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[Tazzmission]

:sigh: i find them both boring honestly . kaidens the typicall wine cry and moan about the whole l3 implant and asheley is on her im so and so's granddaughter blah blah blah... i really think me2 had the better charachters when it came to stories and that excludes jacob so 12 out of 13 is still good

[Razith]

Always Ashley, I used Kaiden when I had to at the start, but with the list of other characters....I honestly forgot about him until the actual mission to choose between them.

Also it helped that my main Shep was an engineer, thus double bodyguard Ash/Wrex. Poor Kaiden had only a few more lines than Jenkins until his final mission.

[Aklis]

Look. Simple logic. Kaidan is voiced by Carth from KotOR. Ashley is not.

I never really came to bros with Kaidan, I was immediately captured by Ash and Garrus. Angry "You-cheated-on-me-with-a-test-tube-baby"-sex and brofists, please?

Modifié par Aklis, 13 avril 2011 - 04:46 .

[GodWood]

Tazzmission wrote...
:sigh: i find them both boring honestly . kaidens the typicall wine cry and moan about the whole l3 implant

Garrus whines more.

[Tazzmission]

GodWood wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
:sigh: i find them both boring honestly . kaidens the typicall wine cry and moan about the whole l3 implant

Garrus whines more.

i still stand by my me2 squad comment . me1 had the epic story but out of the me1 squad i think wrex and liara had the best backround stories. i  dont have a favorite from that game so im not a fanboy. but in me2 i am a huge fanboy for thane, legion, mordin, kasumi, garuss, i do believe if the vs wasmore involved in me2 maybe id grow to like them. i feel the same for jacob. they couldve done a story and a loyalty mission based on his past with the alliance instead of  the whole my daddy left me for 10 years story.


i love the mass effect franchise but both games have pros and cons

[GodWood]

Tazzmission wrote...
me1 had the epic story but out of the me1 squad i think wrex and liara had the best backround stories.

Liara had virtually no backstory.
She was essentially just "I'm a shy virgin from a species that can bang anything, wanna bang?"

I'd say she was the worst character of all the ME1 characters.

Modifié par GodWood, 13 avril 2011 - 04:53 .

[Tazzmission]

GodWood wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
me1 had the epic story but out of the me1 squad i think wrex and liara had the best backround stories.

Liara had virtually no backstory.
She was essentially just "I'm a shy virgin from a species that can bang anything, wanna bang?"

I'd say she was the worst character of all the ME1 characters.

to each there own i guess. now when her charachter developed in me2 i thought they did a great job. dont get me wrong i wanna like ash/kaiden but i do feel that me2 missed two interesting ways to introduce them and build there charachters. and like i made a thread the other night. introduce a bisexual option for people who want the same sex li... after all the game is about what you decide

[Mylene]

Tazzmission wrote...

:sigh: i find them both boring honestly . kaidens the typicall wine cry and moan about the whole l3 implant and asheley is on her im so and so's granddaughter blah blah blah... i really think me2 had the better charachters when it came to stories and that excludes jacob so 12 out of 13 is still good

tbh tali is the most boring character in me1 imo.
tali=quarian encyclopedia
and when did kaidan whine about the whole L3 implant?would you like to explain?

[BlackwindTheCommander]

I just felt like I got along with Kaiden better than Ashley. I tried but I could never keep her happy.

[Tazzmission]

Mylene wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

:sigh: i find them both boring honestly . kaidens the typicall wine cry and moan about the whole l3 implant and asheley is on her im so and so's granddaughter blah blah blah... i really think me2 had the better charachters when it came to stories and that excludes jacob so 12 out of 13 is still good

tbh tali is the most boring character in me1 imo.
tali=quarian encyclopedia
and when did kaidan whine about the whole L3 implant?would you like to explain?

you have to talk to him i believe once or twice and theres a option where he discusses why he didnt want the l3 implant.


i dont understand the tali fanbase either but her loyalty quest was very well done. ill laugh so hard if they unveil her in me3 and she turns out to be some form of sloth from the goonies

[jeweledleah]

so much hate in this thread, so much immature snap judgments, I'm not sure whether to be sad or resigned or both.

