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[Cutlass Jack]

Slidell505 wrote...

Her not being a bloodmage doesn't make her a good mage. Well, morally good maybe, though the morality of bloodmagic is debatable.

Her being able to stand up to real danger without resorting to Blood Magic does indeed make her a skilled mage by nearly any definition. Morality aside, Blood Magic is a crutch used by those not strong enough to handle things on their own ability.

[HAM Hawke]

Slidell505 wrote...

HAM Hawke wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

HAM Hawke wrote...

Yes but the fact that she is a Warden frees her from the reach of the Templars and enables her to become a stronger force in her own right. In my mind, her ability to become a stronger Mage through the ranks of the Wardens would benefit her more than playing hop scotch with some kids in the circle...

She's plauged by nightmares (she's one of the ones that has trouble their whole life), can't have children, fights often, and in general has a harder time coming to terms with being a Warden than Carver. In the circle, she becomes a full mage early and begans teaching and seems to enjoy it. She only has problems with one templar and you kill that one during a quest with Anders. She's better off in the circle. Carver on the other hand, much better for him to become a warden.

I'm sorry, I just don't see Bethany as Circle Mage tutor or a mother....She is too powerful to be locked away in the Gallows.  Her plight would be better served with the Wardens...In DA 3 she could be ally that could turn the tide in the Mage-Templar battle...One way or another...

Bethany is an average mage. I don't see her as particuarly powerful. Hawke's a badass though, but that's just because he's FIST OF THE MAKERIN' PULL OF THE ABYSSIN' HORRORIN' AND CHAIN LIGHTNININ'. It's a word, it's in the Becktionary. Also, I see her as being more directly involved as a mage in the circle. As a warden she shouldn't be involved at all. She's breaking a big rule by getting involved at the end.

Well in my playthrough she is powerful...Her mana is so high by the deep roads exped. that I used her for the sustained abilities to make the party stronger and she has that little healing ability...Throw in the Elemental mastery and she can CC her way through the toughest waves.  Sure she is not strong if you try to keep her safe in the Circle....I'd rather have my sibling fight at my side than rot away doing marginal tasks such as teaching childern to make ice cubes out of thin air for some Templars sweet iced tea...

[caradoc2000]

Sturm.B wrote...

Damn! I did not know she couldn't become a grey warden if Andres wasn't with you. Luckly I choose him to come with me

If Anders isn't there, you'll get to use the murder knife on her.

[Alamar2078]

I've had one playthrough in the Circle and one where she died. I think that the "death" had more weight and impact [emotionally]. The next run through I'll do the Warden thing.

[HAM Hawke]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Sturm.B wrote...

Damn! I did not know she couldn't become a grey warden if Andres wasn't with you. Luckly I choose him to come with me

If Anders isn't there, you'll get to use the murder knife on her.

Those "Murder Knifes" are abundant during the Dragon Age huh?  Everybody has one...Just like a cell phone! 

[Cutlass Jack]

HAM Hawke wrote...
Those "Murder Knifes" are abundant during the Dragon Age huh?  Everybody has one...Just like a cell phone! 

The 'Murder Sporks' weren't nearly as popular.

[Chuvvy]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

HAM Hawke wrote...
Those "Murder Knifes" are abundant during the Dragon Age huh?  Everybody has one...Just like a cell phone! 

The 'Murder Sporks' weren't nearly as popular.

But they were so functional.

[Chuvvy]

HAM Hawke wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

HAM Hawke wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

HAM Hawke wrote...

Yes but the fact that she is a Warden frees her from the reach of the Templars and enables her to become a stronger force in her own right. In my mind, her ability to become a stronger Mage through the ranks of the Wardens would benefit her more than playing hop scotch with some kids in the circle...

She's plauged by nightmares (she's one of the ones that has trouble their whole life), can't have children, fights often, and in general has a harder time coming to terms with being a Warden than Carver. In the circle, she becomes a full mage early and begans teaching and seems to enjoy it. She only has problems with one templar and you kill that one during a quest with Anders. She's better off in the circle. Carver on the other hand, much better for him to become a warden.

I'm sorry, I just don't see Bethany as Circle Mage tutor or a mother....She is too powerful to be locked away in the Gallows.  Her plight would be better served with the Wardens...In DA 3 she could be ally that could turn the tide in the Mage-Templar battle...One way or another...

Bethany is an average mage. I don't see her as particuarly powerful. Hawke's a badass though, but that's just because he's FIST OF THE MAKERIN' PULL OF THE ABYSSIN' HORRORIN' AND CHAIN LIGHTNININ'. It's a word, it's in the Becktionary. Also, I see her as being more directly involved as a mage in the circle. As a warden she shouldn't be involved at all. She's breaking a big rule by getting involved at the end.

