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[Raisthlin Arckon]

I soloed hard. Im now soloing nightmare and havent have much difficulty yet.

[Scyles]

I've solo'd the High Dragon after the rest of my party died, he was at like 90% health.

I made it a point to solo that one on Nightmare.  I believe I was level 12 or so.  That Greater Warmth Balm that I had sitting in my inventory for so long finally came through.

[Bhouse563]

JfBorrego wrote...

I guess I do "comparative" analysis when playing a game.

I'm just about done reading the first "Mistborn" book by Bryan Sanderson.

Excellent concept/storyline, very unique.

So when I try to "immerse" myself into the writing for DA:Origins, it's impossible. The level of talent/skill is just miles apart.

I know game developers can't afford to hire "real" talent to write. But knowing that you'd think they'd spend the $$ on other aspects of the game instead of giving the marginal writing such a main focus.

What is your qualification of a "real" writer? David Gaider has written several novels, though they were about Dragon Age. Also a book draws one in differently than a game, the author of a book has 100% control over your experience where as a videogame writer has the issue of dealing with choice and the user's free will. I think you are comparing apples to oranges here.

[Seraph Aur]

Bhouse563 wrote...

JfBorrego wrote...

I guess I do "comparative" analysis when playing a game.

I'm just about done reading the first "Mistborn" book by Bryan Sanderson.

Excellent concept/storyline, very unique.

So when I try to "immerse" myself into the writing for DA:Origins, it's impossible. The level of talent/skill is just miles apart.

I know game developers can't afford to hire "real" talent to write. But knowing that you'd think they'd spend the $$ on other aspects of the game instead of giving the marginal writing such a main focus.

What is your qualification of a "real" writer? David Gaider has written several novels, though they were about Dragon Age. Also a book draws one in differently than a game, the author of a book has 100% control over your experience where as a videogame writer has the issue of dealing with choice and the user's free will. I think you are comparing apples to oranges here.

Ah, the anonymity of the Internet....  It's just plain obnoxious and insulting to come into a forum devoted to a particular game and crap all over the creative talent that worked so hard to bring the game to fruition.  It's fine if you don't like the game.  Don't play it.  Hell, offer reasonable criticisms and suggestions for how it might be improved.  But your remarks go way beyond what can be considered reasonable.

I doubt you'd have the stones to say **** like that to someone's face, and if you did, expect a beatdown.

[Warlorddaslayer]

Having a mod that inserts a merchant early in the game with all non-unique armor, weapons and consumables would be really nice for a solo run.

[Teredan]

@jfborrigo



i think it is a bit far fetched to compare game writing with actual book writing since the form immersion in both of them are completely different.

there are also times when a game writer is limited through gameplay decisions in his story telling when an actual book author is not.

to call the game writer talentless is quite ignorant...

[seb__]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Soling a rogue n nightmare right now, so it is quite possible. Bosses need a LOT of forethought though.

How can you kill the Broodmother with only a single rogue?

[SirValeq]

Scyles wrote...

Yes, it's possible. I'm getting close to finishing up a mage duo game on Nightmare.

I was just thinking of doing this. Did you have to make one of them an AW to tank some stuff?

[Taritu]

Someone soloed nightmare as a rogue--said that ranger was indespensible.



Not going to bother myself (the party interactions are half the fun for me) but all the more power to those who do.

[LtlMac]

JfBorrego wrote...

jynthor wrote...

Why would you do that.
No funny one-liners
No chats between party members.
You'll just feel lonely...

I know I'm in the minority here but I find the dialogue and NPC interactions simply awful.  90% of the dialogue options are filler.  The voice acting is horrible.  The cut scene graphic quality is rubbish.

If I wanted to 'escape" into a story I'd read a novel by a real author - I find the writing in computer games to be very very low quality and generally quite juvenile...

