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Ah yes, "variables" -- ME2 squadmates in ME3


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Considering what has been said about "plot-central" characters and ancillary characters, and the fact that Bioware does not have infinite money to pay VAs for dialogue, I think we can make a pretty good guess about who's we're going to have for ME3:

Confirmed -
VS, Liara, Garrus, the FNG (James Sanders)

Liara is central to the plot, though I'll be surprised if she's a full squaddie. Isn't it too risky for her (as the Shadow Broker) to be out and about where she might die suddenly? Bioware might hand-wave it somehow (maybe Feron is her backup in case she dies), but I see her more as "mission control" on the Normandy. It would be cool to get intel updates from her throughout the missions, though.

Let's face it, someone could have done an intentionally terrible suicide mission and saved only two people that Bioware wasn't planning on having in ME3 anyway (Kasumi and Zaeed, for instance). They're going to have to give you replacement squadmembers, and what do you know, the VS is readily available and still very much not-dead. I think we can all predict that Shepard's upcoming trial is going to be interrupted by the Reaper invasion (just as someone loudly proclaims that Reapers don't exist), and more than likely the VS and the F***ing New Guy James Sanders will be your squadmates during the tutorial mission when you fight your way off Earth.

(Also, anyone want to place bets on the VS being called as a witness?)

They've confirmed Garrus, which is nice. Given his popularity (but lack of plot relevance), I'm guessing he'll be a permanent member of the squad. If you lost him in ME2, well, at least you still have the VS, FNG, and maybe Liara as your initial squad.

Plot Relevant Characters

Tali (Squaddie) - Why is she plot relevant? She is your link to the Quarians, who happen to have the biggest fleet in the galaxy. One way or the other, you want these people on your side, and to do it, you're probably going to need to resolve the whole Geth-Quarian problem. She's also the daughter of a former admiral and close to two current admirals. Even if she was exiled, she's going to be important. There are probably going to be two questlines relating to this whole issue, one on the Quarian side and one on the Geth. If you got Tali exiled, or let her die, things might be tougher for you, or you won't have the ability to pursue the Quarian questline at all. If Tali's not on the Normandy when you get there, you'll probably pick her up when you head to the Floatilla. Will she be a full squaddie? Come on, if they're bringing back Garrus, they're bringing back Tali.... Shepard Team Assemble!

Legion (Part-time Squaddie) - See above. Legion will be your link to the Geth side of the equation. As a race of machines, the Geth are probably going to be your strongest weapon against the Reapers. So long as they can't be reprogrammed or subverted (and the heretic Geth weren't), they're the only race in the galaxy that can match the Reapers in speed of thought and endurance. I'm thinking Legion won't be available as a full time squaddie because he'll be performing a role similar to Wrex, i.e. "leading" the Geth, though you might have him during the Geth questline. If you sold him or he died, again, the questline will be tougher or nonexistent.

Mordin (NPC) - Wait, what? Why is he plot relevant? Because Mordin might have the possible cure to the genophage. We know it's possible (Saren did it), and if anyone can cure the genophage again it's our scientist Salarian. Along with Wrex, I'm sure he'll be part of getting the Krogan on your side. What you did with the cure and whether or not he survived the suicide mission will determine what portions of this questline (if any) you are able to do. I think he'll either have a cameo or be a permanent "Q" on your ship. At this point in the timeline, I think he's just getting too old to be a squadmate (in human years he's pushing ninety).

Wrex (Part-time Squaddie) - See above. You want the Krogans on your side. If they almost wiped out the galaxy before, think of what they could do to the Reapers. Offering a cure or a modification to the genophage is one way to get them on your side, but you'd need a leader like Wrex to keep them in line and make sure they fight for you and not against you. Whether or not you saved Wrex and completed Grunt's loyalty mission (giving you fame on Tuchanka) should factor into this questline. If they keep Wrex in a leadership role, I see him as a temporary squaddie. If not, he might rejoin you full time to go out with a bang.

Miranda/Jacob (Squaddie/Part-time Squaddie) - This is a tough one. The Cerberus operatives are relevant to the plot in that they work for TIM. It'll be interesting to see how Bioware plays this. They've already said that Cerberus will be pursuing you in ME3, but that only makes sense for a paragon character who gave TIM the finger and blew up the base. What about renegades who actively supported TIM at every turn and saved the base specifically for Cerberus? Did the player's paragon decision make Miranda quit the organization or is she still a member? I'm guessing that Bioware is going to hand-wave some of this so as not to waste whatever development time they're spending on a "Cerberus invading the Normandy" mission, but it'll be a hard call as to whether or not Jacob and Miranda stay with you. You might have them while Shepard is still with Cerberus and then lose them if/when he goes off on his own or rejoins the Alliance. We'll see.

