A Reaper artifact.
So what do you think the idol was?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:11
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In this picture we can see a figure/being with hallow eyes and something sticking out of it's head.
Take notice in this next picture, there is a skull on the side of the figure/being.There are circle's behind it which almost resembles an Eluvian.
It looks like the figure is "springing" out of the ground with lyrium or tendrils hanging underneath it.
Take notice in this next picture, there is a skull on the side of the figure/being.There are circle's behind it which almost resembles an Eluvian.
It looks like the figure is "springing" out of the ground with lyrium or tendrils hanging underneath it.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:44
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'If i know my morrigan the inevitable has occurred'. Not sure why that came to mind.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:51
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whats this about dwarves imprisoning dragons?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 03:25
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Because Hawk is already Barking mad, what! you think Varrick was joking about that? Think about what she got up to. Currently trying to play a sane Hawk and have to drop half the quests to do it.Wedger wrote...
Captmorgan72 - I had that almost exact same thought. Especially as it sings to Bartrand and Varric, much as the Archdemon/taint sings to the darkspawn and old Wardens. The Darkspawn/tainted were created when the Golden City was invaded... or so the Chantry teaches...
Wonder why Hawke was immune? Hawke touches the idol, but hears no song... and does not go mad
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 03:41
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The Enigma of Kirkwall codex pages imply that the rivers of blood and blood magic craziness was all subsequent to the breach of the Golden City, don't they? Certainly they're speculating that this is possibly a second effort, to reach what by then was the Black City.In Exile wrote...
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Dwarves did imprison dragons... maybe the abandoned Thaig ties more closely to the darkspawn tha we think? After all, the darkspawn burrowed to find an old god and the Blight hit the Deep Roads before exploding out of the ground.
If we ignore the Chantry for a moment, perhaps (like with the Flesh golems) the Imperium and dwarves teamed up to use blood-magic to breach the Golden City, and the abandoned Thaig tied into that, hence the corrupted lyrium.
Maybe they don't really know enought to fully distinguish though.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 05:10
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In reading this and similar posts, I think it might help to not focus on what kind of lyrium it was. As best I can tell, lyrium's forms and functions depend entirely on the knowledge and skill of the person working with it. As best we can tell, it can do damn near anything, short of gaining sentience.
I think the idol represents simply an incredibly sophisticated, lost application of lyrium-crafting, rather than the ancient dwarves finding "super lyrium" or anything.
And yet it does demonstrate seemingly sentient behavior, being able to demonstrate patience and discrimination. The idol can choose its hosts, and alter its form. With that in mind...
Couldn't the idol be a phylactery for some incredibly powerful entity? It might even be a collection of many powerful entities, seeing as how shards of it still seem to have will and power. Or perhaps it's like Flemeth -- each piece of it is just a weaker version of the main "mind". I think the idol as a container, rather than just "evil lyrium," makes a good amount of sense.
Of course, the question is, what's in there? An unknown, darkspawn-repelling Old God? A ridiculously powerful spirit? The Maker's housekeeper? Who knows.
Bonus speculation: If the idol were sentient, it seems implausible that Meredith would have been able to draw upon its power so fully that it shattered, seemingly destroying itself. It's possible Meredith was too strong a host for it to fully control. It did still seem to be calling out to Bartrand, who seemed fully subjugated by it. Even creepier, though, would be the idea the idol itself was only a fragment of a much larger, nastier idol, and the fragment Hawke found, for all its power, was still only sentient on a very basic level. It may not have had goals far beyond, "Find host, attune to 'singing' so it can find main idol."
Imagine how crazy a boss we might fight if the idol was only a tiny piece of the main thing. We'd go from Dragon Age to Dragon Ball...
I think the idol represents simply an incredibly sophisticated, lost application of lyrium-crafting, rather than the ancient dwarves finding "super lyrium" or anything.
And yet it does demonstrate seemingly sentient behavior, being able to demonstrate patience and discrimination. The idol can choose its hosts, and alter its form. With that in mind...
Couldn't the idol be a phylactery for some incredibly powerful entity? It might even be a collection of many powerful entities, seeing as how shards of it still seem to have will and power. Or perhaps it's like Flemeth -- each piece of it is just a weaker version of the main "mind". I think the idol as a container, rather than just "evil lyrium," makes a good amount of sense.
