I haven’t tried any of the links as i don’t want any spoilers for TW2 but if they do them like in ME1 i would be very happy as they were very well done.
Would people like their sex scenes more like this? [NSFW]
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#53
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:07
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Considering the game's rating, the amount of killing, cursing, and blood, and other mature themes it boggles the mind that Bioware would get all squirmy over sex scenes.
#54
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:08
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As long as the game already has a Mature/18+ rating I wouldn't mind the love scenes being a little more explicit. I'm thinking something along the lines of ME1 but with perhaps some tantalizing glimpses. Don't get me wrong - there's no need for in-your-face genitals or anything, but after shooting, burning, stabbing, punching and exploding assorted humans/aliens/monsters, a bare breast or someone's butt isn't going to do me any lasting harm.
#55
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:11
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Yes I'd be fine with it but I would point out that we dont know if those scenes will stay in TW2 until the final product has been released. I hope so but I'd rather know for sure.
#56
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:12
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I'm an adult and I'm comfortable with romance and erotica. If it's clearly labeled, I'm not opposed to having it in games. One problem that isn't being mentioned is that of animation. Every cutscene involves a fair amount of time and effort. Ignoring the whole granny underwear issue, have you seen the romance scenes in DAO and DA2? They're clunky. There are clipping issues, alignment issues and empty space between the lovers.
The problem with any sort of physical contact from full on sexual intercourse to simple kissing is that it's tricky to pull off. Get one thing wrong and your hormone fueled moment of passion turns into Team America.
I think most game devs look at it as a time and resource management issue. If they get it right, some of the fans will love them. Get it wrong and everyone will hate it. Far easier to fade to black and avoid the whole can of worms.
I wish they wouldn't. If I had my druthers there would be ample opportunities for snogging and some tasteful lovemaking scenes. But seeing all the other corners that were cut in DA2, I'd hate to see what would have been left it out if they had catered to my desires.
The problem with any sort of physical contact from full on sexual intercourse to simple kissing is that it's tricky to pull off. Get one thing wrong and your hormone fueled moment of passion turns into Team America.
I think most game devs look at it as a time and resource management issue. If they get it right, some of the fans will love them. Get it wrong and everyone will hate it. Far easier to fade to black and avoid the whole can of worms.
I wish they wouldn't. If I had my druthers there would be ample opportunities for snogging and some tasteful lovemaking scenes. But seeing all the other corners that were cut in DA2, I'd hate to see what would have been left it out if they had catered to my desires.
#57
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:15
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fchopin wrote...
I haven’t tried any of the links as i don’t want any spoilers for TW2 but if they do them like in ME1 i would be very happy as they were very well done.
Well, here's one. TW2 has a framed narrative like DA2
#58
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:16
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I would like scenes like that. If Devs decides to include sex scens in MATURE games, there shouldn't be sex with panties, it's looks pathetic. It would be better not include them at all if they can't be done right. Anyway the only sex scene in BioWare games I really like ( and replay a few times) is from ME1 between my Shep and Kaidan..
#59
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:31
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MrTijger wrote...
Well, here's one. TW2 has a framed narrative like DA2
I have not seen any narration in TW2 apart for the Triss trailer which is not part of the game
#60
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:36
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I fell asleep after putting this up so yea I didn't get to talk to all of you about my views 
So here it!
First I want to bring up a movie named "Shortbus" and a the description from IMDB.
"Coming (literally) at you like a steamroller, Shortbus blasts onto the
screen with some incredibly explicit sexual acts as it introduces the
main characters. And as the film progresses, the opening sequence makes
sense. Exploring many aspects of sexuality (both hetero, ****** and
whatever), this no holds barred film also explores tenuous
relationships and the sexual bond that holds us together or pushes us
apart. This is not sex as eroticism, but as a part of the human
condition. The acting evinces a realism that was achieved by a
collaboration between the actors and the writer/ director of the film.
Shortbus is a worthwhile film experience if the viewer is open minded
and able to see it as commentary about the human condition."
A lot of crtics have claimed the movie is basically porn. A lot of people have also said it's not. The director has said
"Sex, like music, is a universal language. We want to use it to introduce character, evoke emotion, propel the plot."
Bioware introduced romance between companions back in Baldur's Gate. Since then every game as well. Now I don't remember if Baldur's Gate had a sex scene or Knights of The Old Republic, Jade Empire was in a tent and we didn't see it (I think..) but Mass Effect and Dragon Age has it.
