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[Torax]

Toastedsnow wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Toastedsnow wrote...

Torax wrote...

I like having bethany being a Grey Warden so that I get a healer faster after I knife that broody **** of a grey warden deserter.

You don't want to be doing that mate. His dying face is quite possibly the creepiest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost as bad as the Kinectimals box art. Google it, you'll see.

But his death shows us how awesome the murder knife is! One stab in the back = instant death.

Knives are for pansies. Real men kill people through the scope of a sniper rifle several hundred meters away! Or melt their faces with a fireball. *puts on a muscle suit and commences flexing*

I raise you a Bianca Murder Bolt!

Modifié par Torax, 12 avril 2011 - 09:18 .

[Toastedsnow]

Torax wrote...

Toastedsnow wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Toastedsnow wrote...

Torax wrote...

I like having bethany being a Grey Warden so that I get a healer faster after I knife that broody **** of a grey warden deserter.

You don't want to be doing that mate. His dying face is quite possibly the creepiest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost as bad as the Kinectimals box art. Google it, you'll see.

But his death shows us how awesome the murder knife is! One stab in the back = instant death.

Knives are for pansies. Real men kill people through the scope of a sniper rifle several hundred meters away! Or melt their faces with a fireball. *puts on a muscle suit and commences flexing*

I raise you a Bianca Murder Bolt!

I'll call your pathetic bluff and raise you a Nameless Graces. Have you ever used that on one of those minor trash bandits? It was so deliciously tragic. And cathartic.

[HAM Hawke]

arcelonious wrote...

Honestly, from Bethany's dialogue during the first act, you learn that Bethany just wants to have a normal life; her becoming a Grey Warden pretty much ensures that she never will. Not only is she still a mage (and thus has to constantly stay vigilant against malevolent spirits), but now she has the taint as well, and all of its lovely "benefits".

With the destruction of the Kirkwall Circle, a Bethany sent to the circle has a chance to be free again (well, as free as an apostate can be, anyway), while a Grey Warden Bethany is probably still bound to duty after the events of DA 2.

I don't know all the duties of a Grey Warden outside of the duties that my own warden endured in DAO and DAA.  I do know it has to be better than running or being thrown in a dungenon and locked away and abused by naughty Templars....I just don't see taking that chance when you can join the Wardens.  I know it's not a glamour job, it has it's faults (being a Warden) but in real life I would equate it to being in the Marines....First line of defense in the War against Arch Demons....Although, the Wardens are not well liked through out the DA universe, at least they are respected by most.


(In no way am I demeaning the service men and women of the US armed forces with my use of my Marine analogy)

[Tainan7509]

I let her died in my first play through
Second play through, she became Warden
Third play through, she is in circle.
Conclusion, none of them are good options.
(so try all three of them and you might get an idea about it.)

[Shadowrun1177]

HAM Hawke wrote...

I don't know all the duties of a Grey Warden outside of the duties that my own warden endured in DAO and DAA.  I do know it has to be better than running or being thrown in a dungenon and locked away and abused by naughty Templars....I just don't see taking that chance when you can join the Wardens.  I know it's not a glamour job, it has it's faults (being a Warden) but in real life I would equate it to being in the Marines....First line of defense in the War against Arch Demons....Although, the Wardens are not well liked through out the DA universe, at least they are respected by most.

Except the Warden's allowed a templar to join them to keep an eye on Anders, add in the fact that Bethany is kidnapped in Act 3 to be used as leverage against Hawke. Whats too keep Mages, Templars, or even Chantry seekers from targeting Warden Bethany again to get to a missing Hawke if she returns to her duties as a warden. What you see during DA:O and DA:A aren't reflective of the wardens in general, that was abnormal and Alistair even points out that the wardens weren't happy with what your warden and Alistair did by getting involved in politics after the events of Ostagar.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 12 avril 2011 - 11:04 .

[Rockpopple]

I think Bethany ends up finding her purpose whether she's a Circle Mage or a GW. And she doesn't stay bitter and angry at you as a GW forever. And the taint will wear on her sure, but it's not a given that she can't ever have children, and if she was not a GW she could still die prematurely from... I dunno... scurvy or something. So it's a wash.

[Alex Kershaw]

Metagaming is metagaming. Going into the Deep Roads, you 'don't know' that anything is going to happen, so your argument should be whether or not it's best to leave her or take her.

[Sabariel]

When I sent Bethany to the Circle she told me she didn't realize how free she had been when she was dodging Templars until she came to the Circle. It seems that you can't win either way with her.

[Lucian820]

My next playthrough I think will be with femhawke, pro-templar just to f with Bethany, and then kill her at the end. I'm thinking super evil b of a sister.

[Avilia]

You get slightly more time with Nate if you make Bethany a Warden...what? That's a good reason to do it.

Seriously, without meta-gaming, my Hawke left Bethany behind to stop Mama Hawke's whining and blaming her for everything that goes wrong in the family. That woman is a pita.

Only problem is I'm doing a hard-case, Templar siding, mage hating, cow. So, this may be a problem in Act 3.

[PantheraOnca]

barryl89 wrote...


Bethany has to have Stroud over her!

... Above her. In rank.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Torax wrote...

I raise you a Bianca Murder Bolt!

"What? You were going to do that anyways, right?"

Even if you side with the Templars, you can still save Bethany (I've been given to understand, my Circle Bethany games aren't to Final Straw/Act 3 yet) when you get to the Gallows. Not that I know for sure, four games and I side with the mages each time. Really should try a Templar run. :/

[Merced652]

nerdage wrote...

