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[AdmiralCheez]

Klijpope wrote...

Why should it be a numpty who gets offed in the opening 30 mins, and not Garrus?

Some reward for saving his ass two games in a row...

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 11 avril 2011 - 09:59 .

[MajesticJazz]

aimlessgun wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

This is interesting, but in which page of the article is it?

It is the OPs speculation/theory.

FAIL!

It is on page 59 of the Game Informer Mass Effect 3 feature under the section titled "Getting the team back together"

This is what the Casey Hudson said in the article:

"It's the whole range, and it's different per character. Some characters are going to be absolutely core to the story. They're squad members. The whole structure of the story kind of pivots around them. Others will be conventional squad members that you can choose to have with you or not...Some characters might be there for just a mission, but they're a squad member in that mission. And some characters might just have cameo appearances."

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 11 avril 2011 - 10:40 .

[The Spamming Troll]

that makes sense too. some of our squad mates are very significant parts of their species. like tali and the quarians, like legion and the geth. some are even high ranking galactically know entities like liara being the shadow broker, or even held knowledgable names like garrus being known as "archangel" or zaeed starting the blue suns.

if the world is to be united all for one against the reapers, shepard really couldnt have a better hand to play. or atleast paragon shepard should be good to go.

i can definately see wrex being a cameo squadmate. bioware wont gave us grunt in ME2 and i dont see them changing that, even tho wrex is far superior in every single possible aspect. ME3 will be nothing more then a failure if i dont get to blow **** up with wrex for atleast an hour and a half. mordin will become something of a diplomat like wrex, he should be fighting with his brain, not his braun anyways. hopefully hes stays with the normandy tho. samaras code is over, kasumi and zaeeds contracts are over, and thane is dead.

in ME3 i think were looking at liara, garrus, tali, ash/kaid, legion, grunt, miranda, jacob, jack, this james sanders fellow, prolly a female LI, and a new species. the new dirty dozen.

i just wonder whatll be happeneing to the people who didnt play the previouse games or the ones that parished in the suicide mission. does the article mean that garrus will have a "clone infiltrator" character that fills the garrus roll?

[Mylene]

aimlessgun wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

This is interesting, but in which page of the article is it?

It is the OPs speculation/theory.

it's on page 59
"some characters are going to be core to the story.they're squad members.the whole structure of the story kind of pivots around them.others will be conventional squad members that you can choose to have with you or not..some characters might be there for just a mission.and some characters might just have cameo appearances."
it's not a theory/speculation at all.

edit:ooops.i see what op did:lol:

Modifié par Mylene, 12 avril 2011 - 12:18 .

[Kane-Corr]

Honestly...if you didnt romance Jack, then she is most likely gone. She left for the nearest port. Cameo.
 
Jacob...not sure about him. May be one of those low level squaddie

Miranda...I romanced her, I think she'll be in. If you didn't romance her...she'll still be in. She's pretty much your
second in command still, and broke all ties for you. She'll play a big role I think

Garrus...yes- Big role

Tali...back to the fleet- possibly big role with Quarians

Legion...Geth- do I need to say that he plays one of the biggest roles in the game?

Mordin...working in A lab...hopefully Normandy's

Liara...with you undoubtedly. You gotta believe that she installed some SB tech on the Normandy. I mean, a drive by broker is super effective in this situation. plays a big role

Samara...gone...cameo.

Grunt...definately returning. OR, he may be able to fight by Wrex's side...as a proving type thing/hyping the Krogan race.

Ash/Kaidan...they're gonna be back. It's been a longgg time coming. Big role there
Thane...possibly for one last fight...if not, Cameo

Zaeed/Kasumi...Cameos. They were cool, but thats about it for them

Modifié par Kane-Corr, 12 avril 2011 - 12:52 .

[Hennex]

This sounds like a great idea to me.

@Kane-Core
Good idea with Liara. The Alliance would be fools not to use the information from the SB.

[Kane-Corr]

Avian005 wrote...

This sounds like a great idea to me.

@Kane-Core
Good idea with Liara. The Alliance would be fools not to use the information from the SB.

It's totally a beneficial alliance for both sides. Also too...Shep is gonna need Liara to be his eyes and ears, basically gathering any info on survivors or intel on battle strategies/clusters under attack or basically anything. it is her specialty now. So, it makes perfect sense.

[lovgreno]

To OP: Good ideas, but I don't see why tier 2 should not stay in your party all the time. The more variation the better you know. If the developers already did the job of making them for one or two missions you might as well use them for the rest too. All it would need at most is some little piece of dialoge here and there at most.

