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[Maria Caliban]

primero holodon wrote...

i think it's just a lyrium idol, and based off of bartrands particular brand of crazy it appears to carry the darkspawn corruption. I recall Tamlen mentioning singing after he was corrupted

All lyrium sings. It sings to dwarves and spirits.
The Archdemons sing to the darkspawn.
People are expected to sing to the Maker.

'Singing' has some significance in the setting, but it's not clear what it is.

[Wulfram]

A congealed demon.

[Teknor]

Wulfram wrote...

A congealed demon.

It is almost certain that there is no demon inside idol. I think it is just like radiation poisoning.

[graavigala85]

 red blop or tube. what ever it was it was dissapointing

[JesterPsychotica]

If I recall correctly, the sentient Broodmother from awakening also says that the "singing" stopped after she was made sentient and the fact that it stopped is what made her crazy. Bartrand also becomes desperate to hear "singing" again, and becomes destructive and commits acts of depravity and violence in hopes that it will appease this "voice".

I am wondering if the Lyrium Idol has some connection or is some kind of reciever/emitter ("radio") to the Archdemon's "hive mind".

Edit: with the connection to singing and Idols, I couldn't help but making "American Idol" jokes when thinking of the "Lyrium Idol".

Modifié par JesterPsychotica, 13 avril 2011 - 02:32 .

[Krilral]

Elessara wrote...

Are those statues technically golems though? Or just animated statues? I'm pretty sure there's a difference. Well obviously animated statues have no souls infusing them.

Just like undead can be raised without the need for souls.  

[AlexXIV]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Having played ME 1 and ME 2, my only hope is that the writers know what it is.

A piece of a derelict reaper?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 13 avril 2011 - 02:46 .

[Louis deGuerre]

 A gigantic plot hole is what it is.
The point that the Templar Knight Commander had a magic sword made gave me a headache.

I can't even recall if it was explained how the idol, whatever that was supposed to be, suddenly changed into a sword. Somehow, I doubt it was explained in the game.

[Lewie]

Also the ancient rock wraith and meredith had a similar kind of attack. It seemed to be in the profanes too. I just think it is a corrupted form of lyrium. Anders knowing how to use it i don't get, although a spirit of vengenace probably would.

[Rifneno]

Some factoids to consider:

• The Mother and Bartrand both rant about missing "the song."
• Lyrium alone is said to "sing."  At the last, dwarves and spirits can hear it.
• The hunger demon in the Primordial Thaig said that the rock wraiths, profane, eat lyrium.
• The Profane's codex is a report of a cryptic message scrawled on an ancient lost Thaig wall.  The writer, claiming to be profane, basically says they feasted upon the gods in an act of desperation.
• Bartrand claims the idol wanted to be worshipped.
• The idol had different effects on Bartrand and Meredith's minds.  This suggests it is either a sentient force or rather than leading its host to a particular breed of insanity it acts as an amplifer.
• When Varric gets the tiny shard in the quest Haunted, it seems to have a vastly negative impact on him.  If you let him keep it and talk later at the Hanged Man, he seems fine.  Whether this is plot armor or a clue to its workings is debatable.

The general idea I'm getting is that the idol is some sort of deity.  Perhaps all lyrium is somehow divine and this is simply a significant piece.  I also have to wonder if it isn't connected to the darkspawn somehow.  I would think that maybe idols like this are what they're using to create archdemons, but that theory falls flat because the darkspawn are actively avoiding the Primordial Thaig for some unknown reason.

[JesterPsychotica]

Rifneno wrote...

Some factoids to consider:

• The Mother and Bartrand both rant about missing "the song."
• Lyrium alone is said to "sing."  At the last, dwarves and spirits can hear it.
• The hunger demon in the Primordial Thaig said that the rock wraiths, profane, eat lyrium.
• The Profane's codex is a report of a cryptic message scrawled on an ancient lost Thaig wall.  The writer, claiming to be profane, basically says they feasted upon the gods in an act of desperation.
• Bartrand claims the idol wanted to be worshipped.
• The idol had different effects on Bartrand and Meredith's minds.  This suggests it is either a sentient force or rather than leading its host to a particular breed of insanity it acts as an amplifer.
• When Varric gets the tiny shard in the quest Haunted, it seems to have a vastly negative impact on him.  If you let him keep it and talk later at the Hanged Man, he seems fine.  Whether this is plot armor or a clue to its workings is debatable.

The general idea I'm getting is that the idol is some sort of deity.  Perhaps all lyrium is somehow divine and this is simply a significant piece.  I also have to wonder if it isn't connected to the darkspawn somehow.  I would think that maybe idols like this are what they're using to create archdemons, but that theory falls flat because the darkspawn are actively avoiding the Primordial Thaig for some unknown reason.

Didn't Bartrand's steward guy say that Bartrand was making his slaves eat Lyrium too? 

[AlexXIV]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

primero holodon wrote...

i think it's just a lyrium idol, and based off of bartrands particular brand of crazy it appears to carry the darkspawn corruption. I recall Tamlen mentioning singing after he was corrupted

All lyrium sings. It sings to dwarves and spirits.
The Archdemons sing to the darkspawn.
People are expected to sing to the Maker.

