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[Justforvisit]

Hey, I read on some threads that it's considered that Anora would be a good queen because she ruled from the shadows as the true power behind Cailan
 
Well, for me, I really hated her like hell and never trusted her after a special scene, which I think is the reason she NEVER would be a good queen:

And this certain scene is when you're going to rescue her at Arl Howe's Mansion. You're going through all this trouble rescuing her and when you've freed her and your party is stopped by Ser Cauthrien, you say you just rescued her and she say's something like: "What a luck you have arrived, these people tried to kidnap me"

In that moment I was like "o_O" and choose that dialogue line with the nasty insult -.-

I managed to fight my way past Cauthrien, hardest non-final-boss battle ever so far I had in any video game to manage, but I did it, and that felt sooo goood ^^

But the point is, when you're returning to Arl Eamon and she's there, she tells you she did it because she couldn't admit that you're rescuing her in front of her fathers highest ranking employes.

Hey girl, if you want to be queen anyways AND you want to spare your father from beeing killed, isn't it a bit hypocritical when you regard these two facts against each other?

Also, if you're EVER want to be a good queen, you should learn that you NEVER EVER, in metaphoric ways, backstab the guy who RESCUES your life.

So, about lies, beeing a traitor and wanting to have power, she's even worse than her father, she even betrays you right in the face instead of sneaking hidingly away from your back. And also she only wants the best for HERSELF, not for Ferelden ("oh please spare my father if possible, but I still want to be queen")

I so hoped I'd get the possibility to slaughter her right away too after I did so with her father, that would have been satisfiyng to no end

I wonder if those who liked her never had that scene at the Arl of Denerim's Mansion, but if, well, in my opinion it screams "Treacherous B..ch* so loud that I'm going deaf from it.

[Saberchic]

I also hate Anora. She's untrustworthy to the max. I was upset that I never had the option to kill her. If she lives, you just know that she's never going to quit going after the throne. I don't see why Alistair wouldn't let you off her after winning the battle, but he seems to have this soft spot when it comes to women. He gets upset with you if you kill Isolde even though everything in Redlciffe is her fault. Anora staight up betrays you in either the rescue or in the Landsmeet if you don't cede to her wishes. She'll do and say anything to get to her goals. And he still lets her live. *sigh*
I don't trust her. She makes questionable choices. She was only queen in my playthroughs twice, and once was by accident. (I didn't know a certain someone would take away my choice of sacrificing myself). The other time, I wanted Alistair and my warden to go off together and be wardens.

[Giggles_Manically]

Anora: Hey ... dont say that I am the Queen or they may take me back to my father... which would be bad.

10 seconds later!
Warden: HEY! Its the Queen!
Anora: -facepalm-

Anywho she is a good queen because she is a good politician and a good leader.
Dont like it?

Write a long fanfic about Princess Mary Sue Cous Cous and Alistair are the perfect leaders for evur and ever.

[jesot]

Agreed. She's worse than Loghain, imo. She's a ****.

[Saberchic]

It doesn't make sense that she turns on you. If she thinks that Ser Cauthrien knows and backs Loghain's plans, then Anora is screwed anyway. There's no need for her to turn on you.

And her treatment of the elves if left queen really shows me that she's not a good leader. She's only looking out for herself.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Anora: Hey ... dont say that I am the Queen or they may take me back to my father... which would be bad.

10 seconds later!
Warden: HEY! Its the Queen!
Anora: -facepalm-

Anywho she is a good queen because she is a good politician and a good leader.
Dont like it?

Write a long fanfic about Princess Mary Sue Cous Cous and Alistair are the perfect leaders for evur and ever.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Giggles_Manically]

Saberchic wrote...

It doesn't make sense that she turns on you. If she thinks that Ser Cauthrien knows and backs Loghain's plans, then Anora is screwed anyway. There's no need for her to turn on you.

And her treatment of the elves if left queen really shows me that she's not a good leader. She's only looking out for herself.

You mean the POOR people who RIOT over food.

Like what happens probably ever decade?
The elves choose to riot in the streets, and Anora has the leader of the nation cracked down on an illegal riot.
Yes totally an evil selfish thing to do.

I mean its not like she is reforming the country, or rebuilding it, or building a univerestiy..... ohwait. 

[Saberchic]

Yes, lets continue to treat the POOR like dirt. They don't count after all. And what other recourse do they have if they are being left to die?

I just think she should look out for ALL her citizens, and the elves are definitely part of the population.

[Giggles_Manically]

We only know that the elves in Denerim rioted.

Which seems to be almost a national sport for them.
There will ALWAYS be poor people in society.

That wont change no matter how hard you try.

[Saberchic]

I know we can't ever get rid of the poor, but I don't think that the elves riot just because they don't like something. It's only occurred when a serious offense has happened; their safety was threatened. I just don't see why they should lie down (and die of starvation) and accept whatever Anora decides if it compromises their safety and well-being. When she neglects her people, that shows me that she isn't the one for the job.