Well in my playthrough she is powerful...Her mana is so high by the deep roads exped. that I used her for the sustained abilities to make the party stronger and she has that little healing ability...Throw in the Elemental mastery and she can CC her way through the toughest waves.  Sure she is not strong if you try to keep her safe in the Circle....I'd rather have my sibling fight at my side than rot away doing marginal tasks such as teaching childern to make ice cubes out of thin air for some Templars sweet iced tea...

Look, she can be a powerful misserable mage in the greywardens, or she can be a happy weak one in the circle.  In the end the choice is hers, well technically it's yours.

[TheAwesomologist]

Alamar2078 wrote...

I've had one playthrough in the Circle and one where she died. I think that the "death" had more weight and impact [emotionally]. The next run through I'll do the Warden thing.

But then you're stuck with Anders as your only healer at the end.
Anders never makes it to the end in my games...

[ReallyRue]

I like to make her a Warden because I like her Warden robes much more than her Circle robes.
I'm actually that shallow.

[TobiTobsen]

And I aks myself what should Bethany do with the Wardens? Between Blights the wardens are just hanging around, looking grim, laughing at people who ask them for help and poisoning themselves to get an ability the world needs all 200 years. That's the reason why the wardens are always enormously low on recruits between blights. Nobody cares about them, if there is no blight.
They aren't the "we make the world a better place!" people our warden and Alistair could be. Alistair even said that the First Warden was pissed at the Warden and him for interfering so much. It's not their job.
Stroud and his gang in the game are exactly like grey wardens should be. Neutral and grim. All the time. Your city is getting sacked by qunari? Not their problem.
I don't see what purpose Bethany could have with them. She is clearly interested in the circles. So why make her life miserable and make her a warden.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 12 avril 2011 - 07:40 .

[Gravbh]

I make her a warden.  Sending her to the circle basically removes the option of siding with the templars(not that I usually do anyway). I mean really, how are you going to side with the group wanting to invoke the right of annulement on the circle when your sister is in said circle?

I can at least see a rationalization for that choice if your sister is a warden and not under their jurisdiction.

Also her being taken to the circle really angered me. You come home from the deep roads and one lousy templar is standing in your way. I had already killed an entire group of templars at that point outside the cave with Thrask. But I don't have the option of stepping in and killing a measly one who is in my house taking my sister? That lack of choice pissed me off so much I reloaded and did the entire deep roads again to make her a warden so I wouldn't have to see that crap.

[Shadowrun1177]

I find it amazing that people will assume Bethany would be safer from the whole mage vs templar thing as a Warden. When the Wardens have already proven they aren't completely neutral by allowing a templar to join to watch Anders, and Bethany gets kidnapped from the Wardens during Act 3. I really don't think Bethany as a Warden would be safer from the mage vs templar thing for two reason well four if you count the ones I listed above. One the mage vs templar thing is a world shaking event which I think the Wardens who are known to harbor apostates and maleficar might get targeted by zealots on both sides. Two she is Hawke's sister which I would think would put a target on her as possible leverage like was tried in Act 3's Best Served Cold. The Chantry Seekers are looking, it could also be mages or templars who are looking depending on who you sided with and for what reasons and what better way then to get someone who Hawke cares about like Bethany to get Hawke to come out of hiding if he/she is in hiding since Hawke goes missing after Act 3.

I'd also add in the fact story wise it makes more sense for her to be in the Circle in Act 3 cause it give's Meredith leverage over Hawke to hunt down the runaways. I know she threatens to throw mage Hawke into the gallows and makes a veiled threat of Circle Bethany if Hawke tries to refuse to hunt them for her in the On the Loose quest but I don't know what she does if Bethany is Warden.

[TobiTobsen]

What I also would like to know: What events force Hawke and Bethany to part in the end. Only the LI stays. If I would be Hawke I would make sure that I stay with her. She is the last familiy member and Thedas isn't really the safest place.

[ReallyRue]

TobiTobsen wrote...

What I also would like to know: What events force Hawke and Bethany to part in the end. Only the LI stays. If I would be Hawke I would make sure that I stay with her. She is the last familiy member and Thedas isn't really the safest place.

I was wondering that too. It might make a little more sense if Bethany/Carver is a Grey Warden, because they might return to that. And if Carver becomes a Templar, mageHawke is more likely to stand against him, so he might remain in Kirkwall. But if Bethany joins the Circle and lives, you'd think she'd jump at the chance for a friend/ally/family member, when all mages are about to be targeted all over Thedas.

[The Angry One]

ReallyRue wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

What I also would like to know: What events force Hawke and Bethany to part in the end. Only the LI stays. If I would be Hawke I would make sure that I stay with her. She is the last familiy member and Thedas isn't really the safest place.

