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[piemanz]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

This thread reminds me, a question I've always wanted to ask...

why is Shepard somehow able to resist indoctrination?!

Yeah yeah, I know, Gameplay and Story Segregation (thank you, TVTropes, thou hast saved my meager brain)... but in-universe, is Shepard the reincarnation of a Reaper or something? Can Reapers even indoctrinate each other, maybe by way of viruses like the geth? O.O

I mean, only asari matriarchs have been able to resist the Indoctrination process so far, and that's only for short times. I don't get it.

Well, we know cerberus rebuilt Shep, and we also know cerberus had access to Reaper tech (Derelict Reaper), so it would not suprise me at all if shep was rebuilt using Reaper tech. It definatly makes sense. It would also explain renegade Sheps glowing eyes.

To the OP, i thought Kenson said it could be "Months, or even years", or something like that.I could be wrong though.

Modifié par piemanz, 12 avril 2011 - 01:48 .

[Kane-Corr]

^ The only way Reapers can indoctrinate you is if you were somehow "injected" or "fed" their nanobots/their composition. At least, that is what the book basically outlined for us. Also too, hanging around any Reaper...or Reaper artifact for too long will lead to indoctrination. So, as you can see, neither of these situations applies to Shepard.

[xenoreaper]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

This thread reminds me, a question I've always wanted to ask...

why is Shepard somehow able to resist indoctrination?!

Yeah yeah, I know, Gameplay and Story Segregation (thank you, TVTropes, thou hast saved my meager brain)... but in-universe, is Shepard the reincarnation of a Reaper or something? Can Reapers even indoctrinate each other, maybe by way of viruses like the geth? O.O

I mean, only asari matriarchs have been able to resist the Indoctrination process so far, and that's only for short times. I don't get it.

Thats what got me thinking, but i think its the amount of time you spends near a reaper object either inside it or within the vicinity of it.

Just like sheperd was on the derelict reaper that was dead and in mass effect during the citedal battle and now we have the arrival reaper artifact.

The affects of indoctrination only happen when a certain amount of time is spent inside or near the object

Matriarch Benezia said it herself when she first joined saren she tjhought she could resist indoctination but after quite some time it overwhelmed her.

[Manic Sheep]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

This thread reminds me, a question I've always wanted to ask...

why is Shepard somehow able to resist indoctrination?!

Yeah yeah, I know, Gameplay and Story Segregation (thank you, TVTropes, thou hast saved my meager brain)... but in-universe, is Shepard the reincarnation of a Reaper or something? Can Reapers even indoctrinate each other, maybe by way of viruses like the geth? O.O

I mean, only asari matriarchs have been able to resist the Indoctrination process so far, and that's only for short times. I don't get it.

Wait what? reincarnation? as in a reaper died and was randomly reborn as a human or do you mean somthing else?

Indoctrination takes weeks or more depending on the person. Shepard hasn’t been in contract with reaper tech that is known to indoctrinate for an extend period of time. You usually blow it up shortly after coming into contact with it.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 12 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[Urdnot Orrad]

^ True, true, I'd thought of that. But obviously s/he'll probably be spending a LOT of time close to Reapers in ME3... and Piemanz, that theory is interesting. I'd never thought of that, actually. Odd.

[Urdnot Orrad]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

This thread reminds me, a question I've always wanted to ask...

why is Shepard somehow able to resist indoctrination?!

Yeah yeah, I know, Gameplay and Story Segregation (thank you, TVTropes, thou hast saved my meager brain)... but in-universe, is Shepard the reincarnation of a Reaper or something? Can Reapers even indoctrinate each other, maybe by way of viruses like the geth? O.O

I mean, only asari matriarchs have been able to resist the Indoctrination process so far, and that's only for short times. I don't get it.

Wait what? reincarnation? as in a reaper died and was randomly reborn as a human?

Indoctrination takes weeks or more depending on the person. Shepard hasn’t been in contract with reaper tech that is known to indoctrinate for an extend periods of time. You usually blow it up shortly after coming into contact with it. Or you know maybe shepard is a rare individual who is immune to it or actual is getting indoctrinated.

Eh, I was just making a wild claim, for the lulz. And remember, even IF it's blown up, the "spirit" of the Reaper, or whatever you'd call it-- essence, maybe-- still remains and lingers.

[piemanz]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

^ True, true, I'd thought of that. But obviously s/he'll probably be spending a LOT of time close to Reapers in ME3... and Piemanz, that theory is interesting. I'd never thought of that, actually. Odd.

It's something i've been considering the last week or so, and it makes a lot of sense.

Theres also a line of dialogue at the very start where the illusive man is talking about ressurecting you.He says "Some would say we went to far", i always assumed it meant bringing him back was going too far, but it could also mean bringing him back they way they did was going to far.