Ancillary Characters

Grunt (Squaddie) - If we get Wrex, I could see Grunt returning to Tuchanka to join clan Urdnot. If not, then of course our little Krogan is going to stay by Shep's side. It'll be either/or on the Krogans.

Jack (Optional Squaddie) - Jack gave the impression that as soon as the suicide mission was done, she was taking off. If you romanced her, I can see her having a reason to stay, but otherwise, I think you'll encounter her at some point during the game be given the option to recruit her again. Because of the cacaphony of characters, I think we're going to have some kind of set limit on how many we can recruit in addition to the plot-centric characters above. If fewer plot-centric characters survived ME2, then you'll have the ability to recruit more "optional" characters.

Samara/Morinth (Optional Squaddie) - I believe her oath only bound her until the end of the suicide mission. I could see her being a potential recruit for paragons, and a potential enemy at some point for renegades. The reverse would be true for Morinth (though why or how a paragon would recruit Morinth is beyond me). If we have Liara as a squaddie, I doubt we'll get Samara/Morinth, though having *both* in the party would be epic.

Thane (Optional Squaddie/NPC) - Let's face it, Thane's dying. Unless Bioware hand-waves a cure, then he's going to be getting pretty sick and close to death. If you romanced him then my guess is he'll be on the Normandy in a convalescent state. If you didn't, then he's either somewhere else or already dead. If they do cure him and he survived the suicide mission, then I'm guessing he'd be an optional squadmate.

Kasumi/Zaeed (Cameos) - Considering that not everyone downloaded the two DLC characters, I seriously doubt Bioware is going to spend much money in developing them further for ME3. No, I don't like it, and yes, I do like both the characters, but considering the amount of "variables" they already have to contend with, do you think they're going to do more than a cameo (assuming they survived)? It would be very cool to see Kasumi break Shepard out of jail, though, not to mention seeing Zaeed going all Duke Nukem on the streets of London as Shepard's shuttle takes off for the Normandy.

Will we get new squadmembers? They certainly put enough thought and background into Gianna Parasini and Shiala. I don't know if they're quite squadmate material (Gianna's a private investigator and we already have Asari biotics), but maybe there's a role they could play for Shepard on the Normandy. Aside from the FNG, I could seem them introducing maybe one more new squadmate, but really, the pantheon is already full. I don't think there's enough time left in the final game to really develop a new squadmember.

All I know is, I want Matriarch Aethyta for Normandy bartender! :devil:

#152
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Bluko wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

^Did you save the Council?


Yes that would help make "6". Should probably edit that...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I got the impression that the comic would be available but optional, and
that everyone would get a "previously on mass effect" cutscene at the
beginning, unrelated to the comic. Does anyone who has read the actual
article have a solid handle on which one is probably correct?


Well I have actually uh... read a certain article in full detail about certain things.

:whistle:

(But yeah pretty sure comic intro is mandatory.)


Oh I wasn't trying to contradict you, sorry, I should have asked directly if you read the article yet.

Still waiting for my copy, damnit! 

#153
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The article mentions that permanent characters will be core to the story, which so far we know is mainly about gaining support from different species.

My guess is that there will be a permanent squaddie representing each species, partly because it was mentioned somewhere that things will change depending on who you take on missions. I suppose taking Mordin to the Krogan for example would open new options.

For that reason I'd say Mordin, Grunt, Garrus, Tali and Legion have a higher chance to be permanent squadmates, and possibly Miranda and Jack if Cerberus is a big deal.

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Liec wrote...

The article mentions that permanent characters will be core to the story, which so far we know is mainly about gaining support from different species.


Not true -

 "It's the whole range, and it's different per character. Some characters are going to be absolutely core to the story. They're squad members. The whole structure of the story kind of pivots around them. Others will be conventional squad members that you can choose to have with you or not...Some characters might be there for just a mission, but they're a squad member in that mission. And some characters might just have cameo appearances." Casey Hudson

The bolded part implies that not all permanent squadmates HAVE to be plot critical.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 12 avril 2011 - 04:45 .