Of course, the question is, what's in there? An unknown, darkspawn-repelling Old God? A ridiculously powerful spirit? The Maker's housekeeper? Who knows.
Bonus speculation: If the idol were sentient, it seems implausible that Meredith would have been able to draw upon its power so fully that it shattered, seemingly destroying itself. It's possible Meredith was too strong a host for it to fully control. It did still seem to be calling out to Bartrand, who seemed fully subjugated by it. Even creepier, though, would be the idea the idol itself was only a fragment of a much larger, nastier idol, and the fragment Hawke found, for all its power, was still only sentient on a very basic level. It may not have had goals far beyond, "Find host, attune to 'singing' so it can find main idol."
Imagine how crazy a boss we might fight if the idol was only a tiny piece of the main thing. We'd go from Dragon Age to Dragon Ball...
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:24
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The idol is an Arc, and the last petrified remains of a dead race.
Once long ago, before the mortal world of Thaedas existed, there was the Fade... a nebulous place where ideas and concepts of all kinds could be formed... and there was The Maker who gathered those ideas and concepts together and bounded them by rules.
To you and I, this was the time of 1978, The Maker went by the name Gary Gygax, and the Golden City was Lake Geneva, Wisconsin.
Soon though, creativity was stiffled, as the demons of enterprise and profit margins crushed new ideas... as true creativity weakened a new sorcery was discovered.
The Magisters of old arose and created an insidious tool to create the appearance of creativity; a tool that even those with no creative bone in their body could use, a tool with bright pictures and icons that even an illiterate simpleton could use, and think himself a hero of Sword and Sorcery.
It was thus that the Magisters, known to you and I as the Wizards of the Coast created the trading card game, and the demons of profit, enterprise, and comercialism rejoyced as booster pack after booster pack was spat out upon the world. Soon the Magester's stormed the Golden City, crushing creativity, infecting the "Deep Roads" and the "Old Gods" with the Blight. The Blight of Thaedas is just a pale reflection of the true Blight that occurred accross the collective imagination known as the Fade.
The Wizards of the Coast, still full of pride over their victory blighting the Dungeons and Dragons, filling the dungeons of the Deep Roads with generic darkspawn and Archdemons... so filled with hubris were they, that they attempted to rewrite the word of The Maker, giving birth to the horror of 3rd edition... and they fell prey to the demons of enterprise, profit, and commercialism... they attempted to take their blighted creation and make of it a booster pack; and they called it 3.5.
Meanwhile, as the Magisters gloated and languished in their own decadence...the remains of what the Maker had wrought... fled the golden city and the vile Wizards of the Coast... they landed and hid themselves in strange new digital worlds... the Forgotten Realms destroyed, only rag-tag refugees from Baldurs Gate and Neverwinter survived and disguised themselves so that the Magisters would not recognize and destroy them.
It was thus, that the Elves, Human, and Dwarves made their way to Thaedas, fleeing the terrible destruction following behind them. Soon, even the long lost Half-Orc, was reborn in all his might in the guise of the Qunari.
The lyrium idol is the last pertified remnant of the race most abused by the Magisters and their ilk... destroyed entirely in a land of Dark Suns, made into pathological thieves, liars, and overeaters. They fought hard to regain what they lost; but even their Champion Steve Jackson could not help them regain their glory.
The Halflings, Hobbits, Kender... by whatever name you call them... the fossilized lyrium idol is the last remnant of this race... and a reminder of what has happend and what could happen still to all the races of Thaedas.
Look oh you upon the Halfling Idol...and think about the past and what The Maker had collected and wrought; then look yea upon the darkness risin once again... the demons of profit and entrprise... once again threaten the few last survivors of a once florishing reality, where world upon world were given bredth, depth, and life... worlds now silenced and dead, killed by stacks of copy-right law.
Once again the demons threaten. This time they wear nicer suits; and the weapons against crativity are terrible indeed bearing the mark of Madden and the National Football League. They whisper and seduce... why can't an RPG be rebooted every year with minor to no changes just like a sport game? Do you know how much we will make?
