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[Tae Jir]

Point coming up, but first:
(Steps off soap box, puts away last century placards)
Hi y'all! thanks for stopping in to my pet peeve.

Desire Demons.
For a gay inclusive company/game these Desire Demons are a major fail.
Oh yeah! you know where I'm going with this!

I'm happilly putting the moves on Anders and Fenris, hopeing no one gets too bent out of shape jealousy wise, 'cause I just don't want to commit right now, you know? and who could choose? who would want to? these are fine dudes, OK a bit...ummm...issue burdened...but mighty fine and I have high hopes for this Saturday night at the Hanged Man if that horny sailer gal just would stop spoiling the atmosphere with those oh so inappropriate comments!

Well, to make a long story only middling long: I get Desire Demons with tittie pasties!!??

Pleeeaaasseee!!

Would it be so difficult to have a trigger that trips when a male charachter chooses to romance one of the guys? And from then on have male Desire Demons or a mix at least for goddess' sake!

And if it IS difficult well, just never mind then.

That's funny, I thought I put that soap box away.
uh, thanks for listening.

peace

[David Gaider]

Crossroads_Wanderer wrote...
I'm playing a straight female Hawke who gets the same desire demons, so I don't think hetero-centrism is the right term. I don't think that desire demons are supposed to be all about lust, though, so I don't think it's really an issue. In fact, *spoiler* in the Fade, the only character who is given a sexual fantasy from the desire demon is Isabella, and that isn't even the primary temptation in that scenario *end spoiler*. I think desire demons are supposed to be more about giving characters whatever it is that they want. They probably find the form of a beautiful woman useful because women are less threatening than men and some people do find their forms sexually appealing.

Also, you really only see the desire demon in its natural form when you know that its a desire demon. I'm sure plenty of people deal with a desire demon in some other form, including male forms. So, if lust is the desire the demon is trying to cater to, it can pick an appropriate form.

This is correct. Desire demons are about desire and want, not simply lust. They are not succubi.

I'm all for having a male form for the desire demons-- really they are creatures of illusion and can look however they wish-- but not having a male version of their model was certainly not borne of a desire to have them only appeal to one gender or orientation.

Modifié par David Gaider, 12 avril 2011 - 03:36 .

[David Gaider]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...
When you think about it though, an androgynous desire demon would make more sense...

That was, in fact, the original concept. Sadly, it was a bit more difficult to convey without the model looking vaguely prepubescent-- which we wanted to avoid.

[David Gaider]

Tripedius wrote...
Also, why not focus on the majority of the players? What about lesbian players, this at least hetero ánd lesbian centrism. Why spend loads of resources on a minority (oke this is twice same argument)? Why bother at all, are you craving so badly that you have to have your kicks from a computergame? Cause it's all fine and dandy that there are gay people in this world and I wish them all the best, but most people are still heterosexual, having some gayness is a nice perk, but it isn't something we should spend so much attention on. Just be gay and live with it.

Aaaand this is the sort of privileged, insensitive argument that makes me think we should go ahead and make a male version of the demon regardless of them not really being all about sex.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 avril 2011 - 03:03 .

[David Gaider]

Icy Magebane wrote...
Dude... come on... that poster's not even out of line in saying that.  Isn't it enough that every companion is bisexual?  That the Blooming Rose is like 90% male prostitutes?  That the gay romances seem to be far deeper experiences than the straight ones (meaning, one of the two choices for a male PC is a promiscuous woman who tries to get with Zevran right in front of you... thanks)?  Do we really need scantily clad or even naked male demons on top of all that?

Now look, I have no problem with homosexuals, but honestly, let's not go crazy here... there's a such thing as too much.  This isn't even about equality anymore... DA2 is totally biased towards homosexuality in terms of quality romantic experiences.  Now you're just piling on the pain... almost punishing people for being straight.

Uh-huh.

Ignoring the fact that I wasn't actually serious about the male desire demon, let me point out that the game is in no way biased towards homosexuality. I hate constantly bringing up the word privilege, but when it applies so well it's hard not to use. Someone else getting more does not equate to you getting less, simply because you're accustomed to having it all to yourself. I get that not everyone digs the romance options-- really that's always going to be the case-- but you needn't feel so threatened you see an agenda behind it.

Because, yes, God forbid there be a scantily-clad, sexualized male demon existing as a counterpart to the scantily-clad, sexualized female demon. I mean, objectifying men as well as women? Whoa! Let's not get crazy or anything. There might be someone out there who finds that attractive-- and by that I mean a man, because what straight women want is irrelevant-- and that would be gay.

Sorry, but I'm not sure the argument you're making is the one you think it is.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 avril 2011 - 03:23 .

[David Gaider]

The Sum of all Evil wrote...
Yes, it is. By making homosexuality (almost) as prevalent as heterosexuality you in fact bias it (the setting) towards homosexuality. Which, of course, is your decision. Just as it is anyome's decision to buy the game or not.

The setting is not biased towards homosexuality.

The game has more options for players who wish access to homosexual content, at their option. That does not mean it's everywhere in the world-- unless perhaps you're seeing it in many more places than it actually exists, I can't really account for your perceptions. Regardless, having something equally prevalent (as you yourself imply) does not make it biased by definition.

As for someone deciding to buy the game or not-- if that's an implied threat, by all means it is indeed correct that everyone is free to base their purchasing on whatever criteria they like. Even if that's the existence of content they aren't interested in or don't wish to use. Maybe it makes you feel uncomfortable? I imagine there's a lot of content in a mature-rated game like ours that could make someone feel uncomfortable, and quite frankly we don't install toggles for any of it.

Insofar as purchasing goes, however, I can easily imagine there being just as much economic value in providing content for a small but underserviced market as there is in providing content for a large but overserviced one... but that would be a bit logical leap to make no matter which way you look at it, as I'm certain the reasons people buy games is usually not so focused on a single issue.

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And now it seems a thread which I'm not certain was even all that serious has brought out a bit of ugliness. I suggest people either tone down the rhetoric or head elsewhere.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 avril 2011 - 04:07 .

[Stanley Woo]

I tried to allow this discussion to stand by removing the extraneous chatter, but I think the silliness has gone far enough.

End of line.