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[The Angry One]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Dude... come on... that poster's not even out of line in saying that.  Isn't it enough that every companion is bisexual?  That the Blooming Rose is like 90% male prostitutes?

There is one female prostitute per "tier" in the Rose.
Not forgetting that the whole thing is a gag that a few people seem to take WAY too seriously.

That the gay romances seem to be far deeper experiences than the straight ones (meaning, one of the two choices for a male PC is a promiscuous woman who tries to get with Zevran right in front of you... thanks)?

And in DA:O the only male homosexual romance was that very same Zevran, who is as promiscuous as Isabela.

Do we really need scantily clad or even naked male demons on top of all that?

But we do need scantily clad female demons?

Now look, I have no problem with homosexuals, but honestly, let's not go crazy here... there's a such thing as too much.  This isn't even about equality anymore... DA2 is totally biased towards homosexuality in terms of quality romantic experiences.  Now you're just piling on the pain... almost punishing people for being straight.

"Yes, you fear homosexuals will swoop down upon you!"

[Fruit of the Doom]

Calling all heterosexual males!

Please, express your hatred of anything that appeals to someone other than you!

Do it as rudely and loudly as possible!

[Fruit of the Doom]

The Angry One wrote...

"Yes, you fear homosexuals will swoop down upon you!"

I fell over laughing!

[Rinji the Bearded]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

"Yes, you fear homosexuals will swoop down upon you!"

I fell over laughing!

Swooping is...

LOL I wanna draw Anders saying that now, borrowing Morrigan's pose.

[AlexXIV]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Calling all heterosexual males!

Please, express your hatred of anything that appeals to someone other than you!

Do it as rudely and loudly as possible!

I play female chars mostly and have female Lis if any (ok Alistair is the exception of the rule). And I hate everyone who plays male characters or romances male NPCs. So. There you have it.

[AlexXIV]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

"Yes, you fear homosexuals will swoop down upon you!"

I fell over laughing!

Funny as it is, it is probably true.

[The Sum of all Evil]

David Gaider wrote...

Ignoring the fact that I wasn't actually serious about the male desire demon, let me point out that the game is in no way biased towards homosexuality.
[...]

Yes, it is. By making homosexuality (almost) as prevalent as heterosexuality you in fact bias it (the setting) towards homosexuality. Which, of course, is your decision. Just as it is anyome's decision to buy the game or not.

David Gaider wrote...
I hate constantly bringing up the word privilege [...]

Oh no, pleas keep it up. I actually first heard of this newest liberal (as in common US political usage) catchphrase here on this board. Gonna try this argument with my cardealer when demanding reintroduction of a manual 6-step sequetial gear-**** with dual clutch instead of this lazy automatics.

Modifié par The Sum of all Evil, 13 avril 2011 - 03:40 .

[The Angry One]

David Gaider wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...
Dude... come on... that poster's not even out of line in saying that.  Isn't it enough that every companion is bisexual?  That the Blooming Rose is like 90% male prostitutes?  That the gay romances seem to be far deeper experiences than the straight ones (meaning, one of the two choices for a male PC is a promiscuous woman who tries to get with Zevran right in front of you... thanks)?  Do we really need scantily clad or even naked male demons on top of all that?

Now look, I have no problem with homosexuals, but honestly, let's not go crazy here... there's a such thing as too much.  This isn't even about equality anymore... DA2 is totally biased towards homosexuality in terms of quality romantic experiences.  Now you're just piling on the pain... almost punishing people for being straight.

Uh-huh.

Ignoring the fact that I wasn't actually serious about the male desire demon, let me point out that the game is in no way biased towards homosexuality. I hate constantly bringing up the word privilege, but when it applies so well it's hard not to use. Someone else getting more does not equate to you getting less, simply because you're accustomed to having it all to yourself. I get that not everyone digs the romance options-- really that's always going to be the case-- but you needn't feel so threatened you see an agenda behind it.

Because, yes, God forbid there be a scantily-clad, sexualized male demon existing as a counterpart to the scantily-clad, sexualized female demon. I mean, objectifying men as well as women? Whoa! Let's not get crazy or anything. There might be someone out there who finds that attractive-- and by that I mean a man, because what straight women want is irrelevant-- and that would be gay.

Sorry, but I'm not sure the argument you're making is the one you think it is.

You know, the priviledge thing I've always found odd, in that there are plenty of games that cater mostly to male heterosexuals.
I'm hesitant to bring up the Witcher again, but I'm bringing up the Witcher again. It has a target audience and boy is it going to cater to them. So people with a problem with what Dragon Age may or may not do can go play that.
Just because one RPG in a whole sea of them does things differently suddenly it's "omg gay agenda!".

And no, what females want is irrelevant. We're all playing Barbie's Horse Adventure 5: The Pinkening don't you know.

[Asdara]

The Angry One wrote...