The lyrium idol, the last petrified Halfling, a race now extinct... reminds us why not... and the thought is enough to drive anyone mad... except Hawke, who seems unpurturbed by the gristly trophy of his EA masters. What is more disturbing, to be driven mad when one looks upon unspeakable carnage? or to feel nothing at all?
Once long ago, before the mortal world of Thaedas existed, there was the Fade... a nebulous place where ideas and concepts of all kinds could be formed... and there was The Maker who gathered those ideas and concepts together and bounded them by rules.
To you and I, this was the time of 1978, The Maker went by the name Gary Gygax, and the Golden City was Lake Geneva, Wisconsin.
Soon though, creativity was stiffled, as the demons of enterprise and profit margins crushed new ideas... as true creativity weakened a new sorcery was discovered.
The Magisters of old arose and created an insidious tool to create the appearance of creativity; a tool that even those with no creative bone in their body could use, a tool with bright pictures and icons that even an illiterate simpleton could use, and think himself a hero of Sword and Sorcery.
It was thus that the Magisters, known to you and I as the Wizards of the Coast created the trading card game, and the demons of profit, enterprise, and comercialism rejoyced as booster pack after booster pack was spat out upon the world. Soon the Magester's stormed the Golden City, crushing creativity, infecting the "Deep Roads" and the "Old Gods" with the Blight. The Blight of Thaedas is just a pale reflection of the true Blight that occurred accross the collective imagination known as the Fade.
The Wizards of the Coast, still full of pride over their victory blighting the Dungeons and Dragons, filling the dungeons of the Deep Roads with generic darkspawn and Archdemons... so filled with hubris were they, that they attempted to rewrite the word of The Maker, giving birth to the horror of 3rd edition... and they fell prey to the demons of enterprise, profit, and commercialism... they attempted to take their blighted creation and make of it a booster pack; and they called it 3.5.
Meanwhile, as the Magisters gloated and languished in their own decadence...the remains of what the Maker had wrought... fled the golden city and the vile Wizards of the Coast... they landed and hid themselves in strange new digital worlds... the Forgotten Realms destroyed, only rag-tag refugees from Baldurs Gate and Neverwinter survived and disguised themselves so that the Magisters would not recognize and destroy them.
It was thus, that the Elves, Human, and Dwarves made their way to Thaedas, fleeing the terrible destruction following behind them. Soon, even the long lost Half-Orc, was reborn in all his might in the guise of the Qunari.
The lyrium idol is the last pertified remnant of the race most abused by the Magisters and their ilk... destroyed entirely in a land of Dark Suns, made into pathological thieves, liars, and overeaters. They fought hard to regain what they lost; but even their Champion Steve Jackson could not help them regain their glory.
The Halflings, Hobbits, Kender... by whatever name you call them... the fossilized lyrium idol is the last remnant of this race... and a reminder of what has happend and what could happen still to all the races of Thaedas.
Look oh you upon the Halfling Idol...and think about the past and what The Maker had collected and wrought; then look yea upon the darkness risin once again... the demons of profit and entrprise... once again threaten the few last survivors of a once florishing reality, where world upon world were given bredth, depth, and life... worlds now silenced and dead, killed by stacks of copy-right law.
Once again the demons threaten. This time they wear nicer suits; and the weapons against crativity are terrible indeed bearing the mark of Madden and the National Football League. They whisper and seduce... why can't an RPG be rebooted every year with minor to no changes just like a sport game? Do you know how much we will make?
The lyrium idol, the last petrified Halfling, a race now extinct... reminds us why not... and the thought is enough to drive anyone mad... except Hawke, who seems unpurturbed by the gristly trophy of his EA masters. What is more disturbing, to be driven mad when one looks upon unspeakable carnage? or to feel nothing at all?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:47
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Alyka wrote...
In this picture we can see a figure/being with hallow eyes and something sticking out of it's head.
Take notice in this next picture, there is a skull on the side of the figure/being.There are circle's behind it which almost resembles an Eluvian.
It looks like the figure is "springing" out of the ground with lyrium or tendrils hanging underneath it.
And what a scary looking hollow eyed creature that is. What could it possibly be. A darkspawn? A desire demon? Flemeth without her makeup on?
