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[Creston918]

KalliChan07 wrote...

mmm.. Alistair's hair.. I mean!

His hair annoyed me to no end. See, my mage elf had the same hair. And I do mean, EXACTLY the same hair. It was pathetic. Here's the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden, and they have the same hair. I felt like N-Sync.

[LeandraNyx]

Creston918 wrote...
See, my mage elf had the same hair. And I do mean, EXACTLY the same hair. It was pathetic. Here's the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden, and they have the same hair. I felt like N-Sync.

Okay, I have to say I laughed at loud at that.  rofl 

[totertot]

Creston918 wrote...

KalliChan07 wrote...

mmm.. Alistair's hair.. I mean!

His hair annoyed me to no end. See, my mage elf had the same hair. And I do mean, EXACTLY the same hair. It was pathetic. Here's the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden, and they have the same hair. I felt like N-Sync.

Hahahaha!

[Fanderay]

Sometimes I wonder if guys think that girls like the bad boys because it gives them an excuse not to be nice Also, if a guy is nice and the relationship doesn't work, it doesn't mean that the "niceness" is to blame!



Granted, I have known a few girls to go for the wrong guys, but they usually grow out of it, or aren't that happy

[mscotch]

I had him killed when I made Anora queen.









JK, but he really is targeted towards women. In RL, he would be the type of guy that has only girl friends and no guy friends.

[Kreidian]

hmm... me thinks they doth protest too much?



The point of my post actually had nothing to do with the whole "nice guys finish last" thing. I was merely pointing out that he's a fantasy. No guys are really like that, or if they are it's extremely rare.



More then likely someone like him would be a lot more shy in real life, to the point that women would never get around to talking to him because of it. That or he definitely wouldn't be a virgin. As I said he's tailor made for the female love interest and it's this combination of idealized romantic traits which just comes off as a bit too perfect.



Don't get me wrong, the character is still superbly well done, and the voice acting is excellent ( especially compared to some of Bioware's previous female love interests ) but when it comes to romance he's just a bit too obvious. Not really a complaint, however, merely an observation.

[syllogi]

Kreidian wrote...

hmm... me thinks they doth protest too much?

Are you amazed that stereotyping half of the earth's population might actually cause them to protest?  Gasp!  Maybe you aren't as familiar with this bane on the dating life of women as most of us are, you should probably read this to learn more about the frustrating and all too common phenomenon of the so-called "Nice Guy."

I would actually agree with some of what you're saying in the rest of your second post, but I believe it actually *is* possible to meet genuine, funny, cool, AND socially adept men.  I've known guys like that, and the thing about them was that they were always taken, usually by really nice, cool girls, too.  They're rare, but awesome. 

[Maria Caliban]

Mesecina wrote...

..I think this twist to the romance actually makes him a lot better character because honestly would't things just be way to sugary without it?

I liked Alistiar because he was sweet, charming, and obedient. Yeah, if there was a Sten romance and he suddenly told me 'kill Z or I leave,' then I'd be fine with it because that sort of dynamic is part of his personality.

Alistiar told me he likes to follow and I expect him to do just that. When he stops doing so, I’m fine with dropping him because he’s no longer attractive.

[Laurelinde]

I think that the mention of when you meet is quite significant. I certainly didn't expect to like Alistair as much as I did, and it's a testament to how well the character is written and acted that I (and my character!) fell for him as quickly as we did. From an RP point of view though, I think it was definitely a factor that my human noble had just come out of a total disaster and been more or less forced into being a Grey Warden, and everything seemed dark and sombre. And then Alistair shows up, and he's funny and charming and not deadly-serious all the time, and pretty quickly you're left in the same boat together, as the 'only survivors'. I fully expected to go for Zevran, but that kind of crisis bonding is hard to deny. And so by the time he showed up, she already felt so close to Alistair that Zev never had a chance. Maybe if Zev turned up in Lothering, it would have been a different story.



I do fully intend to romance Zev on a further playthrough with another character, though.

[PinkShira]

You are not alone. Unfortunately, when I voiced my opinion I was in the babbling stage having just been with him. I came off as a fool and even got called immature for wanting my happy ending. I understand that the world in which this takes place is not perfect... it tells me that over and over, but at the same time it keeps talking about how good things can happen in bad times. So naturally I assumed I could have my happy ending. I was/AM willing to shell out more money to get it. So I guess you can continue to call me a fool...a fool for love.

[Walina]

I think, we're like that because we can't get over the endings, we can't say at the end of game : it was perfect, I don't need more, I am happy / satisfied.

[Lianaar]

mynameisdanza wrote...
But I completely agree with him being a little obvious. I didn't really like him all that much (I think it was the hair) at the beginning. But after a while he grows on you, as I have seen meny guys say too. All the characters did though

He was too whiny for me at first. I am not interested in boys. But he does grown on one, doesn't he? I noticed that my facepalms started to be escorted with a little amused smile on my side. I do think what I liked in him was to see him grow up into being a man. He was just a kid getting out of the chantry being all happy and then lost and disoriented when we first met. I wanted to just step on his toes to make him stop doing whatever he does.