[MajesticJazz]

The Spamming Troll wrote...
kasumi and zaeeds contracts are over, and thane is dead.

For Kasumi you might have to think again. You forget that in Kasumi's loyalty mission, we have the opportunity to keep or destroy material that can really tarnish the reputation of the Alliance. This material contain images of a Reaper which is really interesting. What does the Alliance know about the Reapers that the rest of the Galaxy doesn't know?

Your choice in Kasumi's mission like many other choices from ME1 and ME2 will play dire consequences in ME3. 

Scenario:

Shepard in ME3 is trying to rally various races for assistance to take back Earth and ultimately, take the fight to the Reapers. If you kept this evidence and the image of the Ailliance/Humans are tarnished because of this, this might hinder the progress of Shepard and might even see a race or two flat out ignore Shepard's plea.

So yeah, Kasumi IS important to ME3. 
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As for Zaeed, while not important as Kasumi, he still had a major decision in his loyalty mission. While the fate of Vito Santiago isn't really all important when you compare the Blue Suns to the Reapers, but it is hard to see how we will be on a mission with Zaeed in ME3. If you allowed Vito to live in ME2, perhaps you can team up with Zaeed for one final fight to take down the Blue Suns. If you killed Vito in ME2, well, perhaps a new leader emerges and Zaeed wants to take him down. Who knows
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Just because they are DLC characters doesn't mean that it means they won't return in ME3 because "not everyone could have them" in ME2. I am pretty sure that Bioware could create a default/cannon choice for the Kasumi/Zaeed decisions in ME2 so that people jumping into ME3 without a port can still experience the characters and their stories.

[-Skorpious-]

MajesticJazz wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

This is interesting, but in which page of the article is it?

It is the OPs speculation/theory.

FAIL!

It is on page 59 of the Game Informer Mass Effect 3 feature under the section titled "Getting the team back together"

This is what the Casey Hudson said in the article:

"It's the whole range, and it's different per character. Some characters are going to be absolutely core to the story. They're squad members. The whole structure of the story kind of pivots around them. Others will be conventional squad members that you can choose to have with you or not...Some characters might be there for just a mission, but they're a squad member in that mission. And some characters might just have cameo appearances."

Garrus, right? Yep, Garrus confirmed for permanent squadmate! 

[Phaedon]

Thanks Majestic, looks like everyone is going to return in ME3.

[CannotCompute]

^ Just not as a potential squadmate.

[Phaedon]

No, it looks like almost everyone is returning as squadmates, permanent or not.

[CannotCompute]

Phaedon wrote...

No, it looks like almost everyone is returning as squadmates, permanent or not.

Source? The GI article or...?

If you are talking about that article, it still says "some characters might just have cameo appearances". And there's nothing wrong with that imo.

Modifié par CannotCompute, 12 avril 2011 - 11:20 .

[Patchwork]

A 3 tier system seems like the best way to deal with all the squadmates old and new. Plus I like the idea of sending people away to accomplish missions and report back.

Miranda for instance is wasted as your XO better to give her resources, a project and tell her to get it done. The same with Mordin, he brings nothing specialto the battlefield having him as an NPC woking in the Normandy lab is the best use for him.

I'd love to send Samara (and Jack)  off to check on the rachni.

Liara is your new TIM and as such she doesn't need to be a squadie at all but she'll probably join in taking down Cerberus or something. (Can I make Miranda the new Illusive Man pretty please Bioware?)

Other ME2 squadmates can be with Miranda, you or off doing their own thing until a mission brings them back into contact.

The VS I'm undecided about, on one hand I'd love them to be a permanent squad memeber for old times sake but Alliance-wise Kaiden (I don't know about Ashley) out ranks Shepard now. It doesn't make sense for him to fall back under Shepard's command. Maybe make them Spectres too? Or be your Alliance liason? Either way I think the VS is going to be a semi-permanent squadie at best.

[ANdrewJ]

There must be really a show to get cerberus under flag, TIM indoctrinated, he most likely possessed by reapers on arrival, as well as his reaper implanted soldiers that obviosly controlled by reapers (Grayson analog). Now reapers arrive and take control of everything they have and throw it on us.
His goals are almost the same as reapers, schematics perfect - eliminate every other race (or supprass in everything) and dominate.
Reapers - harvest impressive species... ("Take what is useful, destroy the rest")

[MrGone]

Interesting Point from OP and others.

Let's get logical with this shall we?

Well obviously Kaiden/Ashley is mega-important. They were gaining status with the Alliance while Shep ran with Cerberus, and have a 33% chance of being your original ME1 love interest.  - Definite Primary squadmate.