1. properly specced Kaidan, especially at higher levels is the absolute best squadmate out of the roster. he does electronics, descriptions, crowd control AND first aid.
2. one mention of a headache does not a whiner make. a person who deliberately glosses over what was probably an experience close to as horrific as what Jack went through? is not a whiner.
3. hating a character because he's voiced by the same actor as a completely different character in a completely different game? wow....
4. Ashley is not a racist, she's a pragmatist. she's barely even speciest. she's young and seems to have trouble keeping her mouth shot sometimes, but she doesn't have enough life experience to get political savvy.
5. she's intelligent and capable enough to have gotten promoted several times despite being black listed due to her name and she managed to survive against overwhelming numbers of Geth until Shepard showed up - a fit very similar to that of a sole survivor Shepard him or herself.
5. both characters have many many ways out of a so called ninjamance. and if you know just the right trigger choice you can get all of their dialogue without getting a romance flag. there are several points in a very first conversation and there are phrases in 2 of the subsequent conversations as well.

both characters have a lot of great ambient dialogue, interesting backstories and despite the challenges in their lives are basically normal well adjusted individuals. I guess lack of drama makes them boring. there's just no accounting for tastes.

personally, vast majority of the time I save Kaidan. sometimes its because he's a superior officer personally selected by Anderson no less, and a rare stable L2. sometimes its because he's a romantic interest. I saved Ashley twice, because I felt bad about letting her die so much so once its for a romance and once for a sister-at-arms reason.

and for the love of god - voicing a concern or talking about issues WHEN ASKED is not whining. its barely even complaining. 

edited to add - Kaidan EXPLAINS why he has a headache when you ask him, and he then explains why he kept a more unstable l2 implants instead of upgrading to l3 ones - again when promted.  one conversation.  ONE

Modifié par jeweledleah, 13 avril 2011 - 05:09 .

[Tazzmission]

jeweledleah wrote...

so much hate in this thread, so much immature snap judgments, I'm not sure whether to be sad or resigned or both.

1. properly specced Kaidan, especially at higher levels is the absolute best squadmate out of the roster. he does electronics, descriptions, crowd control AND first aid.
2. one mention of a headache does not a whiner make. a person who deliberately glosses over what was probably an experience close to as horrific as what Jack went through? is not a whiner.
3. hating a character because he's voiced by the same actor as a completely different character in a completely different game? wow....
4. Ashley is not a racist, she's a pragmatist. she's barely even speciest. she's young and seems to have trouble keeping her mouth shot sometimes, but she doesn't have enough life experience to get political savvy.
5. she's intelligent and capable enough to have gotten promoted several times despite being black listed due to her name and she managed to survive against overwhelming numbers of Geth until Shepard showed up - a fit very similar to that of a sole survivor Shepard him or herself.
5. both characters have many many ways out of a so called ninjamance. and if you know just the right trigger choice you can get all of their dialogue without getting a romance flag. there are several points in a very first conversation and there are phrases in 2 of the subsequent conversations as well.

both characters have a lot of great ambient dialogue, interesting backstories and despite the challenges in their lives are basically normal well adjusted individuals. I guess lack of drama makes them boring. there's just no accounting for tastes.

personally, vast majority of the time I save Kaidan. sometimes its because he's a superior officer personally selected by Anderson no less, and a rare stable L2. sometimes its because he's a romantic interest. I saved Ashley twice, because I felt bad about letting her die so much so once its for a romance and once for a sister-at-arms reason.

and for the love of god - voicing a concern or talking about issues WHEN ASKED is not whining. its barely even complaining.

i never said they werent good in combat all i said was there backround stories arent that interesting to me.

[PlumPaul93]

I didn't see kaidan as a whiner took him and ashley everywhere and he was an alright dude with hidden humor. But chose ashley because i'm straight and she was my LI. As I'm sure 80% of the people who saved kaidan did the it for the same reasons.

[Tazzmission]

i think we all can use some

[Dasher1010]

Depends on which playthrough

[Speakeasy13]

I like the OP's reasoning, which is quite similar to mine the first time around. That Ashley was a racist younger version of Shep. Up until she threatened to kill Wrex I felt the same way about her. And then it dawned me just how little she had developed over the course of the first game. Me, Pressley, Joker, all of us grew out of our ethnocentric selves and started to respect aliens, but Ashley, despite having fought alongside these remarkable individuals, remained the same. I guess I just felt some so narrow-minded and hatred-filled had no place on my team. It was only natural the two grew apart.