While he never lost his humor, he did start to grow up. He started to 'use' the boy charm instead of just having it. It started witht he promise to Loghain and it ended with the duel. The monumental part being the speech he delivered to the army before we went to fight. That was no more an insecure boy. That was a man knowing what he does. And that is appealing.

Women aren't too hard to figure out. We want to be wanted. Heck being wanted must be good for men too, no? Especially if it is something you find physically attractive. First it is just flattering, but one gets used to it and starts to miss it. It does help once's self confidence should somoene approve of him or her.

However I missed something terribly. I missed litle gestures from the romances in general. One that made me not able to fully attach myself or link myself to the feeling. Casual gestures and chit-chat. Little scenes, where the romance options instead of saying 'Fair enough' or 'As you wish' or whatever just reaches for the PC's hand with a smile and says: 'Come'. Of instead of that just gives a peck on the forehead or chin. Or traces the PC's cheek. I was surprised to see by the dalish camp that when we sat down the romance option didn't sit -by- my char...It would have been nice to have him/her stand behind my char resting the fingers on the shoulder of the PC. You know "one public display of affection" which rarely came up. Alas I am not overly suffering from the syndrom, because I missed the real connection in the romance. But he still grew into the leader type hero that will serve as an example for generations to come (and not talking about making others sew your shirts, though most men are really agile in getting women do that for them anyway), which made me not even want to try learning more of the arrogant appearing assassin who turns out to be insecure (as opposed of the idiot appearing dumb knight who turns out to be smart and strong handed).

[Willow2010]

Well I'm happy to see that I'm not alone... I'm married too to a great guy but I cannot play and try to flirt Zevran... Arggg.... But that could be cool if instead to read the story after the game for each of personna that could be able to see the wedding?? Small movie of it that could be cool...

[Vadavim]

Add me to the crowd that loves Alistair! At first I thought it was going to be a stick-in-the-mud, but oh... I just couldn't resist! I made a second (female) character just for the hell of it. Now it's hard to decide if I like Alistair or Morrigan better.

[Punahedan]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Nice guys do well in love.

Nice guys who are really insensitive jerks pretending to be nice because they think women are then obliged to sleep with them don't do so well, and then come on the interwebs to complain.

Ain't that the truth.

I strangely never saw Alistair as a "Nice Guy". I mean, clearly he's the good boy to contrast Zev's bad boy, but the Nice Guy stereotype - shy, nice, insecure - isn't what I saw in him. Yes, he is idealized in some respects, but his base qualities are good, funny, snarky, shy, and respectful. There is a difference between good and nice. Often, good guys tend to be nice. Not all nice guys are good. He's funny, which is self-explanitory, and shy, but hides his shyness with snark. But he's also respectful - of the ladies and of himself. Sometimes he doubts himself, but everyone doubts themselves after they lose someone close to them. He was a good blend of all the fantastic qualities.

I'm happy to say that I do know someone like him, though I don't think he's a romanceable for short, female, human dorks. Life can be restrictive like that.

Oh, and honesty. I forgot to mention that one. He's very...frank.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 19 novembre 2009 - 11:10 .

[flippingthemako]

PinkShira wrote...

You are not alone. Unfortunately, when I voiced my opinion I was in the babbling stage having just been with him. I came off as a fool and even got called immature for wanting my happy ending. I understand that the world in which this takes place is not perfect... it tells me that over and over, but at the same time it keeps talking about how good things can happen in bad times. So naturally I assumed I could have my happy ending. I was/AM willing to shell out more money to get it. So I guess you can continue to call me a fool...a fool for love.

I am so with you on this.  I will continue buying the DLC if it means spending more time with my Alistair.  But I will not forgive BW if they don't continue on with my PC and her relationships in further DA releases.  I am way too attached to this story.

[PinkShira]

Creston918 wrote...

KalliChan07 wrote...

mmm.. Alistair's hair.. I mean!

His hair annoyed me to no end. See, my mage elf had the same hair. And I do mean, EXACTLY the same hair. It was pathetic. Here's the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden, and they have the same hair. I felt like N-Sync.

Have you ever gotten one of the background banters where Alistair say "I like my hair!"

[Eonassassin]

I feel the same way about Morrigan lol..... I finished the game last night and I cant get over what she did at the end... (I opted to sacrifice myself and not give her the old god.) The game does a great job developing Morrigan and Alistair and because of "Morrigan's offer" I feel completely betrayed since I did all Morrigan wanted me to do,



got the grimoire from the circle of magi, killed flemmeth without question (since I already thought she was evil from the start) got her the real grimoire. And she seemed very touched by everything I did for her, but it was all for nothing it seems.



