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[naughty99]

wowpwnslol wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

What is your definition of an RPG?

It seems to be quite different than my understanding of what a role-playing game is.

Baldur's Gate series, Icewind Dale series. Planescape: Torment. NWN: Hordes of the Underdark (+many user created modules), NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer. Dragon Age Origins (despite its many faults).

How would you define the term "RPG"? (not necessarily "classic," but what qualifies as an "RPG" to you?)

For example, you indicated you believe Oblivion, Morrowind, Daggerfall - all of the Bethesda games are not even RPGs (although they are generally highly regarded as RPGs). 

Modifié par naughty99, 13 avril 2011 - 01:37 .

[Zcorck]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

OH DEAR GOD! Final Fantasy 13 was the WORST Final Fantasy I have EVER played. But the saddest thing is... it's still better than DA2. FF1 - FF7 = BeYoND AWESUM!!one1! FF8-FF10 = Great games. FF11-FF12 = .... wtf? FF13 = 2 hours in... microwave the CD it's garbage.

Seriously. Does anyone remember when you could choose where you went next in FF? Anyone remember roaming the "World Map"? Anyone remember EXPERIENCE POINTS?

The worst parts about Final Fantasy 13.... you couldn't change your party members until you were on the third disk (Chapter 11) and the entire Paradigim system was designed that at any given time you only had access to 10% of your characters' skills and powers.

But back on topic. Anyone who says that the "classic RPG" is dead is either trolling or they don't know where to look... this year, from my current knowledge, there are at least 5 AAA titles from big studios that are RPGs and at least 100 from Indy developers.

Would you mind listing the rpgs or at least some of them like the 5 AAA, because I don't actually know which RPGs that are coming out in the nearest date aside from Witcher 2, Skyrim & Dungeon Siege 3.
Appreciated.

[casadechrisso]

naughty99 wrote...

How would you define the term "RPG"?

For example, you indicated you believe Oblivion, Morrowind, Daggerfall - all of the Bethesda games are not RPGs (although they are generally highly regarded as RPGs). 

I assume anything that's close to classic PnP/D&D style. While that's absolutely fine, those other games are still RPGs, even if they don't meet that standard. 

[HTTP 404]

this should be moved to off-topic right? we arn't talking about DA2.... 

[Vicious]

Depends what you consider 'classic.'

[Cobrawar]

if I ever start a game company you will.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

wowpwnslol wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

What is your definition of an RPG?

It seems to be quite different than my understanding of what a role-playing game is.

Baldur's Gate series, Icewind Dale series. Planescape: Torment. NWN: Hordes of the Underdark (+many user created modules), NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer. Dragon Age Origins (despite its many faults).

So games like Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines and Witcher aren't RPGs for you? Just action games with a bit of RPG sprinkled in?

Hmm... different definition than mine. But each to their own. Games like those and New Vegas aren't classical RPGs, but they still are RPGs nonetheless. More importantly, they are good games. Least the classical ones you mentioned are really classics.



I've read that J.E Sawyer (Lead Designer of New Vegas, IWD 2) wanted to make Icewind Dale 3 a while back. So pray that Obsidian gets the D&D license. Maybe you'll have something there.

& Lol at the Age of Decadence stuff. I heard it's coming out next Thursday.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 13 avril 2011 - 01:40 .

[Montana]

Speaking of the D&D license:
Neverwinter

This game might give OP what he wants.

The Other contender this year is Skyrim.

[wowpwnslol]

casadechrisso wrote...

I assume anything that's close to classic PnP/D&D style. While that's absolutely fine, those other games are still RPGs, even if they don't meet that standard. 

Correct. DnD rules define RPG gaming.

[Lord Phoebus]

For classic RPGs, you'll have to look to indy devs (AoD or DS). You should also pick up Drakensang and Drakensang 2 (2 is better), which are pretty traditional.

@XxTaLoNxX and McCrusty: Any RPG that does not have RTS or TBS mechanics is not a classic (or traditional RPG) it is an action RPG. A classic RPG has the same mechanics as the PnP products they were originally based on. Hence Oblivion, FO3, FO:NV and the Witcher are action RPGs, not classic RPGs. Although the last two are great RPGs (Oblivion was crap that could only be partially salvaged by mods and FO3 was lacking a plot).

[wowpwnslol]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

For classic RPGs, you'll have to look to indy devs (AoD or DS). You should also pick up Drakensang and Drakensang 2 (2 is better), which are pretty traditional.

I have only heard vaguely of those games. I'll look into them, thanks.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I'm not disputing that, just the notion that games like Vegas are shooters with RPG elements.

They aren't classical RPGs, but the core of such games are still based on RPG elements.

Games like Drakensang would probably be the closest classical RPG with current gen graphics.

If graphics aren't a big deal, try some indie games like Knights of the Chalice or some such.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 13 avril 2011 - 02:01 .

[Tommy6860]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Age of Decadence and Dead State. Both are "classic" RPGs that were put out this year by the Indy scene. The graphics are on par with PS/PS2 graphics, which is still by today's standards... decent. But the gameplay, environment, and story are the most important qualities in games like those and within a few minutes you will be immersed in the games, by the end you will feel good about spending your time on those games.

I personally don't like Zombie survival games, but I would never say they cannot be RPGs. AoD isn't even released yet (supposed to be late this year), so I don't know how you rate it as if you have seemingly played it already. The only experience you can get from AoD is playing the combat demo, release not long ago. I did however, really enjoy Amnesia: The Dark Descent.