[PlumPaul93]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

I like the OP's reasoning, which is quite similar to mine the first time around. That Ashley was a racist younger version of Shep. Up until she threatened to kill Wrex I felt the same way about her. And then it dawned me just how little she had developed over the course of the first game. Me, Pressley, Joker, all of us grew out of our ethnocentric selves and started to respect aliens, but Ashley, despite having fought alongside these remarkable individuals, remained the same. I guess I just felt some so narrow-minded and hatred-filled had no place on my team. It was only natural the two grew apart.

if you grew to like aliens why didn't you try to convince her that aliens are good? If you constantly convince her aliens aren't the enemy near the end of the game you get a paragon option to convince her that aliens aren't enemies. You failed to develope her not BW

[Big I]

Ash annoyed me with her "can't trust aliens" thing.

In game I justify it based on the events of Virmire. Kaidan as a sentinel has advanced technical training and should go with the nuke, while Ash as a soldier should go with the distraction team. When the time comes to choose who to save you can either go back and secure the bomb site, thus preventing it from being tampered with by the geth, or go to the tower in the hopes of saving Ash and maybe any salarians with her. The bomb's more important, therefore I choose to go back and saive Kaidan.

[Speakeasy13]

I've always had this theory that Ashley is the archetypical military/hillbilly babe, there to please the group of ethnocentric players who don't enjoy aliens (and other cultures in general). I don't have anything against conservatives (or Ashley for that matter), but it always struck me as odd how anybody can still like Ashley especially after that episode with Wrex. I mean, seriously, why would you wanna play a space opera RPG if you don't like aliens in the 1st place? Yet I understand Ashley has a substantial fanbase, and it'd be interesting for me to see where these ppl came from, I suspect she's more popular in America than anywhere else.

I'm purely saying this out of my cultural character - I live in Hong Kong, and our culture is fairly liberal/progressive for the most part. And my circle of RL friends who play ME all grew to dislike her because of that. It's difficult for us, having grown up dealing with Chinese/white/S Asians/SE Asians/Japanese ppl everyday, to comprehend outright racism (not that we're racist-free, but). And her character subsequently loses relevance to us.

[Speakeasy13]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

If you constantly convince her aliens aren't the enemy near the end of the game you get a paragon option to convince her that aliens aren't enemies. You failed to develope her not BW

I did in one of my saves. Only to have her pop back up in ME2 telling me she thinks aliens are only marginally better than Cerberus.

And it my aforementioned theory was right, then there's a metagame reason why Ashley simply cannot develop. The conservative crowd will probably detest.

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 13 avril 2011 - 06:27 .

[PlumPaul93]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

If you constantly convince her aliens aren't the enemy near the end of the game you get a paragon option to convince her that aliens aren't enemies. You failed to develope her not BW

Yeah so that she could pop back up in ME2 telling me she thinks aliens are only marginally better than Cerberus.

you were saying you didn't save her in ME1 because she didn't like aliens. I told you, you could change that if you wanted to, and yet you whine about what she says in ME2. Sounds like you have a problem. Sounds like you just don't like her and no evidence that what you say is wrong is going to change your viewpoint. Also I believe she says something like I don't like aliens but I couldn't work for an organization like cerberus

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 13 avril 2011 - 06:26 .

[PureLeadHead]

I've done so many playthroughs, it depends on the playthrough. Most commonly, I'd save Ash, either for her to remain alive for Romance, or simply because I don't use biotics all that much and I find Soldiers more useful. If I'm romancing Liara in the playthrough, I'm less likely to follow that and make it Kaiden. Though it's probably a 80/20 split, favoring Ash.

[Speakeasy13]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

you were saying you didn't save her in ME1 because she didn't like aliens. I told you, you could change that if you wanted to, and yet you whine about what she says in ME2. Sounds like you have a problem. Sounds like you just don't like her and no evidence that what you say is wrong is going to change your viewpoint. Also I believe she says something like I don't like aliens but I couldn't work for an organization like cerberus

The purpose of debate is not to change the other's viewpoint, but to express your own coherently so the other will at least take it into consideration. Yet judge from the very 1st sentence in your post, you're not doing too well in the coherence department. Sounds more like you just like her and anyone who doesn't as much as you do has a problem. Oh well.

[wright1978]

I chose to save Ashley first time round as she was my LI. In the middle of my second playthrough and this time it will be Kaidan i rescue.

[Taritu]

Kaidan, almost every time. I like him more (he's my sounding board), and from a military point of view, as a biotic, he's more valuable than Ash (and in ME1, as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing Ash can do that Wrex can't do better that I care about). I had to really force myself to save Ash when I did so so that I'd have one save with her alive.