You know, the priviledge thing I've always found odd, in that there are plenty of games that cater mostly to male heterosexuals.
I'm hesitant to bring up the Witcher again, but I'm bringing up the Witcher again. It has a target audience and boy is it going to cater to them. So people with a problem with what Dragon Age may or may not do can go play that.
Just because one RPG in a whole sea of them does things differently suddenly it's "omg gay agenda!".

And no, what females want is irrelevant. We're all playing Barbie's Horse Adventure 5: The Pinkening don't you know.

The Pinkening is out already?!  Damn, I was going to pre-order that. <_<

Seriously though, I appreciate you mentioning this because I am sick to death of the homosexual males and heterosexual males bickering.  My ovaries demand more sexy time with all persons who have a compelling romantic storyline, and that's that.  

Also - female pride demons would be awesome (and really, we probably should have had both genders of all demons from the start, but demons are probably asexual - shame they've been shown to have gender trends so obviously linked to their 'type') and male desire demons are fine by me too.  Variety is the spice of life.

[_Aine_]

The Angry One wrote...

And no, what females want is irrelevant. We're all playing Barbie's Horse Adventure 5: The Pinkening don't you know.

...

I melted my barbie's head in a glass jar on accident.  It started a downward spiral into video games and violence. Pink, sparkly, rainbow violence, but violence all the same.   Damn Barbie and her pretty pony, damn her all to hell.  
Well, as a female, being irrelevant, I am here to root for the gay males then, since we are all taking sides?  Go Team Go!!  

 ... 

[IoCaster]

David Gaider wrote...
Aaaand this is the sort of privileged, insensitive argument that makes me think we should go ahead and make a male version of the demon regardless of them not really being all about sex.

<3
How about a bestiality or zoophilia desire demon? Perhaps something with mass market appeal like a Satyr/Satyress. Heck, I'm sure that just putting 'lipstick on a pig' would be sufficiently enticing to some underserved demographic somewhere.
 <3:wub:

The animal fetishists are a minority and heavily discriminated against. The practice is entirely legal in several countries around the world. Why not try and cater to all potential audiences? 

[Fruit of the Doom]

Oh, so now homosexuality is equivalent to bestiality?

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 13 avril 2011 - 03:42 .

[The Sum of all Evil]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Oh, so homosexuality is equivalent to bestiality?

Of course, and both are equivalent to heterosexuality.

[Raanz]

Keep your political correctness out of my FANTASY game. I say that half jokingly, but in all seriousness; isn't this getting a tad bit out of control?

I think they should make all companions and npcs tranquil blobs of clay, that way players can just imagine them the way they want them....no visual cues to skew a player's play style.

[Fruit of the Doom]

The Sum of all Evil wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Oh, so homosexuality is equivalent to bestiality?

Of course, and both are equivalent to heterosexuality.

If that's how you feel, then sure.

Let's include them all!

Oh wait, you could have sex with nugs in DA:O...

[David Gaider]

The Sum of all Evil wrote...
Yes, it is. By making homosexuality (almost) as prevalent as heterosexuality you in fact bias it (the setting) towards homosexuality. Which, of course, is your decision. Just as it is anyome's decision to buy the game or not.

The setting is not biased towards homosexuality.

The game has more options for players who wish access to homosexual content, at their option. That does not mean it's everywhere in the world-- unless perhaps you're seeing it in many more places than it actually exists, I can't really account for your perceptions. Regardless, having something equally prevalent (as you yourself imply) does not make it biased by definition.

As for someone deciding to buy the game or not-- if that's an implied threat, by all means it is indeed correct that everyone is free to base their purchasing on whatever criteria they like. Even if that's the existence of content they aren't interested in or don't wish to use. Maybe it makes you feel uncomfortable? I imagine there's a lot of content in a mature-rated game like ours that could make someone feel uncomfortable, and quite frankly we don't install toggles for any of it.

Insofar as purchasing goes, however, I can easily imagine there being just as much economic value in providing content for a small but underserviced market as there is in providing content for a large but overserviced one... but that would be a bit logical leap to make no matter which way you look at it, as I'm certain the reasons people buy games is usually not so focused on a single issue.

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And now it seems a thread which I'm not certain was even all that serious has brought out a bit of ugliness. I suggest people either tone down the rhetoric or head elsewhere.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 avril 2011 - 04:07 .

[KSuri]

David Gaider wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...
Dude... come on... that poster's not even out of line in saying that.  Isn't it enough that every companion is bisexual?  That the Blooming Rose is like 90% male prostitutes?  That the gay romances seem to be far deeper experiences than the straight ones (meaning, one of the two choices for a male PC is a promiscuous woman who tries to get with Zevran right in front of you... thanks)?  Do we really need scantily clad or even naked male demons on top of all that?

Now look, I have no problem with homosexuals, but honestly, let's not go crazy here... there's a such thing as too much.  This isn't even about equality anymore... DA2 is totally biased towards homosexuality in terms of quality romantic experiences.  Now you're just piling on the pain... almost punishing people for being straight.