[Mecher3k]

Embargoed wrote...

Wow...

#10 is just ****ing absurd. I started agreeing with you somewhat until I read #10 and thought "Yeah, another so called PC Elitist. This thread is a pretty cool story."

Just because you don't like consoles doesn't mean that the hundreds of thousands of BioWare fans who bought DA2 on consoles should be shafted

Ahh so PC gamers can be shafted but not console players right?

I would of been playing DA:O since March 2009 had it not been for consoles, I would be playing a TRUE sequel to DA:O had it not been for consoles. Must I go on? PC gamers have been shafted more then enough to have you console players shafted once.

[Scimal]

wowpwnslol wrote...

1) A game with multiple dialogue options, not the lame "dialogue wheel" copied from that platform shooter mass effect

Multiple = More than 1.

Dialogue Wheel = 3.

3 > 1.

I don't see your problem.

2) A game that is actually difficult, not by virtue of monsters having a billion HP and absurd damage, spawning in waves out of nowhere, but by having smart AI, interesting abilities and responding to player's tactics.

Like Mass Effect. :-D

3) Stats that are incorporated into RPing - like STR being used for smashing doors/locks or intimidation, Charisma for persuasion, intellect for solving puzzles, dexterity for avoiding traps etc?

Cunning for picking locks, Dexterity into fighting ability, Magic into spell resistences! :-D

4) A LONG single player campaign with epic storyline, atmosphere, lots of interesting locations and properly developed companions. Story where choices you make MATTER and impact the game world in a meaningful way.

Yeah. Haven't had that since Baldur's Gate II. Wouldn't mind it back.

5) A proper inventory system with plenty of junk items that so upsets the "casual" gamer.

Now you're just being coy. /rowr

6) A game that rewards, tactical thinking and not spamming buttons in order for "something cool to happen"

Difficulty modes that force you to utilize resources differently. Changes to the behaviors of abilities that force you to utilize tactics you can't use in Normal play!

7) A freedom of stat/gear customization to build your character how you want without fear to confuse "casuals"

Stuff you find lying around that you can put on! Stat points that you put into stuff to make you better! Weapons and potions you can buy to increase your abilities!

8) Some frustrating elements to actually feel good when you accomplish something and not being handed everything on a silver platter, because the former option is not "fun" - no more healing to full instantly after every battle, make health potions limited in supply etc...

Insta-death spells that force you to reload from 6 hours ealier. Limited supply of Health Potions on higher difficulties!

9) Freedom to do things that might have irreversible consequences (such as killing crucial NPC or pissing off entire town, if you do something stupid)

Being able to %#!^block yourself because you didn't read a scrap of paper found on the villain's desk. Not being able to pick up some companions at all! Pissing off NPCs so they betray you!

10) A game not available for consoles

Screw the plebian masses! TO ARMS! TO ARMS!

[naughty99]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Correct. DnD rules define RPG gaming.

If that is the case for you, unfortunately there are not many "RPGs" in existence in this world.

Even when playing pen and paper RPGs back in the day, I found GURPS-based games less limiting than D&D mechanics, providing for some amazing campaigns, although I played AD&D as well. IMO what made for a great pen and paper campaign had a lot more to do with the storytelling ability of the GM rather than the specific set of rules in place. 

Among recent computer RPGs (using the more commonly used definition), Oblivion has a few of my favorite quests of all time out of any RPG. "Paranoia" and "Whodunit" are masterfully written quests that definitely invite the player to role play.

Also, I game on PC, as I don't own any consoles, and I agree with some of your points; however, I fail to understand why anyone would specifically desire that there to be no ports available for consoles.

Modifié par naughty99, 13 avril 2011 - 03:12 .

[Mantaal]

I think the Elder Scrolls will be good RPGs forever. They got anything the OP wants and more.

I was always more a fan of Bioware RPGs then Morrowind, Arena, Daggerfall...because of the Fighting and soloing part.
But they are very good RPGs too and offer almost everything a RPG player wants.
I dont think that will change with Skyrim.

Well the Witcher2.. i dont know. The witcher1 was very restricted and steamlined also. More Hack&slay-ish for my taste of a RPG. But still fun to play.

And for the Dungeons&Dragons posts. I really dont want to have a D&D Games with the new Rules. They are more dumbed down then DA2 in my opinion.

Modifié par Mantaal, 13 avril 2011 - 02:57 .

[Nozybidaj]

wowpwnslol wrote...
Will we ever see a classic RPG ever again?

Not from Bioware, no.  There are still however developers out there making games that meet some, most, and/or all of your criteria.  No need to worry. 

Edit:

wowpwnslol wrote...
Vegas isn't an RPG, what a preposterous notion, none of the Bethesda
games are. It's a shooter, with RPG elements. The "sand box" concept
serves well to mask the poor storyline, though.

Nevermind I thought you were being serious and all.  You obviously don't know what you are talking about.....

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 13 avril 2011 - 03:04 .

[scottelite]

stereotypicalconsolehate

[astrallite]

Ah, yet another apologist who thinks Ultima and Bioware = RPG. Everybody else is an insult and wannabe to the genre. You will get along wonderfully with AlanC9 and Sylvius The Mad.

Modifié par astrallite, 13 avril 2011 - 03:29 .

[brightblueink]

The longer I'm on these forums, the more I'm starting to think that "RPG" is useless as a genre indicator. Nobody actually agrees on what the term actually means, they just boil it down to "whatever I like."