Modifié par piemanz, 12 avril 2011 - 01:52 .

[Urdnot Orrad]

Quite possibly. Food for thought, hmm? And considering TIM is supposed to have come into contact with Reaper tech himself (since I suppose ME: Evolution has him as the main character)... Wait wait wait... then that'd mean TIM took decades to Indoctrinate!

[piemanz]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Quite possibly. Food for thought, hmm? And considering TIM is supposed to have come into contact with Reaper tech himself (since I suppose ME: Evolution has him as the main character)... Wait wait wait... then that'd mean TIM took decades to Indoctrinate!

Well my theory on the Illusive man is this.

Object Rho was reacting to the Reapers proximty, the closer they got, the quicker it pulsed. Now, the illusive man was affected by object Rho, so maybe the closer the Reapers get the more he's influenced.

Modifié par piemanz, 12 avril 2011 - 01:59 .

[Urdnot Orrad]

Hrm... I would suppose that could make sense, and it ties up that plot hole of "TIM wants you dead in ME3". Of COURSE he wants you dead; he's the new Saren!

[Kane-Corr]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Hrm... I would suppose that could make sense, and it ties up that plot hole of "TIM wants you dead in ME3". Of COURSE he wants you dead; he's the new Saren!

Possibly...OR, there's something about Shepard that may end this whole Reaper/Organic life war...


Bioware is going to hold this whole conflict clse to their hearts. I sense an epic plot twist here.

[piemanz]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Hrm... I would suppose that could make sense, and it ties up that plot hole of "TIM wants you dead in ME3". Of COURSE he wants you dead; he's the new Saren!

Exactly.

[Urdnot Orrad]

*fistbump... or rather, KROGAN HEADBUTT*

[dreman9999]

Mr. Sniper Rifle wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Actually, Shepard is now indoctrinated. That's why TIM wants to take him out.

 I'm half sure you're either joking, trolling or about to rattle off a conspiracy theory involving the Asari Illuminati, Grunt's new visor, and Mess Sergeant Gardner's cooking.

Ok, then....I'll bite..According to the ME:Evilution comic, TIM is partly indoctrinated, more than Sheperd. Why hasn't TIM blown his own brain out to save the human race?

[Da Mecca]

Same reason why Harbinger doesn't die when you kill the Collector he assumes direct control of even though this is what killed Sovereign.

[Autoclave]

Speaking frankly, if they managed to cover such a huge distance in two fricking years, the events of Arrival DLC hardly bought any time for the ME protagonists.

[Epic777]

Da Mecca wrote...

Same reason why Harbinger doesn't die when you kill the Collector he assumes direct control of even though this is what killed Sovereign.

You have failed we will find another way, releasing control ~BOOM~

[Thompson family]

People need to cool off on the "plothole" threads until we've seen the whole plot. The GI article clearly fills at least one, for instance, relating to how the Normandy can be all fixed up and ready to go if Shep cuts the cord with Cerberus by blowing up the base.

Modifié par Thompson family, 12 avril 2011 - 04:05 .

[wolfennights]

Vrex_12 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Kenson was indoctrinated the whole time. How credible was anything she told you?

Don't pick on everything

He has a point.

[didymos1120]

17thknight wrote...

Their speed is within the boundary of the speed of light, like all matter in this universe.

Um, what games have you been playing?  What do you think the mass effect cores in starships are for?  Have you read the Codex?

[JosephShrike]

Two things:

1) If the speed of ships, including the reapers, was within the boundary of the speed of light, it would have taken 100,000 years, give or take a couple, to get from the Citadel to Virmire. So...no. FTL drives stand for something and exist in sci-fi for the very real purpose of not having everyone in the galaxy die while people are trying to get from point a to b.

2) The Illusive Man, in the novels, has Reaper tech from the Collector base (which leads me to assume the novels 'canon' might differ from the actual game), but such close proximity would explain the indoctrination on his end. As far as Shepard, he seems well aware about the dangers of it, as opposed to being ignorant and/or arrogant about any percieved immunity (Arrival dialogue). Of course, maybe ME3 will end and Victoria Principal will wake up right before the credits.

Modifié par JosephShrike, 12 avril 2011 - 06:27 .

[piemanz]

didymos1120 wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Their speed is within the boundary of the speed of light, like all matter in this universe.

Um, what games have you been playing?  What do you think the mass effect cores in starships are for?  Have you read the Codex?

Also, the clues in the name. FTL - Faster Than Light.

[TwistedComplex]

As a wise man once said

Ships move at the speed of plot

Deal with it

[armass]

Would you have liked some Star Trekish technobabble to go along with it? Seriously this is not hard Sci-fi, so who cares?

Modifié par armass, 12 avril 2011 - 12:39 .