Uh-huh.

Ignoring the fact that I wasn't actually serious about the male desire demon, let me point out that the game is in no way biased towards homosexuality. I hate constantly bringing up the word privilege, but when it applies so well it's hard not to use. Someone else getting more does not equate to you getting less, simply because you're accustomed to having it all to yourself. I get that not everyone digs the romance options-- really that's always going to be the case-- but you needn't feel so threatened you see an agenda behind it.

Because, yes, God forbid there be a scantily-clad, sexualized male demon existing as a counterpart to the scantily-clad, sexualized female demon. I mean, objectifying men as well as women? Whoa! Let's not get crazy or anything. There might be someone out there who finds that attractive-- and by that I mean a man, because what straight women want is irrelevant-- and that would be gay.

Sorry, but I'm not sure the argument you're making is the one you think it is.

As a straight (only when convenient in video games) female I wholely support scantily-clad, highly sexualized male desire demons! It would be even more awesome if it switched from female to male in direct response to the player's LI choice or, if no LI, gender of the player.

Desire Demon: "Perhaps you're interested in other pleasures." (F!Desire Demon does sexy hand over boob motion) "No? Then this might be more to your interest." (smokey haze) Dazzlyingly sexy M!Desire Demon looks lecherously at the player.  (Runs hand in opposite direction on the torso)

My poor PC might actually consider the offer then.

[Fruit of the Doom]

KSuri wrote...

As a straight (only when convenient in video games) female I wholely support scantily-clad, highly sexualized male desire demons! It would be even more awesome if it switched from female to male in direct response to the player's LI choice or, if no LI, gender of the player.

Desire Demon: "Perhaps you're interested in other pleasures." (F!Desire Demon does sexy hand over boob motion) "No? Then this might be more to your interest." (smokey haze) Dazzlyingly sexy M!Desire Demon looks lecherously at the player.  (Runs hand in opposite direction on the torso)

My poor PC might actually consider the offer then.

Good point, I never found Desire Demons particularly tempting or enthralling because I have no interest in females.  Making them appeal to straight females and gay males would also have the effect of making them more "effective" as characters, lol.

[The Angry One]

KSuri wrote...

Desire Demon: "Perhaps you're interested in other pleasures." (F!Desire Demon does sexy hand over boob motion) "No? Then this might be more to your interest." (smokey haze) Dazzlyingly sexy M!Desire Demon looks lecherously at the player.  (Runs hand in opposite direction on the torso)

I've just imagined a great scene where I drive the desire demon nuts by continually having it switch back and forth between female and male.

[AlexXIV]

I guess desire demons should look like cookies. Then everyone is happy. Unless you don't like cookies in which case you can start a thread that bashes Bioware for forcing cookies on you.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 13 avril 2011 - 03:50 .

[JesterPsychotica]

David Gaider wrote...

Because, yes, God forbid there be a scantily-clad, sexualized male demon existing as a counterpart to the scantily-clad, sexualized female demon. I mean, objectifying men as well as women? Whoa! Let's not get crazy or anything. There might be someone out there who finds that attractive-- and by that I mean a man, because what straight women want is irrelevant-- and that would be gay.

Sorry, but I'm not sure the argument you're making is the one you think it is.

I love you, Mr. Gaider.

[JesterPsychotica]

The Angry One wrote...

KSuri wrote...

Desire Demon: "Perhaps you're interested in other pleasures." (F!Desire Demon does sexy hand over boob motion) "No? Then this might be more to your interest." (smokey haze) Dazzlyingly sexy M!Desire Demon looks lecherously at the player.  (Runs hand in opposite direction on the torso)

I've just imagined a great scene where I drive the desire demon nuts by continually having it switch back and forth between female and male.

OH! The AGONY of Deciding! 

[Rinji the Bearded]

I'd like some more opportunities to objectify men. Ah, those days when I'd stare the armor right off Alistair and Zevran... now the fine tradition continues with Anders, Fenris, and to some extent, Sebastian (though that Andraste belt is one stubborn thing to remove).

[IoCaster]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...
Oh, so now homosexuality is equivalent to bestiality?

I'll answer this seriously and honestly. No, I don't think that homosexuality is akin to bestiality at all. My point was to simply demonstrate that once you start down that slippery slope of sexualizing a mass market video game then you have to deal with the repercussions. There is no single identity group that wants to feel like it's getting short changed on the content.

[Maria Caliban]

I like the thread more when it was about the various desire demons we wanted to see and less about how the forces of homosexuality have been unleashed on Thedas and will soon cover the land in inky darkness.

David Gaider wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...
When you think about it though, an androgynous desire demon would make more sense...

That was, in fact, the original concept. Sadly, it was a bit more difficult to convey without the model looking vaguely prepubescent-- which we wanted to avoid.

Yeah. I can appreciate that.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 avril 2011 - 04:10 .