Kaiden might fall into this category.


So long story short, we have one level of members who are just there for the adventure. Another level of members who have their own worries, but would ally with Shepard for one mission. Then the final level of members who are very key to Shepard success, almost nearly a plot device if you may say so.

I sort of like this, what do you think? 

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 11 avril 2011 - 02:20 .

[SNascimento]

I liked it too. Make a lot of sense if you think about it.

[marshalleck]

Now this is an interesting solution to the question of returning squad mates. I'm keen on the idea but I'd love more details. Hopefully this is something they'll be able to talk about in previews and whatnot without discussing spoilers.

[dreman9999]

So that means......Everyones coming back in some form.......Yay!!!!!

[100k]

I also kind of like the idea.

I still hope they add a support team for the SR(3), that are just scientists, researchers, and assistance that will help you find a way to beat the Reapers, without being field squad mates. They would be like Kelly, but with more to say on any given subject.

[dreman9999]

100k wrote...

I also kind of like the idea.

I still hope they add a support team for the SR(3), that are just scientists, researchers, and assistance that will help you find a way to beat the Reapers, without being field squad mates. They would be like Kelly, but with more to say on any given subject.

The SR3 is just the old SR2 ship reconfiguied with more things.

[MrDizazta]

dreman9999 wrote...

100k wrote...

I also kind of like the idea.

I still hope they add a support team for the SR(3), that are just scientists, researchers, and assistance that will help you find a way to beat the Reapers, without being field squad mates. They would be like Kelly, but with more to say on any given subject.

The SR3 is just the old SR2 ship reconfiguied with more things.

Yes the "SR-3" is just the SR-2, which I am totally happy about.  No stupid Collector sneek attack.

[AdmiralCheez]

I am all for this idea--it puts the "party" back in party members, plus makes for some awesome gameplay/story progression.

[CannotCompute]

No Boo, no party.

...

But seriously, that sounds awesome.

[JamieCOTC]

Yes, I love this idea.  I just hope the Normandy doubles for a mobile SB base. 

[cedgedc]

If that's the way it's actually going to work, then that sounds reasonable, as well as likely. I don't think they can really altogether not give you some interaction with past crew-mates who have survived until now.

I don't entirely agree with the way you've broken it down though in terms of who belongs in which category. For instance.. I know there's a lot of fans of Kaiden / Ashley but as far as I'm concerned, they bailed on me in ME2, so they're dead to me!

And if either Garrus or Tali bail on shepard to do their own thing after 2 games worth of sticking with him/her to fight off all sorts of evil.. moreover, if they bail on shepard when his home planet is being attacked, after shepard has helped them through all kinds of crap... I would feel exceedingly ripped off. I mean, how many times did we save their lives in the course of the first two games??

Frankly I don't see how any of the crew on the normandy in ME2 could suddenly bail when the actual threat is finally here, after having stuck around for the collectors (which were essentially an appetizer) - with the exception of Zaeed, since he's a merc.

...Also Thane might have died from his disease..

Modifié par cedgedc, 11 avril 2011 - 03:39 .

[cedgedc]

Oh also, Shepard is on trial for war crimes / treason, then his homeworld is under attack. Tali was on trial for treason, and her home got attacked.. If they have her bail, or become a secondary character for whom you do side quests.. I will never play another video game again!

Or ill just be pretty pissed for a while. But still! *Shakes fist!*

[Foxhound2020]

Your 3rd tier sounds synonymous with ME1 engineers where you would have to bring one along in order to do certain things that you can't do without them. Giving people options and then forcing them to not use those options made little sense then and now.

I believe bioware has stated that dlc's characters and events are extra content, so they wont have effects on ME3. For example, Lair of the shadowbroker was a DLC which means as far as story and bioware is concerned it never really happened.

[Jamesnew2]

sounds good

[cedgedc]

Foxhound2020 wrote...


Your 3rd tier sounds synonymous with ME1 engineers where you would have to bring one along in order to do certain things that you can't do without them. Giving people options and then forcing them to not use those options made little sense then and now.

I believe bioware has stated that dlc's characters and events are extra content, so they wont have effects on ME3. For example, Lair of the shadowbroker was a DLC which means as far as story and bioware is concerned it never really happened.

I think never happened is not entirely right. It's more just one of those things that can be easily ignored by the primary storyline. That's the case with any piece of content that you had to make a decision for, in terms of the overall storyline.

So for example, when you read the books which take place after ME1 and during/afterish ME2- You may have chosen to save the council or not, you may have chosen to make anderson a councilor or not. The books gloss over it all as 'The council is in turmoil, and Anderson is now a high ranking official'.

Liara becomes the shadow broker regardless of what decisions you make a long the way, and I think that is too big a part of the story to ignore entirely. Chances are it will come into play in some small way that wouldn't affect you if you hadn't played through that content.

Or it could very well be that the story will introduce her as the shadow broker, with her having accomplished it by herself. Easy fix since all you have to do is take the 'Thanks for the help making me shadow broker, shepard!'-line out. lol.

[Tazzmission]

MajesticJazz wrote...

From what I read from the GI article, there is essentially 3 levels/tiers that squadmembers in Mass Effect 3 will fall under.

1st Tier: Your average squad member. They aren't all important to the story but they are there for whenever Shepard needs them. I think an example would be Jason Sanders.