My point is if Bioware decides to put it in the games they should try and do a good job of it. No half-ass work. Clearly they are bigger then CDProjekt and can take their time on FUTURE titles to try and give us tasteful well crafted sexual content. Because like the director of Shortbus John Cameron Mitchell says that the dictionary defines porn as "material created and
viewed for the primary purpose of sexual arousal," and argues that the
sex in Shortbus is often purposefully "de-eroticized" to "remove
the cloud of arousal to reveal emotions and ideas that might have been
obscured by it".
I don't know about anyone else but I never found these scenes pornographic or titilating like Fox but I was annoyed at how it was handled. Bioware wants us to romance their companions and try out their games to the fullest but this is something that probably doesn't add much to the gameplay but it adds to the story. Mass Effect 3 wise it might be the last Shepard would ever see his squad wouldn't anyone want to spend it with someone they cared for and you know "make love" or Dragon Age 2's the sex scene really only happened after some quest or turmoil such as Merrill or Anders wouldn't the person playing the game see it more as a touching moment instead of something added for the males?
While Bioware and CDProjekt are two different companies and from different parts of the world we saw how useless censorship can ruin a game, at least for the people who played the original Witcher. If you didn't i'll break it down for you.
Not only were sex cards censored, which didn't bother me, but so was blood. That bothered and rubbed me the wrong way. Some finishing moves were censored from the game as well because it was seen as too graphic. Eventually North Americans just started modding/hacking or adding the uncensored files into their NA version of the game because after all it's a game and a form of entertainment and sometimes Art and should be treated as such. Also CDProjekt has said they want mature sexual content that is tied to the story and not handled like it was in The Witcher 1. By making it full nudity and damning the censorship they are furthering making The WItcher 2 look amazing. Keeping the full intergrity of the European version and cutting content because we Americans are feel icky about some parts of the game.
We're in the damn 21st century for religion to still be so prevalent in our entertainment is sickening at times. Obviously you can see I blame religion for this among other things. But if certain aspects of a game are going to be lost because of ideologies then it's up to the developer to try and get as much out there as possible. Remember when movies couldn't even have people kissing? Games to me anyways can be an art form just as much as entertainment but Video Games need to progress and that falls on to the developers/studios.
TL:DR = I want an M rating to mean Mature because the whole game is mature and no aspect of a game should suffer because of censorship or not wanting to face criticism since it's the customers and fans Bioware should care about.
So here it!
First I want to bring up a movie named "Shortbus" and a the description from IMDB.
"Coming (literally) at you like a steamroller, Shortbus blasts onto the
screen with some incredibly explicit sexual acts as it introduces the
main characters. And as the film progresses, the opening sequence makes
sense. Exploring many aspects of sexuality (both hetero, ****** and
whatever), this no holds barred film also explores tenuous
relationships and the sexual bond that holds us together or pushes us
apart. This is not sex as eroticism, but as a part of the human
condition. The acting evinces a realism that was achieved by a
collaboration between the actors and the writer/ director of the film.
Shortbus is a worthwhile film experience if the viewer is open minded
and able to see it as commentary about the human condition."
A lot of crtics have claimed the movie is basically porn. A lot of people have also said it's not. The director has said
"Sex, like music, is a universal language. We want to use it to introduce character, evoke emotion, propel the plot."
Bioware introduced romance between companions back in Baldur's Gate. Since then every game as well. Now I don't remember if Baldur's Gate had a sex scene or Knights of The Old Republic, Jade Empire was in a tent and we didn't see it (I think..) but Mass Effect and Dragon Age has it.
My point is if Bioware decides to put it in the games they should try and do a good job of it. No half-ass work. Clearly they are bigger then CDProjekt and can take their time on FUTURE titles to try and give us tasteful well crafted sexual content. Because like the director of Shortbus John Cameron Mitchell says that the dictionary defines porn as "material created and
viewed for the primary purpose of sexual arousal," and argues that the
sex in Shortbus is often purposefully "de-eroticized" to "remove
the cloud of arousal to reveal emotions and ideas that might have been
obscured by it".