I wish I had a real life model of the idol in my hands, so I could scrutinize it and turn it over and look at it and shake it and then ask it philosophical questions.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:32
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My theory is that the idol is not sentient or a God. I think its just a very particular sort of lyrium refined a very particular way.
I don't think the important thing is the idol itself but, its origin. We know that the ancient Tevinter Imperium worshiped the Old Gods. We also are told that the Maker imprisoned the Old Gods under the earth and that their minds roamed the fade and taught the Magisters magic in the hopes they would find them and free them.
Another piece of the puzzle is the Eluvian. We know Tevinter Magisters had access to these artifacts even though they didn't know how to use them for anything more than communication.
It makes sense then that Tevinter would attempt to reach the Old Gods. We see evidence of this in Amgarrak. I think that the Imperium tried to use the Eluvian to reach the Golden City (and perhaps succeeded) and that something similar to the idol was used in order to open the portal.
Perhaps this thing was another idol or simply that type of lyrium. Then, I find it easier to believe that it was the "idol" not the "hubris of man" that corrupted the Golden City and created the taint (wether by corrupting a powerful spirit or the fade itself).
Maybe the Magisters found something in the Golden City that allowed them to reach or find the Old Gods and brought it back to Thedas from the fade. This is merely speculation but, it might be the taint itself or the thing that causes it. (Remember, with enough lyrium you can send someone to the fade, with enough of this type of lyrium could you bring something from the fade back?)
The corrupted Magisters, now the first Darkspawn succeeded in their quest to find the first Old God, Dumat and gave him the taint, thus unleashing the First Blight to the world.
Following that thought, it makes sense why, for the Dwarves, there was no such thing as Darkspawn and then suddenly...
If what I said above is the case, the first Darkspawn would have been too little in number to compose the Horde that ravaged the land in the first blight. So they slowly took over the deep roads, capturing dwarven women and creating broodmothers to bolster their ranks.
We know the dwarves stood their ground for a while but were overwhelmed. This makes sense seeing how every Thaig that fell basically became another potential breeding ground for Darkspawn. And eventually, the horde became what it is.
Again merely speculation but, it makes sense to me :happy:... thoughts?
I don't think the important thing is the idol itself but, its origin. We know that the ancient Tevinter Imperium worshiped the Old Gods. We also are told that the Maker imprisoned the Old Gods under the earth and that their minds roamed the fade and taught the Magisters magic in the hopes they would find them and free them.
Another piece of the puzzle is the Eluvian. We know Tevinter Magisters had access to these artifacts even though they didn't know how to use them for anything more than communication.
It makes sense then that Tevinter would attempt to reach the Old Gods. We see evidence of this in Amgarrak. I think that the Imperium tried to use the Eluvian to reach the Golden City (and perhaps succeeded) and that something similar to the idol was used in order to open the portal.
Perhaps this thing was another idol or simply that type of lyrium. Then, I find it easier to believe that it was the "idol" not the "hubris of man" that corrupted the Golden City and created the taint (wether by corrupting a powerful spirit or the fade itself).
Maybe the Magisters found something in the Golden City that allowed them to reach or find the Old Gods and brought it back to Thedas from the fade. This is merely speculation but, it might be the taint itself or the thing that causes it. (Remember, with enough lyrium you can send someone to the fade, with enough of this type of lyrium could you bring something from the fade back?)
The corrupted Magisters, now the first Darkspawn succeeded in their quest to find the first Old God, Dumat and gave him the taint, thus unleashing the First Blight to the world.
Following that thought, it makes sense why, for the Dwarves, there was no such thing as Darkspawn and then suddenly...
If what I said above is the case, the first Darkspawn would have been too little in number to compose the Horde that ravaged the land in the first blight. So they slowly took over the deep roads, capturing dwarven women and creating broodmothers to bolster their ranks.
We know the dwarves stood their ground for a while but were overwhelmed. This makes sense seeing how every Thaig that fell basically became another potential breeding ground for Darkspawn. And eventually, the horde became what it is.
Again merely speculation but, it makes sense to me :happy:... thoughts?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:46
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ColdEnd wrote...
the Golden City was Lake Geneva, Wisconsin.