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I hope Anderson is a party member like they hinted. And I hope Wrex is a party member again and Legion. Anderson and Garrus or Legion and Wrex, or Wrex and Anderson or Legion and Anderson or we could go classic Garrus and Wrex. The possibilities are limitless. Well, not limitless, actually that's pretty much all of them.

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Orion1836 wrote...

Considering what has been said about "plot-central" characters and ancillary characters, and the fact that Bioware does not have infinite money to pay VAs for dialogue, I think we can make a pretty good guess about who's we're going to have for ME3:

{A bunch of good analysis snipped}
All I know is, I want Matriarch Aethyta for Normandy bartender! :devil:


I agree with you on most accounts, and the last line in your post brought up something I do not expect to see, but that I would love - the ability to pick up a lot of cool NPCs and install them on your ship as crew. Do. Want.

Also, based on your analysis of Garrus/Jacob/Thane... that brings up something I'm always wondering.

What was Bioware thinking when they designed the female LIs for ME2? I've heard rumors that they expected Garrus to be the least popular one one (really?) And Thane was the super-hot poster chiid. So why make him so doomed? Of course, I also argue that Thane is significantly less doomed than initially suggested, if you read his LotSB files. I think that they might have been added to make his survival more plausible - he implies he's refused some treatments in his normal dialogue, and the dossiers give more details on possible stuff available - in my mind, there's plenty to give him a chance to survive to the end of ME3 if they need to, but it would be a stretch to have him survive longer than that.

And Jacob... well we all know how he turned out.

LIs are going to be a tricky situation. At minimum, I think they will all get a plot-squaddie mission, with an optional romance extension cutscene if you romanced them in the last game. I hope this entirely out of charity, since the only two guys I'm really interested in are both definitely coming back. Booyah.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Oh, you think THAT is scary?

Here is what your character select screen will look like, if you killed your whole squad in ME2: 
Entire Team is Jacob.

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Didn't BioWare keep track of the deaths of teammembers? So I guess if a character has survived in >85% of the playthroughs, he's a squadmember - if <85% just a cameo.

It then comes down to probability charts. BioWare has already released some stats on surviving, stating that on average 85% of the team survived during playthroughs (which is a high survival rate).

Modifié par Vanaer, 12 avril 2011 - 06:21 .


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[quote]Garrus
-Likely temp squadmate
-Has been relatively unimportant to the story itself
-Considered "too failure", likely only helps Shepard with Turian dilemma
-Popularity factor useful for sales, could become full-time squadmate
-Strong loyalty to Shepard[/quote]

How would Garrus help with Turians? He doesn't have any political power. He's just random Turian vigilante in their eyes.

[quote]Tali
-Likely temp squadmate or cameo
-May rejoin her people if not exiled
-Likely helps Shepard with Geth vs. Quarian war
-Popularity factor useful for sales, could become full-time squadmate
-Strong loyalty to Shepard[/quote]

I guess I'll have to exile Tali then.:?

[quote]Miranda
-Likely cameo or temp squadmate
-Cerberus is now at conflict with Shepard
-Has little reason to assist Shepard any further
-May help Shepard with Cerberus issue[/quote]

She quits Cerberus if you destroy CB.
And she's a LI and very popular.
She'll be there.


[quote]Jacob
-Likely cameo or temp squadmate
-Cerberus is now at conflict with Shepard
-Has little reason to assist Shepard any further
-May help Shepard with Cerberus issue[/quote]

Where would he go there?
He dislikes Cerberus and he'll obviously choose Shepard's side.
Alliance? lol
Also he's a LI and somehow popular.

[quote]Mordin
-Likely major cameo or  temp squadmate
-May help with Salarian people
-Genophage issue may need to be resolved
-Popularity factor noted
-Possible full-time squadmate[/quote]

OK.

[quote]Grunt
-Likely cameo
-Several factors negate full return (could remain in tube)
-Has little reason to serve Shepard
-May help Shepard on Krogan homeworld[/quote]

What if you didn't do his loyalty? He has nowhere to go then.

[quote]Jack
-Likely cameo
-Has little reason or interest to stick with Shepard
-Is more inclined to travel on her own
-Could help Shepard against Cerberus[/quote]

If she is romanced, why would she left then?
Also Reapers are coming and she knows that. Why would she leave then?
Also she is very popular aswell.