I was wondering that too. It might make a little more sense if Bethany/Carver is a Grey Warden, because they might return to that. And if Carver becomes a Templar, mageHawke is more likely to stand against him, so he might remain in Kirkwall. But if Bethany joins the Circle and lives, you'd think she'd jump at the chance for a friend/ally/family member, when all mages are about to be targeted all over Thedas.

Varric is lying.

[ReallyRue]

The Angry One wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

What I also would like to know: What events force Hawke and Bethany to part in the end. Only the LI stays. If I would be Hawke I would make sure that I stay with her. She is the last familiy member and Thedas isn't really the safest place.

I was wondering that too. It might make a little more sense if Bethany/Carver is a Grey Warden, because they might return to that. And if Carver becomes a Templar, mageHawke is more likely to stand against him, so he might remain in Kirkwall. But if Bethany joins the Circle and lives, you'd think she'd jump at the chance for a friend/ally/family member, when all mages are about to be targeted all over Thedas.

Varric is lying.

Well, isn't that just typical of him.

[Iosev]

Honestly, from Bethany's dialogue during the first act, you learn that Bethany just wants to have a normal life; her becoming a Grey Warden pretty much ensures that she never will. Not only is she still a mage (and thus has to constantly stay vigilant against malevolent spirits), but now she has the taint as well, and all of its lovely "benefits".

With the destruction of the Kirkwall Circle, a Bethany sent to the circle has a chance to be free again (well, as free as an apostate can be, anyway), while a Grey Warden Bethany is probably still bound to duty after the events of DA 2.

Modifié par arcelonious, 12 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[Torax]

I like having bethany being a Grey Warden so that I get a healer faster after I knife that broody **** of a grey warden deserter.

[Toastedsnow]

Torax wrote...

I like having bethany being a Grey Warden so that I get a healer faster after I knife that broody **** of a grey warden deserter.

You don't want to be doing that mate. His dying face is quite possibly the creepiest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost as bad as the Kinectimals box art. Google it, you'll see.

[Random Thoughts]

Slidell505 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Sidac wrote...

Stroud: Anyone up for a mustache ride?

Funny I was about to type the same thing.

But Nathaniel is the more likely 'hook up' option for Bethany. After all she was with him during his segment, and he looked rather awkward and embarassed when he found out you were her sibling.

My money's on my warden. Though, he may be to busy with killing High Dragons, Spectral Dragons, Bloodmages, Varterrals, Flesh Golems, Pride, Desire, Sloth, Hunger and Rage Demons, Abominations, Genlocks, Hurlocks, Shrieks, Ogres, Broodmothers, Werewolves, Carta, Architects, Ghouls, War Heros, Arls that go crazy for power, insane cultists and Arch Demons, Also he'd probably be too busy, ending Blights, ending curses, saving circles, meddling in dwarven politics, avenging the death of most of his family, amassing armies, putting friends on the throne, meddling in human politics, foiling assassination attempts, saving the damsel, patching the fade, making trade routes safe, clearing out sections of the deep roads saving cities, saving marriages, finding cats and getting drunk with a red haired dwarf with an oversized axe, to be bothered with trivial things like sex and relationships.

Must resist... the urge to... laugh...

[TobiTobsen]

Toastedsnow wrote...

Torax wrote...

I like having bethany being a Grey Warden so that I get a healer faster after I knife that broody **** of a grey warden deserter.

You don't want to be doing that mate. His dying face is quite possibly the creepiest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost as bad as the Kinectimals box art. Google it, you'll see.

But his death shows us how awesome the murder knife is! One stab in the back = instant death.

[Torax]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Toastedsnow wrote...

Torax wrote...

I like having bethany being a Grey Warden so that I get a healer faster after I knife that broody **** of a grey warden deserter.

You don't want to be doing that mate. His dying face is quite possibly the creepiest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost as bad as the Kinectimals box art. Google it, you'll see.

But his death shows us how awesome the murder knife is! One stab in the back = instant death.

Hawke is still leveling up Murder Knife. Zevran is the master though. Murder Knife to the Eye Socket!

[Toastedsnow]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Toastedsnow wrote...

Torax wrote...

I like having bethany being a Grey Warden so that I get a healer faster after I knife that broody **** of a grey warden deserter.

You don't want to be doing that mate. His dying face is quite possibly the creepiest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost as bad as the Kinectimals box art. Google it, you'll see.

But his death shows us how awesome the murder knife is! One stab in the back = instant death.

Knives are for pansies. Real men kill people through the scope of a sniper rifle several hundred meters away! Or melt their faces with a fireball. *puts on a muscle suit and commences flexing*