I don't know about anyone else but I never found these scenes pornographic or titilating like Fox but I was annoyed at how it was handled. Bioware wants us to romance their companions and try out their games to the fullest but this is something that probably doesn't add much to the gameplay but it adds to the story. Mass Effect 3 wise it might be the last Shepard would ever see his squad wouldn't anyone want to spend it with someone they cared for and you know "make love" or Dragon Age 2's the sex scene really only happened after some quest or turmoil such as Merrill or Anders wouldn't the person playing the game see it more as a touching moment instead of something added for the males?
While Bioware and CDProjekt are two different companies and from different parts of the world we saw how useless censorship can ruin a game, at least for the people who played the original Witcher. If you didn't i'll break it down for you.
Not only were sex cards censored, which didn't bother me, but so was blood. That bothered and rubbed me the wrong way. Some finishing moves were censored from the game as well because it was seen as too graphic. Eventually North Americans just started modding/hacking or adding the uncensored files into their NA version of the game because after all it's a game and a form of entertainment and sometimes Art and should be treated as such. Also CDProjekt has said they want mature sexual content that is tied to the story and not handled like it was in The Witcher 1. By making it full nudity and damning the censorship they are furthering making The WItcher 2 look amazing. Keeping the full intergrity of the European version and cutting content because we Americans are feel icky about some parts of the game.
We're in the damn 21st century for religion to still be so prevalent in our entertainment is sickening at times. Obviously you can see I blame religion for this among other things. But if certain aspects of a game are going to be lost because of ideologies then it's up to the developer to try and get as much out there as possible. Remember when movies couldn't even have people kissing? Games to me anyways can be an art form just as much as entertainment but Video Games need to progress and that falls on to the developers/studios.
TL:DR = I want an M rating to mean Mature because the whole game is mature and no aspect of a game should suffer because of censorship or not wanting to face criticism since it's the customers and fans Bioware should care about.
#61
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:37
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LyndseyCousland wrote...
Considering the game's rating, the amount of killing, cursing, and blood, and other mature themes it boggles the mind that Bioware would get all squirmy over sex scenes.
It's not Bioware - it's the ridiculous right wing BS (especially on Fox). THEY don't care about the violence and - but there was an UPROAR about the sex (especially the homosexual sex).
And of course - no one complaining even played the game...
Bioware is a company - and I imagine it's difficult to balance what they'd like to do, with the need to defend themselves against the negative publicity that will bring.
#62
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:42
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fchopin wrote...
I haven’t tried any of the links as i don’t want any spoilers for TW2 but if they do them like in ME1 i would be very happy as they were very well done.
Well the links show only two pictures to show what I am comparing ME/DA sex scenes to. Story and everything else is not mentioned. But from the pictures a lone you can see it's more mature and not afraid to show a boobs or dare I sar full nudity.
#63
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:44
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Merci357 wrote...
http://www.escapistm...05-Sex-in-Games
That's a quite interesting Extra Credits episode about sex in video games.
*thumps up*
That is a really interesting video on this topic. And I agree with a lot of things the 'filmmaker' states.
#64
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:50
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Yes, ME1 had great romance scenes, sadly they dumbed them down in future games.
#65
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:52
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Living in an age where just about every guy has googled the word 'porn' before the age of 14, it's kind of mindboggling how a Mature rated game is freaked out by something as tiny as nipples.
To be perfectly honest, I prefered the sex scenes in Neverwinter Nights 2 to the ones in DA:O.
To be perfectly honest, I prefered the sex scenes in Neverwinter Nights 2 to the ones in DA:O.
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Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:54
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fchopin wrote...
MrTijger wrote...
Well, here's one. TW2 has a framed narrative like DA2
I have not seen any narration in TW2 apart for the Triss trailer which is not part of the game
There's a preview article up on Gamespot, even though I've pre-ordered TW2 I'd like to be informed
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Posté 12 avril 2011 - 01:55
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#68
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 02:00
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Trolldrool wrote...
Living in an age where just about every guy has googled the word 'porn' before the age of 14, it's kind of mindboggling how a Mature rated game is freaked out by something as tiny as nipples.
Well we can only guess how large the nipples are...
Personally I think its less 'bowing to censorship' and more making best use of the time they have and while allowing more options to the player.
The Problem with ME1's classic scenes is that no matter who you were with the scenes were roughly the same. The only part that varied was the dialogue around them. What I liked more about ME2 and DA2 is that the scenes were individually created for the people involved with them.