2nd Tier: Your mission specific squad members. They won't be part of your traveling squad, but you will eventually run into them at some point in the game in which they will join you on a mission or two to help Shepard resovle something very important. I think Tali/Mordin might fall into this category. We might assist Tali in the mission regarding the Geth in ME3 and we might assist Mordin on the Salarian homeworld regarding the debate over the genophage. After the mission, they leave our party. I think an example would be Liara from Lair of the Shadow Broker. I think Bioware would use this 2nd Tier for ME2 squadmates/romances while they use the 1st Tier for brand new people that weren't ME1/ME2 squadmates. That way we can reunite with characters like Jacob, Thane, Jack, Samara, Kasumi etc....and help them out on a personal mission that could also benefit Shepard. Think of it as Loyalty Mission 2.0

3rd Tier: These are your essential squad members. These people are VERY key to the story in which the fate of the galaxy depends on whether you have them or not. They are part of your traveling squad but they carry more weight/relevance than your 1st Tier squad members in that by having these squad members in your squad, grants Shepard special access/resources. I am thinking that Ashley/Kaiden might fall into this category.


So long story short, we have one level of members who are just there for the adventure. Another level of members who have their own worries, but would ally with Shepard for one mission. Then the final level of members who are very key to Shepard success, almost nearly a plot device if you may say so.

I sort of like this, what do you think? 

hmmmmmmm sounds good honestly. i wonder if sanders is your lawyer for the trial. also this could explain why wrex is back as well... he could use his clan leader status to rally up the krogan army.....

Modifié par Tazzmission, 11 avril 2011 - 04:13 .

[Vyse_Fina]

@OP:
Would you mind pointing out where in the GI article you found these news? (what page?)

The closest hint to a system like that, that I can remember is the "will be in your party to some extend" remark in the box next to the Ashley picture. That sounds like there MIGHT be a system like the one described by you but it'd still be pure speculation on your part. (On my part as well actually since I figured something like this might be the case after reading that line in the box, too)

If it turns out to be like that:
I can hear the various fanboys and girls of certain characters go "but xyz is so important to the story! Why is xyz only there for one mission!?!?!!!" already, especially when you consider that Garrus and Tali are both hot contenders for one mission only seats.
Unlike certain other established ME characters they were part of the ME2 squad the entire time which means they could both be dead in ME3 so giving them integral roles is nearly out of the question.

If the theory turns out to be correct then Bioware will have a ton of fun dealing with the whining of the Talimancers.
(and it'll mark the first day where I am glad that Liara wasn't in the ME2 suicide squad)

Modifié par Vyse_Fina, 11 avril 2011 - 04:50 .

[hunterday]

Not a bad idea... smooths over a lot of what-ifs. Could lead to some every different out-comes depending on the things u choose in the first two games as in party make up and who's not dead. I mean I think most of (not all) the people who will play this game (ME3) have at least played one of the first games?

[Reever]

I like how they dealt with this!

And it makes more sense story wise (probably, have to see what those characters are involved in )

[Tazzmission]

BlueDemonX wrote...

I like how they dealt with this!

And it makes more sense story wise (probably, have to see what those characters are involved in )

 this can also explain the multiple endings also.......

[wright1978]

I don't like the idea of multiple single mission companions particularly. I think it might work for the odd character(Grunt springs to mind). Think it would fragment the playing experience as for me part of the fun is having companions being part of the fabric of the story alongside your Shepard. Also whoever your love interest is, i would presume is integral to many players, so having them as cameos in the finale would seem cheap and tawdry. Adding numerous new tier 1 companions in case a particular player let his entire team die in ME2 whilst sidelining popular companions wouldn't seem a recipe for success either.

[Tazzmission]

wright1978 wrote...

I don't like the idea of multiple single mission companions particularly. I think it might work for the odd character(Grunt springs to mind). Think it would fragment the playing experience as for me part of the fun is having companions being part of the fabric of the story alongside your Shepard. Also whoever your love interest is, i would presume is integral to many players, so having them as cameos in the finale would seem cheap and tawdry. Adding numerous new tier 1 companions in case a particular player let his entire team die in ME2 whilst sidelining popular companions wouldn't seem a recipe for success either.

i think liara kaiden and ash should be the only 3 love options... another thing about that is will we see some form of fight for shepard between those 3 based on who you stayed faithfull to?

[Krimson_Wolf]

I kinda don't like this idea. I would rather have everyone at once, but thats just me.

[Soldier989]

Foxhound2020 wrote...


Your 3rd tier sounds synonymous with ME1 engineers where you would have to bring one along in order to do certain things that you can't do without them. Giving people options and then forcing them to not use those options made little sense then and now.

I believe bioware has stated that dlc's characters and events are extra content, so they wont have effects on ME3. For example, Lair of the shadowbroker was a DLC which means as far as story and bioware is concerned it never really happened.

You're incredibly wrong, go read the Game Informer article, both Arrival and LotSB are basically what happened five minutes before ME3's beginning, the trial is talked about near the end of the Arrival DLC, and all the DLC is returning too, the mattock is shown in nearly every screenshot with Shepard in it, and a Bioware employee confirmed the promo (Dr. Pepper, etc) DLC is coming back too.