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[DocDoomII]

I'm actually in the DA:O-modding phase.
Trying out a lot of mod I missed in the past few months.
After that, I'll think I'll go playing Arkham Asylum and Demon Souls on my PS3. Gotta muster my motivation for that though. I hate playing without mouse and keyboard...

I'll get back to DA2 once it's 'patching/DLCing' life cycle gets to an end. Hoping that import bugs at least are sorted out (they even said they could look at ways to fix issues in DA:O saves with plot flag and romances)

[scpulley]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Meh..

DA2 isn't a bad game nor is it a great game.

Its just Mediocre.

That's pretty much my feeling, I'm sort of nuetral at this point. It's nice they fixed some annoying bugs, but even with that, I just don't get excited or attached to the story of the game. Mostly because I feel like it could have been good if they had respected their fanbase of DAO better and hadn't pretty much tossed everything good about DAO out the window with everything else. Don't fix what isn't broken next time. And don't call out your fans for not getting it or failing to understand the developer's great vision as a failure of the fans rather than a failure to execute their plan. Take blame where it's due, don't dump on your loyal fanbase.

Modifié par scpulley, 13 avril 2011 - 09:29 .

[vdeity]

Every BioWare game I own, I've played multiple times.
Mass Effect: At least... 4 times? Vanguard, Engineer, Adept, Infiltrator.
Mass Effect 2: Engineer, Vanguard, Infiltrator.
Dragon Age: Origins: Twice as Warrior, once as Mage (all of it -- DAO, Awakening, and all the following DLC)
Knights of the Old Republic: Twice light side, once dark side (Didn't care much for Dark )

DA2, though. <.< I got stuck in Act 3 because of the bugs and import errors.
I ended up deleting that save and starting again.
But now I'm just dillydallying around in A1. Not much motivation to go through it until I've read that it's fixed/patched to satisfaction.

Kinda wish I could just skip all treadmill combat in the game and watch the dialogue. That's the only part I like Even though it is mostly idle banter.

[Medhia Nox]

I am at "Acceptance".

- I accept that I will not purchase the next Bioware game that interests me without waiting at least a month to read reviews, examine the forums, and wait for the first patches to fix the initial bugs.

- I accept that I might not purchase another Bioware game for the PC. While I find the platform to be wildly superior - I cannot deny the return policy on games is a great advantage for consoles. As an owner of a 360 - I will likely enjoy the next few Bioware games as fast as possible and then return them.

- I accept that gaming might be changing into a form I am not interested in. I will then treat it like movies. Sometimes - I am interested in Blockbuster trash, but watching a movie is currently $10 (or free if I'm patient enough - and I mean legally) - so I tend to be more forgiving. I will only spend money of the DVD/Blue Ray for movies I believe to be quality. Sometimes "entertainment" is enough of a quality - but that's very rare. But $60 for mediocre entertainment? I consider myself far discerning (and possessing less disposable income) than that.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 avril 2011 - 09:50 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I've having too much fun playing Dragon Age II. It's not the best Bioware game but it's the most fun.

[solstickan]

I'm at the stage where I am griefing that Hawke's story is over and that I won't get to see any more of my dear companions (mainly Fenris), unless there is some DLC or they return for DA3... 

Oh, that is not what you meant when you said stages? Pardon me, then.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

solstickan wrote...

I'm at the stage where I am griefing that Hawke's story is over and that I won't get to see any more of my dear companions (mainly Fenris), unless there is some DLC or they return for DA3... 

Oh, that is not what you meant when you said stages? Pardon me, then.

The same here.

I want some Isabella and Merrill DLC and I WANT IT NOW!

[Tirigon]

solstickan wrote...

I'm at the stage where I am griefing that Hawke's story is over and that I won't get to see any more of my dear companions (mainly Fenris), unless there is some DLC or they return for DA3... 

Oh, that is not what you meant when you said stages? Pardon me, then.

It says a lot about a game´s quality (or rather, lack thereof) that people feel the need to apologize for having enjoyed it.

[Hyrus]

Everyone, Lets just all hope that Bioware will go back to being... Bioware. And not some branch company. [Grieving phase: Unknown due to unnatural brain waves]

[Medhia Nox]

I think it speaks volumes about the game that people will miss the companions more than they will miss Hawke. I've seen this comment stated in many threads by different people.

I wonder if people are seeing RPGs more like TV serials nowadays.

[orbit991]

In this case apathy is the last stage for me.

[Guldor]

I'm at the "glad I saw it coming with the DAO DLC quality and didn't buy DA2" stage. Not bragging but I am SO glad I haven't bought it and saved 60$ i can use for crysis 2.

Otherwise, I do feel bad for all of you. :-(

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Tirigon wrote...

It says a lot about a game´s quality (or rather, lack thereof) that people feel the need to apologize for having enjoyed it.

It says a lot more about the Bioware social community than it says about the game.

[TEWR]

the good news is that EA is going "**** we actually need to give them enough time to make a great game with a great story!"

I love DA2. I really do. For a game developed in such a brief amount of time it's good. But..... it could've been an amazing game had EA not been involved. It's not Bioware's fault. It's EA's. If that makes me a Bioware "fanboy" so be it.

But EA needs to learn from this horrific decision based on their insatiable greed, or Bioware needs to find another big name company to support them that isn't all greedy.

So in terms of grief cycle, it has nothing to do with DA2. Rather it has to do with EA.

I was in denial prior to release thinking EA wouldn't diminish the game.

Now I'm in anger moving on to acceptance.

That being said however, I still immensely love the game. Mainly due to Merrill, Isabella, and Varric. And Act 2. I don't really know how to accurately describe my feelings on the game, so please don't yell at me or anything

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 avril 2011 - 12:06 .

[TEWR]

jollyorigins wrote...