Cool, I live five miles from the Golden City.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:18
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i thought about the idol with the codec story about an old tieg And just one day out of the blue they just closed the doors . And when someone dared opened the door after not hearing from the dwarf within for so long. Only to find not a soul to be found. I think those dwarfs WERE the ones able to use magic long ago . And maybe they were experimenting with a strong magic/spell and it drew all the dwarfs and trapped them inside of it. And being trapped for so long it might of made them extreamly angry/evil.
ps. I also believe that sandel is one of these dwarfs that can still use magic of old. I also think he is more powerful then we know. Maybe even so powerful that he could put flemith to shame.
ps. I also believe that sandel is one of these dwarfs that can still use magic of old. I also think he is more powerful then we know. Maybe even so powerful that he could put flemith to shame.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 11:17
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So... regular lyrium sings to spirits, corrupted lyrium sings to dwarves, old god essence sings to darkspawn.
Wild theory what if the idol cuases a new form of blight, VARRIC, becomes an archdwarf and leads the dwarven horde to march upon the surface of thedas and claim what was truly theirs, not the elves, the dwarves.....
really i think the idol is possibly of elven/dwarven origin, we know that elves were given shelter by dwarves, Maybe some elves and dwarves got it on and had some knife eared rocks that needed to be dipped in lava every day.
Perhaps the union of elves and dwarves was seen as innapropriate by the shaperate and they were all banished into the deep roads. Here they wandered and soon began to carve their own place into the stone.Discovering a vast resorvoir of lyrium the elfdwarf's made themselves a homeabove the pools of luminescence that sung to them. They began crafting an idol of pure lyrium, a trubute to their ancestors and the elven pantheon.
But alas the tevinter magisters hunted down the elves and slaughtered them and their freakishly weird dwarven children, thus staining the stone with blood, weakening the veil and imprisoning the spirits of the dead in the idol that was crafted, and in the stone itself. Thus transforming the thaig into a lair of the profane, and the idol into a weird looking thing that animates inanimate objects using the souls of the elfdwarf's imprisoned eons ago.
This is likely not even possible, but it felt good to vent.
Wild theory what if the idol cuases a new form of blight, VARRIC, becomes an archdwarf and leads the dwarven horde to march upon the surface of thedas and claim what was truly theirs, not the elves, the dwarves.....
really i think the idol is possibly of elven/dwarven origin, we know that elves were given shelter by dwarves, Maybe some elves and dwarves got it on and had some knife eared rocks that needed to be dipped in lava every day.
Perhaps the union of elves and dwarves was seen as innapropriate by the shaperate and they were all banished into the deep roads. Here they wandered and soon began to carve their own place into the stone.Discovering a vast resorvoir of lyrium the elfdwarf's made themselves a homeabove the pools of luminescence that sung to them. They began crafting an idol of pure lyrium, a trubute to their ancestors and the elven pantheon.
But alas the tevinter magisters hunted down the elves and slaughtered them and their freakishly weird dwarven children, thus staining the stone with blood, weakening the veil and imprisoning the spirits of the dead in the idol that was crafted, and in the stone itself. Thus transforming the thaig into a lair of the profane, and the idol into a weird looking thing that animates inanimate objects using the souls of the elfdwarf's imprisoned eons ago.
This is likely not even possible, but it felt good to vent.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 11:21
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A Reaper relic, of course.
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It seems clear to me that Kirkwall, and everything happening in it is linked to that Lyrium and the primeval Thaig.
The Tevinter Imperium set out Kirkwall in a pattern, a pattern of streets to create vast runes. (rather like the M25 round London is set in the pattern of the great destroyer). The Tevinter Imperium had a lot of interest in Kirkwall and did a lot of dodgy things.
The bonepit as a breeding ground for Dragons? or were the dragons already there?
Massacres of slaves to feed the dragon breeding pit.
You have demons bound in the city itself.
It could be possible that its all the fault of the Tevinter Imperium there massive atrocities and designs bleeding into the bedrock under the city. I am tempted to think its the other way round.
Whatever was there already in Kirkwall has been changing the people of Kirkwall throughout the ages.