Sure there could have been nudity in some of them. But just because a game is 'mature' doesn't mean there has to be nudity either. I'd rather have a scene that their character more. For example, Isabela's scene is often criticized. But Isabela is a bit of a tribute to old swashbuckler films. And her scene was as well. Stripping each other... of weapons instead of clothing is a great classic movie tease. The blackout following works as well because its best left to your imagination.
And it also gives the Devs time they can spend including more romance options.
Oddly the Tali scene in ME2 shares similar elements. Stripping of a faceplate was more intimate than humans naked...if you're a Quarian. It was equally wise leaving to your imagination what happened next because it would be near impossible to match player expectations.
I think if they were truly worried about censorship they wouldn't have included the 'Felicitate Me' segment...which I think beats any objectionable bits in Mass Effect by a few country miles.
To be perfectly honest, I prefered the sex scenes in Neverwinter Nights 2 to the ones in DA:O.
You mean the bit where they threw out romances I was actually persuing and the Creepy Stalker Druid I've spent all game trying to avoid tried to have sex with me? I have not idea how good those scenes were. I was too busy filing a restraining order.
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Posté 12 avril 2011 - 02:05
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Cutlass Jack wrote...
. For example, Isabela's scene is often criticized. But Isabela is a bit of a tribute to old swashbuckler films. And her scene was as well. Stripping each other... of weapons instead of clothing is a great classic movie tease. The blackout following works as well because its best left to your imagination.
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LOL what did people criticize about Isabela's sex scenes? She not being "submissive" enough?
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Posté 12 avril 2011 - 02:07
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Cutlass Jack wrote...
To be perfectly honest, I prefered the sex scenes in Neverwinter Nights 2 to the ones in DA:O.
You mean the bit where they threw out romances I was actually persuing and the Creepy Stalker Druid I've spent all game trying to avoid tried to have sex with me? I have not idea how good those scenes were. I was too busy filing a restraining order.
I was refering to the absolute 100% lack of nudity in Neverwinter Nights 2. The only cleavage in the game was the warlock outfit in character creation. The romances sucked compared to DA:O. The sex scenes in DA:O reminded me of a game of Twister.
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Posté 12 avril 2011 - 02:11
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Trolldrool wrote...
Oddly the Tali scene in ME2 shares similar elements. Stripping of a faceplate was more intimate than humans naked...if you're a Quarian. It was equally wise leaving to your imagination what happened next because it would be near impossible to match player expectations.
But that kidna goes with scenes being more mature and not about nudity but adding to the game and to the characters. This isn't a shooter with one dimensional characters after all. Sex at least in Bioware games isn't a mingame it comes from a realationship. Tali's scene was fine I think but Miranda, Jacob everyone else really was bad. Come on "the priiiiiiiiiizzze"?
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Posté 12 avril 2011 - 02:11
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The scenes in Origins would have worked if they had shown it above the lines of undergarments and the scenes would have flashed or passed quickly, not move in the painful and awkward way it did.
Alistair's expressions were fabulous, as were Morrigan's.
I would really like if it weren't only fade to black, some skin is always nice.
Alistair's expressions were fabulous, as were Morrigan's.
I would really like if it weren't only fade to black, some skin is always nice.
#73
Posté 12 avril 2011 - 02:15
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Seena wrote...
Cutlass Jack wrote...
. For example, Isabela's scene is often criticized. But Isabela is a bit of a tribute to old swashbuckler films. And her scene was as well. Stripping each other... of weapons instead of clothing is a great classic movie tease. The blackout following works as well because its best left to your imagination.
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LOL what did people criticize about Isabela's sex scenes? She not being "submissive" enough?
That one reminded me of Police Academy.
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Posté 12 avril 2011 - 02:16
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Seena wrote...
LOL what did people criticize about Isabela's sex scenes? She not being "submissive" enough?
Not being naked enough I guess. People keep linking a clip of it as an example of all that's bad in such scenes in DA2. Doesn't help that the Hawke in the clip looks awkwardly like Jesus in a smoking jacket.
Trolldrool wrote...
I was refering to the absolute 100% lack of nudity in Neverwinter Nights 2. The only cleavage in the game was the warlock outfit in character creation. The romances sucked compared to DA:O. The sex scenes in DA:O reminded me of a game of Twister.
I've never heard a more apt and funny description. I still love how Morrigan puts on a bra before sex.
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Posté 12 avril 2011 - 02:16
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XDDDDDThat one reminded me of Police Academy.
