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[Alex Kershaw]

In act 3, if Alistair is King he will come with Teagan and claim that he needs to go and meet the Hero of Ferelden in Denerim. This still happens even if your Warden went through the mirror with Morrigan in Witch Hunt. Assuming that Origins starts near the start of 9:30...



9:30 Origins (must be a year or less to fit in with DA2 Act 1 EDIT: I forgot that it may take some time for Hawke and co to get from Lothering to Kirkwall. Still, it doesn't really affect the timeline much - it just means that DAO could be a bit longer than a year)

9:30 DA2 year with smugglers/mercenaries (1 year)

9:31 DA2 Act 1 (1 year)

9:31 Awakenings (starts 6 months into the year, lasts unknown length of time)

9:32 Witch Hunt possibility #1 (Bioware's official Witch Hunt page claims it starts around the start of this year)

9:33 Witch Hunt possibility #2 (The wiki claims Witch Hunt starts around half way through this year)

9:34 DA2 Act 2 (1 year)

9:37 DA2 Act 3 (1 year, including King Alistair saying that he is meeting the Hero of Ferelden in Denerim)

9:40 Cassandra questions Varrik, and the Warden has vanished




Is this a bug or does the warden pop back for a meeting with Alistair before disappearing again for when Cassandra says it?

Modifié par Alex Kershaw, 13 avril 2011 - 12:08 .

[TJPags]

DA2 doesn't consider plot flags from WH. It reads them, but doesn't do anything with them.

So DA2 does not know whether the Warden went into the mirror with Morrigan.

[Alex Kershaw]

TJPags wrote...

DA2 doesn't consider plot flags from WH. It reads them, but doesn't do anything with them.

So DA2 does not know whether the Warden went into the mirror with Morrigan.

But Bioware had the choice to do something with them since they are imported. That doesn't change my question, which is whether this is a bug, an oversight or if it was intended that the Warden had in fact returned by that point, only to go missing again by 9:40.

[HighMoon]

The Warden and Morrigan decided stop by at Denerim to get a bite to eat before continuing on their adventure. Alistair saw them and mistakingly assumed they had returned for good, he struck a deal with the Warden that he would see him/her again after returning from his trip to Kirkwall, only to later find that the pair had mysteriously vanished once again.

[TJPags]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

TJPags wrote...

DA2 doesn't consider plot flags from WH. It reads them, but doesn't do anything with them.

So DA2 does not know whether the Warden went into the mirror with Morrigan.

But Bioware had the choice to do something with them since they are imported. That doesn't change my question, which is whether this is a bug, an oversight or if it was intended that the Warden had in fact returned by that point, only to go missing again by 9:40.

Yes, Bioware had that choice.  Bioware did not take that choice.

It doesn't seem to me to be a bug or an oversight.  It seems intentional.  Not sure if its supposed to mean the Warden went into the mirror, came back, then vanished again.

What it does mean is that DA2 does not care what your warden did.  Going into the mirror or not doesn't matter to DA2.  Why they made it this way, I have no idea.

[LadyVaJedi]

My cousland female married Al so he is going home to her :>

[Alex Kershaw]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

My cousland female married Al so he is going home to her :>

Yet she vanishes 3 years later.

[Lucy Glitter]

They haven't disappeared yet. Obviously.

[sylvanaerie]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

My cousland female married Al so he is going home to her :>

Mine too.  After she let Morrigan go my Cousland went home to Denerim to be with her hubby.  I have no issues with what Alistair says.  Even the 'ball and chain' line.  I thought it was pretty funny.  (And takes on a new emphasis when he is usiing it to refer to a political marriage like to an ambitious Cousland he dislikes or to Anora).

[Torax]

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_7u3nhANa4

[Alex Kershaw]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

They haven't disappeared yet. Obviously.

I'm not sure how I could have made it any clearer than putting a timeline in there...

[Amagoi]

So, is this intentional? Or is this part of the bug DA2 seems to have when reading your import?

Modifié par Amagoi, 13 avril 2011 - 12:49 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Might as well just consider Witch Hunt to have taken place later than we previously suspected. It's not like they were ever consistent in its timing anyways.

[Suron]

Amagoi wrote...