[quote]Thane
-Likely cameo
-Has little reason to stick with Shepard
-Dying and needs to reconcile with son
-May help Shepard with Hanar/Drell situation if present[/quote]

Popular and LI? That's 3rd time you forget.
Also his son is either in C-Sec or in jail. He can't help him much.

[quote]Samara
-Likely cameo
-Could have been replaced by Morinth
-Is a Justicar and her duty comes first
-Probably will help Shepard with Asari issue[/quote]

OK.

[quote]Legion
-Likely major cameo
-Several factors hinder full return (could be sold)
-Geth war is a critical issue
-Will likely help Shepard with Geth
-Geth nature, makes Legion 2.0 possible
-Shepard fanboy[/quote]

You do know he's popular aswell?
Also it doesn't make much sense for him to leave.

[quote]Zaeed
-Lucky if cameo
-May have something to do with Blue Suns

Kasumi
-Lucky if cameo
-May have something to do with Greybox/Alliance

Wrex
-Cameo or temp squadmate (if alive)
-Will likely help with Krogan/Genophage issue[/quote]

OK

[quote]Kaidan
-Most likely full time squadmate
-Assigned to Shepard with the Alliance
-Maybe a Spectre

Ashley
-Most likely full time squadmate
-Assigned to Shepard with the Alliance
-Maybe a Spectre[/quote]

lol
Spectre?
lmao

[quote]Liara
-Most likely full time squadmate

-May still have Shadowbroker duties
-Fairly important story character[/quote]

Yeah, character that doesn't make any sense to be full squadmate is going to be just do to fan-service.<_<

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I obviously want all squad mates to return. However, though I'm preparing myself for disappointment, I need a story-related reason for a squad mate to be gone. There is litterally nothing more important than the Reaper threat and I'm sure all of the squaddies realize that.

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You won't get all of the ME2 squad mates back as permanent characters, I expect most of them will be temporary squadmates for 1 mission or cameos. As for permanent returning squad mates, I should think Liara and VS from ME1 and around 3 from ME2.

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I have read the scans (but don't have the magazine) and doesn't it say that ME3 occurs a few months after Arrival? If this is the case then surely Thane is a givun as he would still be alive.

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I hope they'll all be returning, i'm also curious as to where we'll find them all, since the article said something about shep dashing around regathering, i can't really imagine many of them wandered off that far, i mean how long can a trial of a warhero take?

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noxpanda wrote...

since the article said something about shep dashing around regathering

Now I haven't actually read the article to confirm it, but I was under the impression that Shepard is looking for allies, i.e fighting bodies like the krogan, rachni, geth and the quarians, and not new party members? Felt to me like the party quota is filled - you already have 15 potential squaddies barring those who might not make the final cut due to lore and DLC reasons.

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Yes i got the impression that its def gathering ally races but it sounded like shep was gathering up existing squaddies too, maybe i just got the wrong impression

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noxpanda wrote...

Yes i got the impression that its def gathering ally races but it sounded like shep was gathering up existing squaddies too, maybe i just got the wrong impression


Here is my best estimate for what might have happend: 

Shep goes back to earth for trial. Says to some of her alien bros "Hey, I don't know how long this will take, go back to your home planets, see if you can get them to listen and start getting ready." Mordin, Grunt, and even Samara are great candidates for this - all of them have reputations that would make people listen to them, etc. So now Shep is on earth for her trial, while everyone else is getting their forces or research projects ready.  The VS is now around again, 'cause it's earth. Liara and/or Garrus as well. So they do the trial, it gets interrupted and they go off to pick everyone back up.

They're not going to give someone new to Mass Effect twelve people to start with - that's a bit much. So hopefully people are off doing something productive, in the meantime.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

noxpanda wrote...

Yes i got the impression that its def gathering ally races but it sounded like shep was gathering up existing squaddies too, maybe i just got the wrong impression


Here is my best estimate for what might have happend: 

Shep goes back to earth for trial. Says to some of her alien bros "Hey, I don't know how long this will take, go back to your home planets, see if you can get them to listen and start getting ready." Mordin, Grunt, and even Samara are great candidates for this - all of them have reputations that would make people listen to them, etc. So now Shep is on earth for her trial, while everyone else is getting their forces or research projects ready.  The VS is now around again, 'cause it's earth. Liara and/or Garrus as well. So they do the trial, it gets interrupted and they go off to pick everyone back up.

