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[The Sum of all Evil]

David Gaider wrote...

 Regardless, having something equally prevalent (as you yourself imply) does not make it biased by definition.

So, a setting that had as many dragons as humans would not make it biased towards dragons?

As for someone deciding to buy the game or not-- if that's an implied threat, by all means it is indeed correct that everyone is free to base their purchasing on whatever criteria they like.

Actually it was not. As you can see, I already bought it and I don't regret it. I like the game, although I don't love it, as I did DAO. But for very different reasons... I don't that much for in-game sexuality.

 Even if that's the existence of content they aren't interested in or don't with to use, but which other people might like. Maybe that makes you feel uncomfortable?

Not at all. Otherwise I would feel very uncomfy at most of all the parties I go to, but that's content for even 'less privileged' boards...*LOL*

  I imagine there's a lot of content in a mature-rated game that could make someone feel uncomfortable, and quite frankly we don't install toggles for any of it.

That's OK with me, but what about an indepenent FF-toggle ;-)? 
 

Insofar as purchasing goes, however, I can easily imagine there being just as much economic value in providing something for an underserviced market as there is in providing content for an overserviced one... but that would be a bit logical leap to make no matter which way you look at it, as I'm certain the reasons people buy games is usually not so focused on a single issue.

As a believer in the effincency of free markets, I am sure you (as BW/EA) would know better than me.

And now it seems a thread which I'm not certain was even all that serious has brought out a bit of ugliness. I suggest people either tone down the rhetoric or head elsewhere.

Freedom may sometimes be ugly, but always worth it.

[The Angry One]

IoCaster wrote...

I'll answer this seriously and honestly. No, I don't think that homosexuality is akin to bestiality at all. My point was to simply demonstrate that once you start down that slippery slope of sexualizing a mass market video game then you have to deal with the repercussions. There is no single identity group that wants to feel like it's getting short changed on the content.

And that's why the slippery slope is a logical fallacy.
If you can't see why, I'm not going to bother explaining.

Maria Caliban wrote...

I like the thread more when it was about the various desire demons we wanted to see and less about how the forces of homosexuality have been unleashed on Thedas and will soon cover the land in inky darkness.

Sadly this seems to always be inevitable, because it included discussions on sexualising the male body. I mean, oh no!

Modifié par The Angry One, 13 avril 2011 - 04:13 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

IoCaster wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...
Oh, so now homosexuality is equivalent to bestiality?

I'll answer this seriously and honestly. No, I don't think that homosexuality is akin to bestiality at all. My point was to simply demonstrate that once you start down that slippery slope of sexualizing a mass market video game then you have to deal with the repercussions. There is no single identity group that wants to feel like it's getting short changed on the content.

Here you go:

http://www.logicalfa...slippery-slope/

[IoCaster]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

IoCaster wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...
Oh, so now homosexuality is equivalent to bestiality?

I'll answer this seriously and honestly. No, I don't think that homosexuality is akin to bestiality at all. My point was to simply demonstrate that once you start down that slippery slope of sexualizing a mass market video game then you have to deal with the repercussions. There is no single identity group that wants to feel like it's getting short changed on the content.

Here you go:

http://www.logicalfa...slippery-slope/

Right and that's a convenient diversion and logical fallacy in it's own right. It's proved to be false in this very thread. Perhaps it's best to rely on your own logical process of thought than to rely on reductionist 'tropes'.

[The Angry One]

Alright enough with trying to engage blockheads in debates, more talk on the potential sexiness of desire demons, male, female or androgynous. Go!

[KSuri]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KSuri wrote...

Desire Demon: "Perhaps you're interested in other pleasures." (F!Desire Demon does sexy hand over boob motion) "No? Then this might be more to your interest." (smokey haze) Dazzlyingly sexy M!Desire Demon looks lecherously at the player.  (Runs hand in opposite direction on the torso)

I've just imagined a great scene where I drive the desire demon nuts by continually having it switch back and forth between female and male.

OH! The AGONY of Deciding! 

How much fun would THAT be?? To make a desire demon stomp off in frustration.

"Can I see option #1 again."
"Hmmm, the second pls."
"I think I need to see #1 once more."

:devil:

[Ealos]

The Angry One wrote...

And that's why the slippery slope is a logical fallacy.
If you can't see why, I'm not going to bother explaining.

Isn't this thread in favour of more fallacy when it comes to the desire demons?

[AlexXIV]

The Sum of all Evil wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

 Regardless, having something equally prevalent (as you yourself imply) does not make it biased by definition.

So, a setting that had as many dragons as humans would not make it biased towards dragons?

I think I know the answer to this. Is it no? Because I think it is no.

[AlexXIV]

The Angry One wrote...

Alright enough with trying to engage blockheads in debates, more talk on the potential sexiness of desire demons, male, female or androgynous. Go!

I am wondering if you could, instead of showing them naked, give them some sort of robe. And this robe makes them still look 'desireable' but uncertain if they are actually male or female. And their voice would of course also have to not be much of a clue to their sex. For some reason I am now thinking of a cute little bunny even though I have no idea how that is related to my first sentence.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Ealos wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

And that's why the slippery slope is a logical fallacy.
If you can't see why, I'm not going to bother explaining.