'Singing' has some significance in the setting, but it's not clear what it is.

I think you're on to something. Andraste was also revered for her singing, it's supposedly what got her noticed by the Maker. So maybe this "singing" and magic are somehow connected.

Little girls also sing. They may be connected as well.

[Nepenthe87]

I personally believe it was a creation of the ancient dwarfs. Maybe an item they created so they could use magic or something. Like a focus for the dwarfs to channel the raw power of lyrium into physical manifestations (i.e. spells/spell-like abilities). Maybe it got tainted by darkspawn corruption over time or the method of it's creation was sinister in nature and that's why it corrupts the people we see have it for a prolonged amount of time.

It makes sense to me that that is what it is. It obviously only affects dwarfs and people who have had lots of contact with lyrium (I.E. templars who are forced to use the stuff for resistance against magic) . the Dwarfs have lost a lot of their history and technological prowess over time and from the darkspawn; just like the elves lost their immortailty and magical potential over time and from humans. It doesn't seem that farfetched that the dwarfs once had the know-how to create powerful lyrium artifacts. Maybe sandal's savant ability to runecraft is just a natural yet unrefined talent the dwarfs once had a complete mastery over?

Modifié par Nepenthe87, 13 avril 2011 - 03:58 .

[AlexXIV]

PurebredCorn wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

primero holodon wrote...

i think it's just a lyrium idol, and based off of bartrands particular brand of crazy it appears to carry the darkspawn corruption. I recall Tamlen mentioning singing after he was corrupted

All lyrium sings. It sings to dwarves and spirits.
The Archdemons sing to the darkspawn.
People are expected to sing to the Maker.

'Singing' has some significance in the setting, but it's not clear what it is.

I think you're on to something. Andraste was also revered for her singing, it's supposedly what got her noticed by the Maker. So maybe this "singing" and magic are somehow connected.

Little girls also sing. They may be connected as well.

I don't like you.

That's what I get for trying to be helpful ...

[KSuri]

If you have Anders with you when you go to the Deep Roads he says something like, "Magic infused....and NOT the good kind."

I'm going to guess that whoever the dwarves were who dwelt in the primodial thaig, they knew something of magic and were using a combination of enchantment and craftsmanship to bind something to that idol. What that something was remains to be seen.

[In Exile]

I thought it was lyrium infused with the taint in some way (or rather, it is the magical conduit by which darkspawn magic is possible, because although DA:O didn't show it in the lore darkspawn don't use mana) which is what gave it the red glow, and why it was sorrounded by corrupted lyrium.

[88mphSlayer]

nobody knows which is why there should've been an act 4 that deals strictly with the idol and post civil war kirkwall

[The Angry One]

88mphSlayer wrote...

nobody knows which is why there should've been an act 4 that deals strictly with the idol and post civil war kirkwall

DLC

[In Exile]

88mphSlayer wrote...

nobody knows which is why there should've been an act 4 that deals strictly with the idol and post civil war kirkwall

No, you don't need Act IV. What Bioware should have done is expand Bartrand's quests from Varic as a find out what he did line that let you understand how the idol made him go bat**** nuts (and maybe make it something like, it draws out your negative traits; i.e. for Bartrand it made him draw out his greed). Then, when Meredith flips her ****, you can have the realization dawn on you.

[Johun]

In Exile wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

nobody knows which is why there should've been an act 4 that deals strictly with the idol and post civil war kirkwall

No, you don't need Act IV. What Bioware should have done is expand Bartrand's quests from Varic as a find out what he did line that let you understand how the idol made him go bat**** nuts (and maybe make it something like, it draws out your negative traits; i.e. for Bartrand it made him draw out his greed). Then, when Meredith flips her ****, you can have the realization dawn on you.

Drew out his greed? I don't think torturing jhis employees and making them eat lyrium is what I'd call greedy.

If you mean it made him abandon Varric and Hawke in the Primordial Thaig, I'm pretty sure he planned to do that long before he ever came in contact with the idol.

[Brockololly]

Maria Caliban wrote...

primero holodon wrote...

i think it's just a lyrium idol, and based off of bartrands particular brand of crazy it appears to carry the darkspawn corruption. I recall Tamlen mentioning singing after he was corrupted

All lyrium sings. It sings to dwarves and spirits.
The Archdemons sing to the darkspawn.
People are expected to sing to the Maker.

'Singing' has some significance in the setting, but it's not clear what it is.

Dragon Age 3 is a musical, with Kinect controlled dancing/combat sequences. Defeat Flemeth through the power of song and dance!

[In Exile]

Johun wrote...
Drew out his greed? I don't think torturing jhis employees and making them eat lyrium is what I'd call greedy.

If you mean it made him abandon Varric and Hawke in the Primordial Thaig, I'm pretty sure he planned to do that long before he ever came in contact with the idol.

Looking at it from your perspective I suppose it makes more sense, but that just makes the idol even more of a ridiculous plot device.