[danerman]

Anora cares very little about the Elves. You can tell this not only by the epilogue but by her reaction at the landsmeet. Unless Anora gets conformation from the Warden that she'll remain queen before the Landsmeet, she betrays the warden at the Landmeet and sides with her father. This is after the Warden proved that the Elves in the Alienage were being sold to the Travinters. This act shows that Anora is willing to side with her father to remain queen even knowing how despicably he treated the elves. To Anora, power is everything. She is practical and a good politician but in the end Alistair is a much better ruler.

Modifié par danerman, 12 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[Addai]

She's a good queen, just not a very good person.

She also makes her share of mistakes as ruler, but all leaders do.

[Maria13]

I think the reply depends on what you want as a monarch.

Do you want someone who is astute, intelligent and calculating? Anora is your gal...

Do you want someone who practices loyalty and ethics... Then she aint.

You take's your pick.

Personally I make the decision on the basis of considering said monarch my immediate boss.  Being on the rebound from someone treacherous, over-demanding and disloyal and short-sighted given to bigotry,  I do not think Anora a good choice.  But that's just me.

Modifié par Maria13, 12 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[Xilizhra]

Hardened Alistair rules better alone than Anora, but they work even better together.

[Ferretinabun]

Justforvisit wrote...


I managed to fight my way past Cauthrien, hardest non-final-boss battle ever so far I had in any video game to manage, but I did it, and that felt sooo goood ^^

Just to check, you do know you're actually supposed to lose that fight, right? I mean it's POSSIBLE beat it, but it's pretty much geared up to being too tough, and then you get a great little side mission/jail break...

[Skwervin]

I love saying to her that I will support her in the landsmeet and picking Alister EVERYTIME!

She is such a **** I would not turn my back on her for a second. She knew what was going on and kept her mouth shut to save her own neck - what stopped her from talking to the other lords prior to her kidnapping? And doesn't give you a hint of softness between her ears when she goes "ALONE" to visit her fathers henchman?

If she ever did marry Alister, I would expect to find him dead within three months.

ANother thing - he has to marry to make heirs right? Eamon had been suggesting to Cailan to dump her since she was nearly 30a nd still hadn't fallen pregnant yet - so why hitch your wagon to a dead horse?

[Skwervin]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Justforvisit wrote...


I managed to fight my way past Cauthrien, hardest non-final-boss battle ever so far I had in any video game to manage, but I did it, and that felt sooo goood ^^

Just to check, you do know you're actually supposed to lose that fight, right? I mean it's POSSIBLE beat it, but it's pretty much geared up to being too tough, and then you get a great little side mission/jail break...

Funniest thing I ever did with that mission - sent in Zevran and the dog - the dog pisses on the guards foot and gets you in  he door...lol

Just get Zev to do the first bluff and the dog the second...

[tmp7704]

Maria13 wrote...

Do you want someone who practices loyalty and ethics... Then she aint.

She can be quite loyal -- as long as you keep your end of the bargain and don't announce beforehand you're no matter what going to behead a person she's very attached to, she keeps hers.

[Addai]

tmp7704 wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

Do you want someone who practices loyalty and ethics... Then she aint.

She can be quite loyal -- as long as you keep your end of the bargain and don't announce beforehand you're no matter what going to behead a person she's very attached to, she keeps hers.

Weeelll... she's not especially loyal to her father, unless it suits her to be.

[Costin_Razvan]

Good honest people are ALWAYS ****** poor politicians. ( And no Hardened Alistair is still not better then her, and besides while I might be inclined to like normal Alistair hardened can be just as big an ass as anyone )

Liars, manipulators, greedy bastards, Machiavellians can either be good or bad, but at least they can go in two ways.

[Wulfram]

Successful politicians need to be honest enough that their word is meaningful and that people expect their loyalty to rewarded and reciprocated.

Of course, for all Anora's treachery she is pretty easily taken in by an ambitious Female Cousland Warden. Just like she swiftly becomes a powerless puppet for Loghain and Howe.

[Costin_Razvan]

Not necesarly true, honesty in regards to those you can see following you and being loyal then yes.

But to everyone else, honesty is the LAST thing you want to show.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 13 avril 2011 - 12:04 .

[Poubo]

interesting reading responses, i wonder how many people posting live under the rule of a monarch?

I would regard Anora on her own as a Tyrant, mainly because the poor are her citizens too, and should not treat them different to any other Fereldan, something Loghain should've learned from Maric.

As Queen you are there to serve your people, not the other way around regardless of race.

Which is why Alistair is a better choice to rule, however since the option for both is there, it's obvious that they would work well together...for a time at least.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Wulfram wrote...

Successful politicians need to be honest enough that their word is meaningful and that people expect their loyalty to rewarded and reciprocated.

Succesful politician need the appearance of honesty, nothing more.

[Xilizhra]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Good honest people are ALWAYS ****** poor politicians. ( And no Hardened Alistair is still not better then her, and besides while I might be inclined to like normal Alistair hardened can be just as big an ass as anyone )

Liars, manipulators, greedy bastards, Machiavellians can either be good or bad, but at least they can go in two ways.

Well, he doesn't screw over  the elves, and the kingdom otherwise seems to be no worse off than under Anora.