I couldn't trust her at the end because she couldn't trust my PC, oh well next playthrough I'll try to end the game with her being in love with me anyone know if this changes anything? If she reveals any more info

[Never]

David Gaider did an amaaaaaaaazing job on the characters. Especially Alistair and Morrigan!

[Caerin]

Eonassassin wrote...
I couldn't trust her at the end because she couldn't trust my PC, oh well next playthrough I'll try to end the game with her being in love with me anyone know if this changes anything? If she reveals any more info

She's a bit more regretful abut having to leave, and calls you "my love," but that's about it.

[Walina]

Eonassassin wrote...

I feel the same way about Morrigan lol..... I finished the game last night and I cant get over what she did at the end... (I opted to sacrifice myself and not give her the old god.) The game does a great job developing Morrigan and Alistair and because of "Morrigan's offer" I feel completely betrayed since I did all Morrigan wanted me to do,

got the grimoire from the circle of magi, killed flemmeth without question (since I already thought she was evil from the start) got her the real grimoire. And she seemed very touched by everything I did for her, but it was all for nothing it seems.

I couldn't trust her at the end because she couldn't trust my PC, oh well next playthrough I'll try to end the game with her being in love with me anyone know if this changes anything? If she reveals any more info

I felt the same and was happy after doing her personal quest but I was dispointed at the end, just like you.
Unfortunaly for you, as far as I know, it dosn't change your ending if you romance her.

[Leonia]

Well, it is good to know that I am in good company. I certainly can't get Alistair off my mind, sure I loved Zevran to pieces as well (the accent, omg the accent and the leather fetish!) but it just wasn't quite the same. I loved the character development in the game, how they grew up over time just as people do in real life. As Lianaar says in an earlier post, Alistair really evolves over time and that's what makes him so likeable.

Before buying the game, I had heard a lot of my online friends commenting on the dialogue of Morrigan and Alistair and I assumed the romance in the game would be between them, not one of them and my PC. I had no idea what to expect, having played KOTOR and KOTOR 2 I of course knew how well Bioware can do an RPG but I was simply not prepared for the amazing voice acting and dialogue choices. I honestly expected Alistair to be another blond haired whinging-type like Anakin or Luke Skywalker or certain Final Fantasy characters, but alas he was more than that. I grew attached to all my characters but mostly enjoyed the company of that certain Grey Warden.

I nearly always tear up when Alistair reflects on the death of Duncan, I mean, he just looks so SAD and sometimes I think he loves Duncan more than the PC. In the end, I couldn't bear sacrificing myself or allowing Alistair to sacrifice himself because one of us was going to be terribly unhappy and considering the massive adventure we had just had together it wasn't fair to either of us. So I sucked it up, took Morrigan's offer for purely selfish reasons. I felt guilty about it for a few days afterward. Mostly because the first time I went through the dialogue, my character and Alistair had never kissed or done anything romantic other than flirting and letting Morrigan have him for the first time was just.. ugh, really tore at me . So glad I remembered to keep multiple save files (learned this the hard way from KOTOR).

Any who, I've joined the Facebook group for Alistair fans and hope some of you girls (and guys) are there too. What an amazing man, so similar to my real life husband in many ways. Can't stop thinking about him, probably going to write some fanfiction to try and get it out of my system before my husband starts to get jealous.

PS: Please let us play with our PC and Alistair in the sequel or upcoming DLC! I can't let go of him so soon.

Modifié par leonia42, 20 novembre 2009 - 02:18 .

[Lianaar]

I was displeased by the ending though I got a good one. Because it said: He never left his love's side but for a short time when he went to make a furneral for Duncan.

I would much have preferred if he does go off at times on his own, but something that is so important should have been done together instead of alone. I only felt that didn't exactly fit.

[Mesecina]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mesecina wrote...

..I think this twist to the romance actually makes him a lot better character because honestly would't things just be way to sugary without it?

I liked Alistiar because he was sweet, charming, and obedient. Yeah, if there was a Sten romance and he suddenly told me 'kill Z or I leave,' then I'd be fine with it because that sort of dynamic is part of his personality.

Alistiar told me he likes to follow and I expect him to do just that. When he stops doing so, I’m fine with dropping him because he’s no longer attractive.

Hmmm don't know to me it seemed perfectly in character, taking into account Duncan and Arl Eamon were  both fatherly figures to Alistair and Loghain abandoned the first one and almost managed to murder the later. It is apparent from many dialogues and Fade encounter that Alistair desires a family above all else and it was Loghain who tried (or in one case suceeded at) taking away everyone dear to him.

Also if you remeber the whole dialogue about Arl Eamon you'd notice Alistair was always prone to emotional "solutions" to problems (after all he did shatter that amulet and denied to see Arl Eamon again after having been taken to Chantry).

And anyway who actually likes their men too obedient IRL? I know I don't but heck I do prefer Zevran