So, is this intentional? Or is this part of the bug DA2 seems to have when reading your import?

no..it's no damn bug.  It's what a lot of these "problems" are.  BioWare not caring what you did and not bothering to take the time to give DA2 altering paths based off DA:O decisions.  It's all part of the "rushed product and cut corners"

it is not a bug.  BioWare's fabled "choice" means nothing, because they don't care about anything you did and the revenue vs time is not high enough to warrant "caring"

[Alex Kershaw]

Amagoi wrote...

So, is this intentional? Or is this part of the bug DA2 seems to have when reading your import?

The witch hunt flags are definitely imported properly, but they're never used. It seems to be unrelated to the bug where none of the romance flags get imported. It seems either an oversight where they just forgot that the Warden could be off with Morrigan or it's intentional, meaning that the Warden came back (then disappeared again by the Cassandra questioning Varric part of the timeline).

[Suron]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

So, is this intentional? Or is this part of the bug DA2 seems to have when reading your import?

The witch hunt flags are definitely imported properly, but they're never used. It seems to be unrelated to the bug where none of the romance flags get imported. It seems either an oversight where they just forgot that the Warden could be off with Morrigan or it's intentional, meaning that the Warden came back (then disappeared again by the Cassandra questioning Varric part of the timeline).

see my above comment.  It's as simple as BioWare not bothering to spend the time to make any of those flags mean anything.  If the flag isn't just some 30 second conversation with an optional chance for more combat it's not even bothered to be addressed.

Get it through your heads.  They don't care.  The "hit a button, awesome happens" concept doesn't allow for trite concepts of choice or continuity.

[Alex Kershaw]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Might as well just consider Witch Hunt to have taken place later than we previously suspected. It's not like they were ever consistent in its timing anyways.

That's assuming it IS an oversight, and not intentional. It seems unlikely, but at least possible that the Warden was back by the time Alistair said that. But anyway, I think it's an easier solution to just stop Alistair saying that one line by checking your Witch Hunt flag than to move the entire Witch Hunt DLC forward by a large number of years. What would my Warden be doing for all that time while he vowed to find Morrigan?

[Alex Kershaw]

Suron wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

So, is this intentional? Or is this part of the bug DA2 seems to have when reading your import?

The witch hunt flags are definitely imported properly, but they're never used. It seems to be unrelated to the bug where none of the romance flags get imported. It seems either an oversight where they just forgot that the Warden could be off with Morrigan or it's intentional, meaning that the Warden came back (then disappeared again by the Cassandra questioning Varric part of the timeline).

see my above comment.  It's as simple as BioWare not bothering to spend the time to make any of those flags mean anything.  If the flag isn't just some 30 second conversation with an optional chance for more combat it's not even bothered to be addressed.

Get it through your heads.  They don't care.  The "hit a button, awesome happens" concept doesn't allow for trite concepts of choice or continuity.

Still, they at least usually give some form of illusion of choice where as this is just a blatant time warp of a considerable number of years. This is one of the only cases where there is a blantant inconsistency in the timings of the events so it would be nice to have some confirmation that it is in fact an oversight or not...

[HTTP 404]

I never believe anything alistair says....

besides a wizard did it

[TheAwesomologist]

Eh, I just assumed they retconned when Witch Hunt happens. Although if the Warden does return from time to time to take care of things for the Grey Wardens then great. Sounds like DLC bait to me!

[TJPags]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

So, is this intentional? Or is this part of the bug DA2 seems to have when reading your import?

The witch hunt flags are definitely imported properly, but they're never used. It seems to be unrelated to the bug where none of the romance flags get imported. It seems either an oversight where they just forgot that the Warden could be off with Morrigan or it's intentional, meaning that the Warden came back (then disappeared again by the Cassandra questioning Varric part of the timeline).

They are not used.

That is intentional.  Not a bug.

Not sure why they did it that way, but that's how they did it.

[Dave of Canada]

Isn't Witch Hunt set a few years after DA:A?

[Demx]

If it was intentional to overlook Witch Hunt, then fixing the DLC so that the auto-save at the end works was pointless.

[TJPags]

Well, they could have meant that information for DA3 or something.

Just because it wasn't used in DA2 doesn't mean it has no point.

[Demx]

TJPags wrote...

Well, they could have meant that information for DA3 or something.

Just because it wasn't used in DA2 doesn't mean it has no point.

I doubt it will be used in DA3, why keep the information on hold for 3+ years? More then likely we won't hear anything about the Warden in DA3.