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[Running_Blind]

Up against an enemy who's about to use an AoE/strong(Wasp Spiders!) elemental attack? Rally+Elemental Aegis.
Loads of Archers that keep staggering your squishies? Rally + Turn The Blade + Steady The Foot(+20 Fortitude)
Mage just cast Hex of Torment/Death Hex? Rally + Might + Muscle.
Party low on Stamina? Rally?
None of the above? Rally + Control + Turn the Blade.

[Jubez187]

Rally on two of your warriors = unlimited stamina

I love Rally, great skill and concept

[aethernox]

I might actually consider using it now. I never had extra skill points on my warrior, but if it works as described as of today's patch... that would be great. Especially if it provides the bonuses of conflicting sustains, if you have both might and control active, for example.

[naughty99]

have you confirmed that it works now with Patch 1.02?

[Lumikki]

I don't really like it. Why?

I don't like how some warriors skill is affecting mages mana. I mean does mages cause warriors stamina come back or does warriors be able to do that they own?

What if you have no warriors in you group?

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 avril 2011 - 01:26 .

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I really like the versatility of that battle master tree.. you can create a tank warrior or an offensive warrior pretty well with that tree.

[naughty99]

Lumikki wrote...

I don't really like it. Why?

I don't like how some warriors skill is affecting mages mana. I mean does mages cause warriors stamina come back or does warriors be able to do that they own?

What if you have no warriors in you group?

I think the concept behind the ability is that the particular warrior who has this skill is such a great leader in battle that he inspires his companions to continue fighting, recharging their energy. This actually occurs in real life.

Modifié par naughty99, 13 avril 2011 - 01:29 .

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naughty99 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

I don't really like it. Why?

I don't like how some warriors skill is affecting mages mana. I mean does mages cause warriors stamina come back or does warriors be able to do that they own?

What if you have no warriors in you group?

I think the concept behind the ability is that the particular warrior who has this skill is such a great leader in battle that he inspires his companions to continue fighting, recharging their energy. This actually occurs in real life.

hence the word "rally"

[Lumikki]

I think you missed my point.

1. I don't like the consept as motivation restoring someones magic energy "mana". You need rest, not motivation. I mean even how much someone saying I need to do something, when I'm out of mana, it doens't just pop from nowhere by some warriors actions. If warrior can restore mage mana, why can't mages do it them self. I mean they are professional with magic stuff.

2. I don't like consept how stamina / mana restoring is all build in warriors roles. What if you group doesn't have warrior at all. How does other groups take care mana /stamian situations. Meaning without warrior you gimp you mana / stamina regeneration?

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 avril 2011 - 03:51 .

[naughty99]

In real life, in a battle situation, a great squad leader can inspire you with a few words and give you renewed energy to make it through the toughest battles, stretching yourself beyond what you thought was possible.

In the DA2 world, the warrior is the only class that studies the military theory, or the science of war (Battlemaster tree). This is why mages don't neccessarily have the same ability tree to give an inspiring pep talk, etc.

(although they can resurrect fallen companions recharging their health/stamina and in DAO there was a spell that gave mana/stamina).

Modifié par naughty99, 13 avril 2011 - 02:27 .

[lazuli]

Lumikki wrote...
2. I don't like consept how stamina / mana restoring is all build in warriors roles. What if you group doesn't have warrior at all. How does other groups take care mana /stamian situations. Meaning without warrior you gimp you mana / stamina regeneration?

That's not all you gimp when you don't take a Warrior.  I'm the first one to clamor for more resource management options, though.  It's strange that resource management is included in the Warrior's kit when they're already the best tanks, aggro managers, and nukers.

[aethernox]

You don't need rally in order to manage your mana. It's equally fair for someone to say that they don't like health restoration is all in creation and mage specializations, so you can't heal with rogues.

You aren't gimped if you don't use Rally. It isn't that good, really. Usable, certainly, though.

[theangryllama]

Lumikki wrote...

1. I don't like the consept as motivation restoring someones magic energy "mana". You need rest, not motivation. I mean even how much someone saying I need to do something, when I'm out of mana, it doens't just pop from nowhere by some warriors actions. If warrior can restore mage mana, why can mages do them self. I mean they are professional with magic stuff.

Drawing power from the fade drains a person physically and mentally. That can be linked to willpower increasing the stat, its not increasing the energy present just the amount you can continue drawing before you cannot will yourself to continue. The actual energy present there is effectively limitless. This is the reason why one can use lyrium to 'recharge', your basically swilling some drug concoction which allows to ignore your physical limitations for a while and to continue drawing energy past your normal tolerance (also can be seen in the 'withdrawls' that templars can have).
In this same vein someone yelling encouragement and 'rallying' you onwards to continue fighting again can cause someone to push on past their normal limits if only for a few seconds. You can assume they would be more exhausted after this battle than they would have been normally of course but in the game world we do not see our characters resting or any such.

[Lumikki]

It doesn't expain why warrior is affecting mana. Mage is the one who is linked to fade, not warriors, so mages should affect they mana, not warriors.

Like I sayed before, I don't like it.

How ever, if I forgot all this, yes rally is very useful skill.

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 avril 2011 - 05:23 .

[Running_Blind]

Willpower=How much mana and stamina you have.

From this you can assume that talents and spells are tiring. Having a high willpower doesn't mean you have a better connection to the fade, it means you have enough strength of will to fight through the exertion.

Rally just inspires people to dig deeper, it's not affecting the mage's mana.

[brazen_nl]

Upgraded Might + Rally and your rogue will love you.