Are you serious?   The writing and story is what makes Bioware....Bioware.   If I wanted a hack and slash game I have Tons of options to choose from.......but Bioware is the ONLY company that makes RPG's worth a damn.  Final Fantasy is juvenile.  Kings Quest is Juvenile.  Bioware games....especially this one...NOT juvenile.  At least thats my opinion and I would wager the opinion of 90% of the ppl here.

[gurugeorge]

JfBorrego wrote...

I guess I do "comparative" analysis when playing a game.

I'm just about done reading the first "Mistborn" book by Bryan Sanderson.

Excellent concept/storyline, very unique.

So when I try to "immerse" myself into the writing for DA:Origins, it's impossible. The level of talent/skill is just miles apart.

I know game developers can't afford to hire "real" talent to write. But knowing that you'd think they'd spend the $$ on other aspects of the game instead of giving the marginal writing such a main focus.

Hmm, I dunno - it's all relative I guess.  Sure, the writing in videogames isn't as good as the writing in books, in general (and I don't think that's always down to the quality of the writer, but the difficulty of crafting something that has to cope with player choices); but the writing in BioWare games is time and time again the best writing in videogames of this kind (CRPGs), and the voice acting is also generally a cut above most other videogames.  In these relative terms, I think the writing in DA:O is very good - if you haven't tried playing the game with the companions, because you're put off at the beginning of the game by the very concept, you should give it a chance.  You're missing out on a lot of laugh-out-loud black humour, and adult humour.

Btw, have you ever played The Witcher?  That has some excellent writing in terms of videogames (though sadly the voice acting is truly terrible mostly).

[Cursek]

Seraph Aur wrote...

Bhouse563 wrote...

JfBorrego wrote...

I guess I do "comparative" analysis when playing a game.

I'm just about done reading the first "Mistborn" book by Bryan Sanderson.

Excellent concept/storyline, very unique.

So when I try to "immerse" myself into the writing for DA:Origins, it's impossible. The level of talent/skill is just miles apart.

I know game developers can't afford to hire "real" talent to write. But knowing that you'd think they'd spend the $$ on other aspects of the game instead of giving the marginal writing such a main focus.

What is your qualification of a "real" writer? David Gaider has written several novels, though they were about Dragon Age. Also a book draws one in differently than a game, the author of a book has 100% control over your experience where as a videogame writer has the issue of dealing with choice and the user's free will. I think you are comparing apples to oranges here.

Ah, the anonymity of the Internet....  It's just plain obnoxious and insulting to come into a forum devoted to a particular game and crap all over the creative talent that worked so hard to bring the game to fruition.  It's fine if you don't like the game.  Don't play it.  Hell, offer reasonable criticisms and suggestions for how it might be improved.  But your remarks go way beyond what can be considered reasonable.

I doubt you'd have the stones to say **** like that to someone's face, and if you did, expect a beatdown.

Agreed, and you probably just shouldn't play games at all if that's your expectation, since BW has had some of the best story driven content for years.


As for the OP:

Hmm, Warrior on hard aren't too bad, haven't tried Nightmare though. I'm a shield warrior and after enough careful speccing, the game feels like normal mode. Only on bosses that can 'grab' me do I use poultrices, to keep my hp up in case they try to finish me so.

[soteria]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but if you're mashing escape for every dialogue, I'm not going to put much weight in your analysis of its quality. I really don't care much if you don't enjoy the writing, I'm just pointing out that you can't possibly be a very good judge of its true quality if you skip most of it.



If I skimmed my way through Mistborn and skipped any parts I didn't think were important, and afterward said it sucked, would you want to read a review I wrote of it?

[glen55]

"I know game developers can't afford to hire "real" talent to write."



As a writer I can tell you you're WAAAAAAAAAY off on that. There are lots of critically-acclaimed writers who make much less.



The rest of your post is mostly a matter of opinion, but I'm with those who vehemently disagree with you. There is plenty of excellent dialogue in DA IMO. The overall story is disappointingly generic fantasy, but the details are handled in a top-notch fashion.