Liara has eveolved quite a bit, going from a smart but boring naive Asari into a hardened information dealer, and is now much more important in a general sense than she was at the end of ME1. Also has a 33% chance of being your original ME love interest. - Definite Primary Squadmate.

Jacob/Miranda were tied in heavily with ME2's plot seeing as they're with Cerberus. I guarantee you see one/both in ME3 when dealing with the group if they're alive.They both have a 25% chance of being your ME2 LI, but also can both be killed. As such I'm calling them definite single mission squadmates (possibly even boss enemies), but highly likely to be secondary squadmates as well. If both are alive, be expected to be put in a choice where one must be killed.

Mordin. Cannot be romanced, and can die, but he's the only Salarian we've really come to know. If alive, will definitely be featured when we finally get to Salarian homeworld, and probably will be a temporary squadmate as a result. More likely than not Mordin is the new Wrex from ME2.

Wrex/Grunt. Neither can be romanced, both can be dead. Likely if both are alive you will make a choice between them. In fact I'm going to prognosticate and say if both are alive, they're fighting each other on Tuchanka. If only one, the other is replaced by semi-important other Krogan, possibly even a "Morinth" Evil Krogan for you to choose over Krogans you've worked with in the past. Since both can be dead, and neither was important to main plot OR a LI, likelihood of temp squad member (with the option of becoming a secondary member is likely).

Thane. Odd case. 25% chance ME2 love interest, and high liklihood of death in SM. Storywise though, he's dying. In all honesty I'm going to say he's likely removed from game entirey excpet in "a sad flashback" if he was your LI. Dating Thane you know fully that he's got limited time left in the world. Possibly a recruitable squadmate, but more likely a single mission squadmate or nothing at all.

Jack. Female Thane to the extreme. Little plot relevance and aside from 25% chance of LI status, highly possible to die in SM. BUT dating her you know she has every reason to ditch Shepard once she thinks it's safe, and even if you paragon romance her and help her deal with a few of her issues, there are too many defensive tendencies in her personality to not flee intamacy. If alive, highly likely to be temporary squadmate, or nothing at all.

Samara/Morinth. I'm guessing we go to the Asari Homeworld this game?  Well someone has to be our contact there, and Liara it isn't. I'm expecting a serious downgrade with these two. Neither is super duper popular (though I personally found Samara to be my favorite character after Garrus) and both have nultiple instances of possible death. Hell one of them IS definitely dead. But that being said, there are also a ton of Asari we've met that could fill their "Wrex" role on the Asari homeworld. They are asily either just a cameo, or a bonus mission temporary character.

Zaeed/Kasumi. Both interesting mercenary characters that are fairly popular, but both only have limited applications story wise and could possibly be dead already, AND were DLC so not even encountered at all (though Zaeed's practically a shoe in). I'm predicting that Zaeed will most likely be hired to kill Shepard, or possibly even be out for revenge if you didn't gain his loyalty. In all liklihood both characters can be used as solid "bridge" characters to introduce another new character to your team and will only be featured for one mission each.

Legion. Neat character, but highly likely to be dead AND isn't romanceable AND is tied in with a major narrative  sub-plot about the conflict between the Geth and the Quarians if alive. I'm guessing one mission only squadder is most likely, possibly upgradable to secondary member if certain conditions are met.

Tali. Tied in with the Quarian subplot, but her loyalty mission introduced us to other NPCs that can fill in if we need them, and could be dead, but is both romancable in ME2, very popular AND is a legacy series character. If alive, likely to be a secondary squadmate (as she always has been), and a bridge character to another possible. Also a likely candidate for a Virmire Choice death.

Garrus. Almost exactly Tali except not tied into an ongoing subplot. In fact, not tied down at all really, and so offers the most flexability (or reach I suppose). My guess? If alive a likely secondary squadmate along with Tali, BUT I'm guessing that Garrus is going to also get himself involved in a Virmire choice with a new character.

REMEMBER FOLKS there does have to be room for new characters.

My guess, We're getting a Batarian Squadmate to be the opposite number to any Alliance member(s) we get on board. Most likely we will get at least one member from a brand new race to the series, such as the drell in ME2. We will likely also get a Collector/Prothean ally if the Batarian doesn't fit the bill of "former enemy" enough. There will also be another human female to Balance out this Sunderland character.

Even more likely, this Sanders character is the opposite number to Kaiden/Ashley. If you have Ash back, then James Sunderland is your man. If you have Kaiden, it's other Alliance chick (that Sanders girl people talk about?). They form the new possible sides of the human triangle.

