I think we all know how the qunari invasion started, the killing of Saemus, the loss of the tome to Isabela and most importantly, Aveline's insistence for the Arishok to give back the two elves. Ok let me tell you why Aveline insisting for them to be returned to face punishment was terribly wrong:
First of all, the coumpound where the qunari was staying was their territory by treaty, it was not part of Kirkwall anymore, it was like Par Vollen, then it had it's own administration and independence from the city state of Kirkwall.
Second I asked my criminal law teacher from my college (yes I am a lawschool student) about people who commit crimes in their country and ask for political asylum (well the two elves's situation is similar i guess, even if religion was involved to achieve this) in another country who has no extradition treaty or any good diplomatical relationships (I heard the Arishok told the Viscount to "begone" when he visited them so you can't call that good diplomacy) with the country of the criminals, and the country of the criminals wishes that country to turn them in then the will of the people of that country applies (in this case the qunari people), if they decided to hand them over it was alright, but if they refused to hand them over the country of the criminals can't do anything but leave, otherwise (what Aveline did) it will mean to interfere in the sovereignity of that country, even if it's dictator like (the Arishok is somehow like a supreme rules not a democratic president), so yeah, according to my country's laws Aveline was wrong, this goes for the real world, not sure how things are right or wrong in Thedas though.
Aveline was WRONG to ask for the elves back! Proof...
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vlyms1
, avril 12 2011 06:13
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Posté 12 avril 2011 - 08:50
David Gaider
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Just so we're clear:
There is no treaty. No-one says there is a treaty, not even the qunari gate guard.
As for the mention of the gift, the Viscount says this:
Balance has held because the Qunari ask for nothing. Even the space in Lowtown was a "gift" to contain them.
The quotes are from the in-game text. Whether someone wants to interpret that as meaning more than it is, it's irrelevant. Under no circumstances is the qunari compound foreign soil. It's an awkward and tense situation, and the Viscount recognizes that. When Aveline goes to speak with the Arishok, it's to speak... if you'll recall, she leaves her guards outside. She makes no a demand, but no threat. The Arishok, meanwhile, knows that the city is going to repond to the situation and has already been preparing.
So make of that what you will, but trying to read some kind of legality into the qunari's occupation of the docks area that is neither stated nor really even implied is reaching.
There is no treaty. No-one says there is a treaty, not even the qunari gate guard.
As for the mention of the gift, the Viscount says this:
Balance has held because the Qunari ask for nothing. Even the space in Lowtown was a "gift" to contain them.
The quotes are from the in-game text. Whether someone wants to interpret that as meaning more than it is, it's irrelevant. Under no circumstances is the qunari compound foreign soil. It's an awkward and tense situation, and the Viscount recognizes that. When Aveline goes to speak with the Arishok, it's to speak... if you'll recall, she leaves her guards outside. She makes no a demand, but no threat. The Arishok, meanwhile, knows that the city is going to repond to the situation and has already been preparing.
So make of that what you will, but trying to read some kind of legality into the qunari's occupation of the docks area that is neither stated nor really even implied is reaching.
