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[Mr. Sniper Rifle]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Actually, Shepard is now indoctrinated. That's why TIM wants to take him out.

 I'm half sure you're either joking, trolling or about to rattle off a conspiracy theory involving the Asari Illuminati, Grunt's new visor, and Mess Sergeant Gardner's cooking.

Modifié par Mr. Sniper Rifle, 11 avril 2011 - 06:26 .

[17thknight]

Razagon wrote...

2 years? I'm positive that she said "unknown.... could be months or years". I just see it as months because no one actually knows Reaper's speed.

Their speed is within the boundary of the speed of light, like all matter in this universe. Therefore, their speed, given where you see them outside of the galaxy at the end of part 2, would mean they'd be taking thousands of years to get back.

It's fiction, so yeah, we can ignore that I suppose, but it's still a little eyebrow raising.

[Lvl20DM]

17thknight wrote...

Razagon wrote...

2 years? I'm positive that she said "unknown.... could be months or years". I just see it as months because no one actually knows Reaper's speed.

Their speed is within the boundary of the speed of light, like all matter in this universe. Therefore, their speed, given where you see them outside of the galaxy at the end of part 2, would mean they'd be taking thousands of years to get back.

It's fiction, so yeah, we can ignore that I suppose, but it's still a little eyebrow raising.

If stuff traveling faster than light give you pause, then you would have had these problems from the very beginning of Mass Effect.

[Razagon]

If Normandy didn't have FTL the time you would spent from getting from one side of the cluster to the other is crazy, just arriving from the Sun to Pluto the whole crew would die from old age. Why wouldn't the Reapers have FTL?

[Gentleman Moogle]

OKay, see, this annoys me. ME is not "hard" science fiction, where the rules are adhered to and everything has to make sense. It is "Soft" science fiction, where rules are far less important than the story. We already have our HandWavium in the form of Element Zero, so "physics" is out the door from day one. And now that "physics" is out the door, anything else is possible.

Seriously, just enjoy the game.

[Zulu_DFA]

Mr. Sniper Rifle wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Actually, Shepard is now indoctrinated. That's why TIM wants to take him out.

 I'm half sure you're either joking, trolling or about to rattle off a conspiracy theory involving the Asari Illuminati, Grunt's new visor, and Mess Sergeant Gardner's cooking.

No, I can clearly see that as a possibility.

[Gill Kaiser]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

OKay, see, this annoys me. ME is not "hard" science fiction, where the rules are adhered to and everything has to make sense. It is "Soft" science fiction, where rules are far less important than the story. We already have our HandWavium in the form of Element Zero, so "physics" is out the door from day one. And now that "physics" is out the door, anything else is possible.

Seriously, just enjoy the game.

While ME got less hard from ME1 to ME2, I don't see why the existence of Element Zero indicates softer sci fi. What matters is how it's used. "Soft" sci-fi would be Star Trek, which doesn't even attempt to ground its stories in a scientific basis.

The Mass Effect series is medium hard, I'd say. Once you accept the introduction of Element Zero, the rest of the science is plausible.

A main point of sci fi is to extrapolate the effects on society of a certain change, in this case the existence of Element Zero and the discovery of the Galactic community.

[armass]

What I find more troubling is what did Shepard exactly do during those few months before he goes to the trial. Did he try to warn the galaxy, show evidence, maybe start gathering forces and making plans? Did any of this work?

If not, what the point of the Arrival really? You destroy the whole solar system and it does nothing? The reapers still come and trash earth, in the middle of your trial no less. Like no one ever saw their coming.

Modifié par armass, 11 avril 2011 - 10:51 .

[Gill Kaiser]

I'd imagine Shepard's waiting for his trial as the perfect opportunity to get his voice heard.

[Zulu_DFA]

armass wrote...

If not, what the point of the Arrival really? You destroy the whole solar system and it does nothing? The reapers still come and trash earth, in the middle of your trial no less. Like no one ever saw their coming.

Now, you've seen the light.

[AdmiralCheez]

armass wrote...

What I find more troubling is what did Shepard exactly do during those few months before he goes to the trial. Did he try to warn the galaxy, show evidence, maybe start gathering forces and making plans? Did any of this work?

Three words:

Ah yes, "Reapers."

If not, what the point of the Arrival really? You destroy the whole solar system and it does nothing? The reapers still come and trash earth, in the middle of your trial no less. Like no one ever saw their coming.

Would you rather force the Reapers to attack one planet at a time or have them zip straight to the Citadel, shut down the relays, and screw the whole galaxy at once?

[armass]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I'd imagine Shepard's waiting for his trial as the perfect opportunity to get his voice heard.

So he just sits on his ass a few months and thinks "yeah i will bring all this up in my trial for destroying a star system"

Modifié par armass, 11 avril 2011 - 10:54 .

[DaVanguard]

anyone notice the OP never reposted?

[AdmiralCheez]

DaVanguard wrote...

anyone notice the OP never reposted?

OH SHI--

[RyuGuitarFreak]

armass wrote...
If not, what the point of the Arrival really? You destroy the whole solar system and it does nothing? The reapers still come and trash earth, in the middle of your trial no less. Like no one ever saw their coming.

Yeah, what was the point in stopping Saren too?

[Da Mecca]

Arrival whole pint was to set up ME3 because they seemed to have forgotten to do it in the main game.

[Fluffy Pyro]

They forgot to set up for ME2 after the cheesy ME1 ending.

[Da Mecca]

Fluffy Pyro wrote...

They forgot to set up for ME2 after the cheesy ME1 ending.

I thought ME1's ending was awesome but yeah they did forget the set up.

[Urdnot Orrad]

I think Shepard's just waiting for the chance to do a reverse "air-quotes" thing if for some reason, the turian councilor is presiding over the trial via hologram and the Reapers attack just as the Councilor's about to say something stupid.

*Harbinger crashes into the Alliance Parliament*

Shepard: "Ah yes... 'Reapers'... dismiss them now... Councilor!"

Please, BioWare, let us get such a moment. I'm a full-on Paragon, but if that's a Renegade option, I'll take it!

[17thknight]

Lvl20DM wrote...


If stuff traveling faster than light give you pause, then you would have had these problems from the very beginning of Mass Effect.

Not really, mass relays are explainable as warped space-time.

[Fluffy Pyro]

It was awesome until Shepard walked out alive with that dumb grin, pretending to be injured. The ending was made worse when a 100 foot Shepard looked blankly forward while superimposed over what looks like the International Space Station.

And the Relays warping space-time was explained pretty poorly in ME1 anyway. A corridor of mass free space. Well that sure as hell is informative.

Modifié par Fluffy Pyro, 12 avril 2011 - 01:33 .

[Da Mecca]

I thought the grin was great considering what just happened.

But yeah that Shepard staring blankly into space thing was cheesy.

[Urdnot Orrad]

This thread reminds me, a question I've always wanted to ask...

why is Shepard somehow able to resist indoctrination?!

Yeah yeah, I know, Gameplay and Story Segregation (thank you, TVTropes, thou hast saved my meager brain)... but in-universe, is Shepard the reincarnation of a Reaper or something? Can Reapers even indoctrinate each other, maybe by way of viruses like the geth? O.O

I mean, only asari matriarchs have been able to resist the Indoctrination process so far, and that's only for short times. I don't get it.