Considering she's only in the circle a few years before everything explodes and the templars and mages both rebel, I'm not sure keeping her safe from the templars is such an issue if you're going to metagame like this. The only reason she ended up a warden for me is that I didn't know what would happen taking her into the deep roads, but I figured it was safer than a city full of militant templars. Damn Varric for spoiling it at the start of the level! I damn nearly reloaded after he said that in the cutscene with Cassandra.

Yea when this happened to me i literally ripped off my headset closed my eyes and spammed the esc key. 

[p95h]

Making Bethany a warden is sentencing her to death from the taint in 30 years, and a glorious battle in the deep roads. Having Bethany go to the circle is a much more humane and family oriented decision.

[TobiTobsen]

p95h wrote...

Making Bethany a warden is sentencing her to death from the taint in 30 years, and a glorious battle in the deep roads. Having Bethany go to the circle is a much more humane and family oriented decision.

Always wondered if sending female wardens for the calling into the deep roads isn't counterproductive. I mean... if I would be a dark spawn. I would make sure to capture them. Why kill them if you can still use them?
Or are they immune against becoming Broodmothers?

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 13 avril 2011 - 06:05 .

[Kingthlayer]

I was surprised when Bethany was mad at going to the Wardens. She seemed envious of the mage origin warden(who is there cousin). When it first gets brought up in the house. That's why I decided to make her a Warden in the end.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

TobiTobsen wrote...

p95h wrote...

Making Bethany a warden is sentencing her to death from the taint in 30 years, and a glorious battle in the deep roads. Having Bethany go to the circle is a much more humane and family oriented decision.

Always wondered if sending female wardens for the calling into the deep roads isn't counterproductive. I mean... if I would be a dark spawn. I would make sure to capture them. Why kill them if you can still use them?
Or are they immune against becoming Broodmothers?

There's no Developer mandates on that that I know of, but I'm willing to bet the process of making a Broodmother is a lot more delicate then 'taint woman, make her eat tainted meat, profit'. Unless the life span of one is drasticly short, it's probably rather rare.

I rather doubt Branka's whole house had only three women including herself. Yet only one seems to have become a Broodmother. We know the Darkspawn don't try and turn all women, Adia in Vigil's Keep was a ghoul. I would expect that Gray Warden taint would probably be enough to kick the transformation off track before it would even start.

Not to say they might not try, and being a woman Warden on your Calling would not be something to do alone.

[thesuperdarkone]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

p95h wrote...

Making Bethany a warden is sentencing her to death from the taint in 30 years, and a glorious battle in the deep roads. Having Bethany go to the circle is a much more humane and family oriented decision.

Always wondered if sending female wardens for the calling into the deep roads isn't counterproductive. I mean... if I would be a dark spawn. I would make sure to capture them. Why kill them if you can still use them?
Or are they immune against becoming Broodmothers?

There's no Developer mandates on that that I know of, but I'm willing to bet the process of making a Broodmother is a lot more delicate then 'taint woman, make her eat tainted meat, profit'. Unless the life span of one is drasticly short, it's probably rather rare.

I rather doubt Branka's whole house had only three women including herself. Yet only one seems to have become a Broodmother. We know the Darkspawn don't try and turn all women, Adia in Vigil's Keep was a ghoul. I would expect that Gray Warden taint would probably be enough to kick the transformation off track before it would even start.

Not to say they might not try, and being a woman Warden on your Calling would not be something to do alone.

 

I remember DG saying that Female Wardens, due to the taint making them extremely unlikely to have children, are immune to becoming broodmothers.

[Hurbster]

The Angry One wrote...

Remember, this is the guy you're letting Bethany go with.

Yup, tea all over the keyboard.

[SilentK]

One bethany died, one ended up a warden. Next will go to the circle =) fun to see how it impacts the game. When I met up with Carver and the wardens in the end of Act 2 when everything falls apart he looked alot happier than my warden Bethany. Guess we'll se if she's is happier to see me in the circle-ending. I like to try different things =)

[Iosev]

I think Carver is happier as a Grey Warden because of the fact that he wants to step out of his brother's/sister's shadow and create a life of his own. Being in the Grey Wardens gives him purpose, as well as getting away from a life where magic is constantly the main focus.

Bethany really just wants to live life like a normal girl. Of course, that is impossible, because she'll always be a mage. However, Bethany becoming a Grey Warden just further complicates her life.  That said, she is mature and can accept and handle the responsibilities that comes with being a Grey Warden, even though she may not like it.

Without meta-gaming, my first thought was to respect Leandra's wishes and leave Bethany or Carver behind (i.e., using the mindset of being the eldest sibling, wanting to protect his younger sibling). With Bethany, it's easier to leave her behind, because she seemingly only wants to go because she wants to be with her brother/sister to support him/her, and she's much more understanding when you tell her to stay. Carver, on the other hand, REALLY wants to go, to the point of even suggesting that Hawke stay behind while he goes. Thus, I'm more inclined to leave Bethany behind, but take Carver along.

Modifié par arcelonious, 13 avril 2011 - 07:02 .

[Girl on a Rock]

Bethany/Hawke is the Human Mage GW's cousin?? What's the story?

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Partially here.

More specifics, Mama Hawke's cousin had kids, they kept the Amell name, they were also mages. One (the human Mage origin) went to the Feledan tower to either be 'watched' or known by Cullen.

[Torax]

 I prefer this Cullen

[Greta13]

Bethany's died in all my playthroughs, Carver was a warden though! Bethany is just screwed from the very beginning no matter what you do.