Isn't this thread in favour of more fallacy when it comes to the desire demons?

No.  Either you have no idea what the slippery slope fallacy is, or you are trolling.

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 13 avril 2011 - 04:29 .

[Maria Caliban]

Gay people are dragons.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Gay people are dragons.

rawr

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 13 avril 2011 - 04:33 .

[AlexXIV]

http://en.wikipedia..../Slippery_slope

[The Angry One]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Gay people are dragons.

So that's why Flemeth was giving me the eye.

[AlexXIV]

The Angry One wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Gay people are dragons.

So that's why Flemeth was giving me the eye.

No I think she was just being hungry. After one year in some ... magical thing.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 13 avril 2011 - 04:37 .

[KSuri]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Aradace wrote...
I dont need "material" Im married 

You have my condolences.

I'm sorry, I laughed!

I seriously don't know why this always gets into a slinging contest. You know what, I like the sexy scantily clad desire demons. I think they're sexy and cool. I also enjoy the nude and semi-nude sculpture in the Lourve and Vatican. And yes, I really thought the "Tent time" scenes in DA:O and ME! were sexy in a good way.

......crap.....I just lost the point I was trying to make! :innocent:

Modifié par KSuri, 13 avril 2011 - 04:45 .

[IoCaster]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...
No.Either you have no idea what the slippery slope fallacy is, or you are trolling.

It must be comforting to imagine that there is no 'cause and effect' or 'chain of errors' that lead to predictable outcomes. How in fact do you explain this thread? Did it spin itself out of some whimsical 'emanation of a penumbra'?

[AlexXIV]

IoCaster wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...
No.Either you have no idea what the slippery slope fallacy is, or you are trolling.

It must be comforting to imagine that there is no 'cause and effect' or 'chain of errors' that lead to predictable outcomes. How in fact do you explain this thread? Did it spin itself out of some whimsical 'emanation of a penumbra'?

Well this thread exist because different people want different things.

[shaneho78]

Male desire demon = Incubus?

[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

That was, in fact, the original concept. Sadly, it was a bit more difficult to convey without the model looking vaguely prepubescent-- which we wanted to avoid.

That anime design few posts above does pretty good job at it, i'd think. If it's as tall as human male it'd hopefully look "adult" enough? Similar how you scaled the DA2 elves up to counter the same impression.

The androgynous desire demons sound really interesting.

[Raanz]

tmp7704 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

That was, in fact, the original concept. Sadly, it was a bit more difficult to convey without the model looking vaguely prepubescent-- which we wanted to avoid.

That anime design few posts above does pretty good job at it, i'd think. If it's as tall as human male it'd hopefully look "adult" enough? Similar how you scaled the DA2 elves up to counter the same impression.

The androgynous desire demons sound really interesting.

Yep, should have made them all look like Pat from the SNL skit.

[KSuri]

tmp7704 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

That was, in fact, the original concept. Sadly, it was a bit more difficult to convey without the model looking vaguely prepubescent-- which we wanted to avoid.

That anime design few posts above does pretty good job at it, i'd think. If it's as tall as human male it'd hopefully look "adult" enough? Similar how you scaled the DA2 elves up to counter the same impression.

The androgynous desire demons sound really interesting.

Honestly, I'd just really like it if the males looked like males. You know, like how the female desire demons seem to amplify what is considered highly appealing and recognizably female? (And adult.) So, yes please, on male desire demons who look like males infused with a healthy amount of testosterone! (And not those double Y guys that make you mildly afraid. lol)

[Fruit of the Doom]

Raanz wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

That was, in fact, the original concept. Sadly, it was a bit more difficult to convey without the model looking vaguely prepubescent-- which we wanted to avoid.

That anime design few posts above does pretty good job at it, i'd think. If it's as tall as human male it'd hopefully look "adult" enough? Similar how you scaled the DA2 elves up to counter the same impression.

The androgynous desire demons sound really interesting.

Yep, should have made them all look like Pat from the SNL skit.

I would have settled for Rachel Maddow.  I'm gay, but I still think she is cute!  

EDIT: Also, every time I tried designing a male elf character in Origins, it ended up looking like Rachel Maddow for some reason.  And all my male humans ended up looking like Ben Affleck!  >_<

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 13 avril 2011 - 05:09 .

[Maria Caliban]

KSuri wrote...

Honestly, I'd just really like it if the males looked like males. You know, like how the female desire demons seem to amplify what is considered highly appealing and recognizably female? (And adult.) So, yes please, on male desire demons who look like males infused with a healthy amount of testosterone! (And not those double Y guys that make you mildly afraid. lol)

What you're saying is that you want Varric with horns and voice synthesizing?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 avril 2011 - 05:09 .

[Herr Uhl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

What you're saying is that you want Varric with horns and voice synthesizing?

Don't forget the tail. And flaming chest-hair.