I also hope one of the "non-combat" races gives us a squad member, for the sake of pure awesomeness. Blasto proved popular, and so did the Biotic God, so most likely it's a Volus Or Hanar.

Possibly a Volus riding a Hanar? Personally I want to see a Volu in a Mechanized battlesuit. I mean, they have robotic technology, and they have complex external suits already. Why not?

Modifié par MrGone, 12 avril 2011 - 12:52 .

[The Elder King]

From Casey Hudson's interview, it seems that some squad member are optional, we can choose to recruit them or not. I hope that the ME2 romances are fits at least in this category, if not in the core squad member type (maybe with the exception of Thane. Even if he isn't died, some months passed from ME2 to ME3, so maybe his body isn't in good shape).

[Unit-Alpha]

With no bearing to the fact that I romanced Liara, she would be in the first tier. She's the only guaranteed survivor and is in the most powerful position as of the end of ME2.

[Urdnot Orrad]

I've read this whole thread, and seen a lot of fierce debate. That's good, but... c'mon, guys, ME3 is still a long way away. It's fun to debate stuff like this, but must we really get so worked up when we still know so little about the game? Where's the fun in hungrily scraping for every tiny morsel of information if we allow ourselves to ruin the plot's surprises? I did it for ME2, and I've regretted it to this day.

I saved everyone I could throughout ME1 and 2 with my main Shep. I'll worry about who appears and who doesn't once I get the game. Seriously guys, it's BioWare. They are likely the best Western RPG makers in business today, the ones that gave us Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, and of course Mass Effect. Do you guys honestly consider them incapable of getting in results for every possible outcome and every variable players get in the very game they designed?! No matter what variables people get, I'm confident BioWare has already planned full in advance for every single one. They made the games after all. No-one knows Mass Effect better than it's creators, so stop worrying, guys.

[CubsMania]

I think a lot of these are valid points, but to me it would cheapen the game if a good portion of ME2 squaddies are not back full time, to those who took the time to do the annoying loyalty missions. A couple I can understand who were there to take up space, like Jack or Samera(and I like to use is ME2), but why would someone like a loyal grunt not be your party? Shepard is his battlemaster and he wants to fight the toughest challenges. I think the reapers would qualify for that. and again I read a lot of valid points that make sense for some of characters but I think at least half of ME2 should return as squaddies.

[KainrycKarr]

I still think the LI's will be full squadmates, and the non-LI's will be a mix of cameos, semi-squaddies, and one-mission squaddies.

[DxWill10]

Ser Bard wrote...


The VS I'm undecided about, on one hand I'd love them to be a permanent squad memeber for old times sake but Alliance-wise Kaiden (I don't know about Ashley) out ranks Shepard now. It doesn't make sense for him to fall back under Shepard's command. Maybe make them Spectres too? Or be your Alliance liason? Either way I think the VS is going to be a semi-permanent squadie at best.

I believe the VS was a confirmed squad member, unsure if permanent or not.

Also, Kaiden (like Shepard) is a commander, and therefore, does not outrank Shepard.  Not that it matters, they'll both follow shepard regardless.

Modifié par DxWill10, 13 avril 2011 - 04:40 .

[Deathispink]

MrGone wrote...

Interesting Point from OP and others.

Let's get logical with this shall we?

Well obviously Kaiden/Ashley is mega-important. They were gaining status with the Alliance while Shep ran with Cerberus, and have a 33% chance of being your original ME1 love interest.  - Definite Primary squadmate.

Liara has eveolved quite a bit, going from a smart but boring naive Asari into a hardened information dealer, and is now much more important in a general sense than she was at the end of ME1. Also has a 33% chance of being your original ME love interest. - Definite Primary Squadmate.

And I am one of the 1% who, on their original playthrough, ignored all three. Best decision I ever made. Thane or Garrus= Way more awesome

[sponge56]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Some real crazed stuff in this thread. Tali's dead to you if she goes back to help her people in a war against the Geth which could wind up with her entire race dead? She should put humanity's survival ahead of the survival of her own race? Why shouldn't you put Quarian's survival ahead of humanity's then?

THIS JUST IN PEOPLE! The Reapers are only targetting humanity! That whole thing about them harvesting the whole galaxy and us fighting a galactic war against them? Nope, just humanity.

Edit: Also the fact that the Quarians WILL no matter what be in a war with the Geth is, like Cerberus trying to kill Shepard, would be yet another example of Bioware's complete failure to live up to "choices matter" and their inability to make a dynamic trilogy.

The article says that the reapers are focused on earth but are attacking other places as well, hence the thresher maw vs reaper scenario.  so saying that they are only focused on earth seems to be incorrect