They're not going to give someone new to Mass Effect twelve people to start with - that's a bit much. So hopefully people are off doing something productive, in the meantime.


That seems logical. After all, if you have a crack team of (potentially) influential people and the Reapers are on your doorstep you probably want them doing something productive while you're engaged. After all, Shepard doesn't know the Reapers will go for Earth so soon, and even if she did she isn't stupid enough to think that a crack team of 12 people on a single ship will be enough to take out at least several hundred Reapers, thus ther eis little reason keeping them at-hand on standby when they could be doing more important preprations.

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That seems like the best solution. If Tali wasn't convicted, she also has some pull with the quarians. Legion might go upload with the geth or something, Thane make make a case on Kajeh.
Kasumi, Jack and Zaeed might take off on their own anyway. That only leaves Jacob and Miranda, wonder what happens with them (well, Miranda anyway :)).

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Miranda is rather complicated. If you take the Paragon ending then she can (if she's with you) resign from Cerberus. On the other hand, Cerberus has been protecting her sister and this makes her very easy to blackmail. To be honest, Miranda, and to a lesser extent Jacob, will rely almost entirely on exactly what the plot with Cerberus in ME3 ends up like, and exactly why they are trying to kill you.

Jacob is less complicated than Miranda because he doesn't really seem 1) to believe much in Cerberus' ideological goals and 2) agree with the extreme nature of some of their methods. He essentialy seems to have joined them because, much like Garrus on his quest to be Omega's Batman, he was tired of red tape and ineffectual beaurocracy. He doesn't seem to have any specific loyalty to Cerberus or reasons for staying with them, unlike Miranda. Additionally, he's also fairly unpopular among the fanbase, which leads me to suspect his involvement may be somewhat limited.

EDIT: I don't really think Thane has much influence on Kahje. He left the employ of the Hanar a significant numbe rof years ago. To be honest, Thane is a bit of a wild card to me. On the one hand, he's a popular and pretty awesome character, and so I and many others would eb glad to see him return. On the other hand he is dying, and doesn't seem to really have much of a place in the plot. That is fine, of course, but I cna't think of any logical reason for him to be, say, a 'story-specific' temp squaddie like I can with Mordin, grunt, Legion, Tali and a number of others. But, of course, this is early days.

Modifié par Eudaemonium, 12 avril 2011 - 01:46 .


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Why do people keep assuming that our current squadmates will be so important when it comes to winning the other races over, anyway?

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I think the combination of being a LI and hating Cerberus has really increased Jack's chances of returning in light of Cerberus' role in ME3...

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Why do people keep assuming that our current squadmates will be so important when it comes to winning the other races over, anyway?


Many of our squaddies are "important" people in their societies. Mordin is a highly-respected scientist and was responsible for modifying the Krogan Genophage. Tali is the daughter of an admiral in the Flotilla and wildly popular (assuming you saved her at trial) in her own right. I think the squaddies like this, who have actual influence with their species, will play a role in recruiting those species. 

It helps having an Asari Justicar in your corner when you try to ask the asari for help, y'know? Her word could sway all kinds of support in your favor. 

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Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Many of our squaddies are "important" people in their societies. Mordin is a highly-respected scientist and was responsible for modifying the Krogan Genophage. Tali is the daughter of an admiral in the Flotilla and wildly popular (assuming you saved her at trial) in her own right. I think the squaddies like this, who have actual influence with their species, will play a role in recruiting those species. 

It helps having an Asari Justicar in your corner when you try to ask the asari for help, y'know? Her word could sway all kinds of support in your favor.

True, but people keep throwing Garrus in with that lot, which is silly.  I mean, Garrus is a bit of a bum--he quit his day job to go play Batman on some overpopulated junk heap light-years away from where it could do society as a whole any good.

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Garrus is like, one of the least plot important characters in the games. He is pretty much just there

Also Keener just said he started recording lines for Garrus on Facebook.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...
I mean, Garrus is a bit of a bum--he quit his day job to go play Batman on some overpopulated junk heap light-years away from where it could do society as a whole any good.

Garrus seemed to be more like the Punisher to me. Punisher just shoots the bad guys, like Garrus.  Batman throws them in jail.:ph34r:

Modifié par ShadowJ20, 12 avril 2011 - 09:42 .