Grief is a bit strong for the situation but I guess I have accepted the game is average and too rushed to have been really good. Guess there's nothing to do now except wait for some DLC that will make the story a bit better in the future and some bug fixes to improve the story itself.

I'm kinda the same way I guess. The game can be salvaged through DLC and patches into anywhere ranging from above average to relatively awesome.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 avril 2011 - 12:17 .

[Kengis Khan]

I was initially traumatized, but I'm over it. It's a fun game I guess. I just try not to compare it to the prequel...
Hmm. Wonder what my warden is doing today.

[neppakyo]

Kengis Khan wrote...

I was initially traumatized, but I'm over it. It's a fun game I guess. I just try not to compare it to the prequel...
Hmm. Wonder what my warden is doing today.

I bet he's off plotting to kill hawke so hawke doesn't ruin another DA game 

*starts singing Primus' song 'my name is mud', while grabing some overalls and a shovel*

[Otterwarden]

FabianGrey wrote...

I'm in the stage of waiting for a certain group of polish guys to come save the day...

That's my stage as well.   Until then, I found a great You Tube video ("Taverne") that sets the mood... looks like betting might no longer be best 2 out of 3, which would be a welcomed change.

As for Bioware, I'm still in for a date end of year most probably.  After enjoying both ME1 and ME2 the user reviews would have to be around DA2 level before I might beg off.  Simply don't think that will be the case, but I will be keeping a close eye on You Tube interviews.... AND Bioware... if I hear the words "button awesome", the sale gets put off indefinitely!

With DA, I've reach the stage of acceptance.  Nothing written convinces me that the team in place can/will make the changes that would be necessary for me personally to enjoy the series. 

Edit:  Found this recent review very interesting in that the author was rather harsh on DA2:

www.destructoid.com/the-final-preview-the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings-198746.phtml

Modifié par Otterwarden, 14 avril 2011 - 05:23 .

[brgillespie]

Hyrus wrote...

Everyone, Lets just all hope that Bioware will go back to being... Bioware. And not some branch company. [Grieving phase: Unknown due to unnatural brain waves]

Blah.

Modifié par brgillespie, 14 avril 2011 - 02:05 .

[toggled]

Mrbananagrabber wrote...

Let me hack my own thread if you guys would allow me, and ask those who are indeed in the cycle this question:

How can we help things get better? How can we make EA/Bioware understand our point of view. Ranting on this forum will do absolutely nothing in the grand schemes of things (looking forward to having naysayers quote me on this). Regardless if it's a vocal minority or just a majority of apathic people who just moved on after the deception, how can we make our voices heard?

-Send EA emails?
-Call their customer service?

Believe me, I fully realize EA has it's share of guilt in this fiasco, but I also believe that the new direction (Mr Laidlaw being the major culprit) is to blame for this. He's the one who came out with the idea to make everything ''awesome'' and streamlined. As if that wasn't enough, I think we can agree his arrogant attitude towards the fanbase is unfit of the quality of the later, Bioware fans have always been supportive, appreciative and knowledgeable about the market and don't deserve to be treated like fair weather kids who don't know better than to question the absolute truth of his gospel.

I know from being a business grad that the client's voice is ALWAYS important, and the word of mouth of 10 clients with a positive experience will be negated by only one unpleased client. As such, I believe it's completely possible to make our voices heard and change the tangent the company is taking.

If all else fails, then I'm willing to leave this forum and forget about my favorite company from now on. But I'm not yet going down without a fight. I have NEVER, ever written to a game developper before, I've never ranted on any forum about a game before. Then again, a game has never disappointed me so much, it actually feels like a good friend stabbed me in the back.

PS: MrTijger, if all you're going to add to this conversation is calling people nerds or telling us how stupid we are, then please feel free to not post in this particular thread. I assure you, the rest of the forum, heck the rest of the internet is yours for the taking.

We cannot save Bioware from Bioware. They have chosen their path; their business analysists believe that rapid development and shallow games will make them rich in the short term... it's a business decision, that's all. We can't "teach Bioware a lesson" or "set them back on course". What we can do is stop buying their products. A new company will rise to take Bioware's place as King of Quality (and King of RPG). I'm sure there are people out there rubbing hands together, thinking that Bioware's market share will soon be theirs. That's how capitalism works.

[88mphSlayer]

i'm in the back-to-playing-other-games phase

been playing call of duty black ops, outrun online arcade on the 360 and left 4 dead 2, crysis 2, oblivion on the pc... need to get back to finishing fallout new vegas as well

i haven't finished my second playthrough of dragon age 2, will probably finish it later and then do a 3rd playthrough as a mage, but i'm having fun enough doing whatever right now... to be honest after dragon age 2 and mass effect 2 arrival dlc i'm kind of burned out talking about bioware for awhile

[Soilborn88]

I've entered the phase of, I don't give a **** about Bioware or Dragon Age 3 or Mass Effect 3, and have entered the stage that I must beat The Witcher with the Combat Rebalance Mod on Hard in prep for The Witcher 2 coming out next month.

By the time I get tired of The Witcher 2, Skyrim will be right around the corner and Bioware and this pathetic Dragon Age will be something everyone will just forget.

By the end of the year I look to see Dragon Age 2 on the "greatest hits" shelves going for 20-30 bucks.

Bioware doesn't care about producing great RPGs anymore, they only care about making more money and appealing to crowds of players who don't even like RPGs while totally throwing their old fans and loyal RPG fans under the rug.

Modifié par Soilborn88, 14 avril 2011 - 03:13 .

[bbatardo]

I am in acceptance. Sold the game for 40 bucks so only took a 20 buck loss for playing what I did of it before throwing in the towel. I loved DA:O so much I didn't think DA2 could be as bad as it was, but shows what I know.