The Tevinter plans are there to tap a power in that location, or maybe reveal it.
The amount of Mages going crazy in Kirkwall and becoming blood mages speaks of a rot at the heart of it all. The veil is thin in and around Kirkwall because of everything that has happened there.
Were the Tevinter runes in the designs of the city there to protect, or enhance the power inherent in that location. That the Lyrium is 'corrupted' is it the source or is rather a symptom. I would suspect that the Idol is not even the major problem, it is just something that has been created by the insanity and the madness that exists under Kirkwall.
Hence the closing of the Thaig, hence the Tevinter interest in the city, hence the attrocities over time, and the fact that every mage you meet is bat**** crazy and ready to sign their soul away for blood magic. Except for Hawke Mage, who for some reason is immune...
Theres something under Kirkwall, and I would love to know what it is!
The Tevinter Imperium set out Kirkwall in a pattern, a pattern of streets to create vast runes. (rather like the M25 round London is set in the pattern of the great destroyer). The Tevinter Imperium had a lot of interest in Kirkwall and did a lot of dodgy things.
The bonepit as a breeding ground for Dragons? or were the dragons already there?
Massacres of slaves to feed the dragon breeding pit.
You have demons bound in the city itself.
It could be possible that its all the fault of the Tevinter Imperium there massive atrocities and designs bleeding into the bedrock under the city. I am tempted to think its the other way round.
Whatever was there already in Kirkwall has been changing the people of Kirkwall throughout the ages.
The Tevinter plans are there to tap a power in that location, or maybe reveal it.
The amount of Mages going crazy in Kirkwall and becoming blood mages speaks of a rot at the heart of it all. The veil is thin in and around Kirkwall because of everything that has happened there.
Were the Tevinter runes in the designs of the city there to protect, or enhance the power inherent in that location. That the Lyrium is 'corrupted' is it the source or is rather a symptom. I would suspect that the Idol is not even the major problem, it is just something that has been created by the insanity and the madness that exists under Kirkwall.
Hence the closing of the Thaig, hence the Tevinter interest in the city, hence the attrocities over time, and the fact that every mage you meet is bat**** crazy and ready to sign their soul away for blood magic. Except for Hawke Mage, who for some reason is immune...
Theres something under Kirkwall, and I would love to know what it is!
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:03
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The goddess figure the idol resembles looks a little like Meredith when she was petrified. It even has the spire on the head.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:57
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Don't forget: there is that Pride Demon living in the ruins next to Anders' clinic.Allattar1 wrote...
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Theres something under Kirkwall, and I would love to know what it is!
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Obadiah wrote...
Don't forget: there is that Pride Demon living in the ruins next to Anders' clinic.Allattar1 wrote...
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Theres something under Kirkwall, and I would love to know what it is!
I would hope that the whole of Kirkwalls mystery is not to be explained by one Pride demon hiding out.
Rather that it is another of the symptoms.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 04:35
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Probably. Thin viel, crazy blood mages, and what-not brings about Pride Demon, which in turn exacerbates the situation.Allattar1 wrote...
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I would hope that the whole of Kirkwalls mystery is not to be explained by one Pride demon hiding out.
Rather that it is another of the symptoms.
Creepy.Blacklash93 wrote...
The goddess figure the idol resembles looks a little like Meredith when she was petrified. It even has the spire on the head.
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Blacklash93 wrote...
The goddess figure the idol resembles looks a little like Meredith when she was petrified. It even has the spire on the head.
Yeah I'd wondered if the idol was a victim caught mid-scream or a petrified person. But my next thought was "Bah, too small." Still with a petrified meredith, a mystery about dwarves being cut off from the fade and nexus golem talking about tapping blood in the stone...yeah, I can't figure it out.
Well, I know Gaider's trying to hurt me. But I'm not falling for it. I'm gonna go watch TV.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 07:03
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Meredith's crown thing is the same as Flemeth's, so it could be a figure of her doing something.
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My only contribution to this would be to reiterate that what little information we already have about some of these things (The Enigma of Kirkwall codex pages) suggests that the Golden City was already black when much of the creepiness of Kirkwall was taking place. Maybe that's not correct, but until we have some other info that suggests otherwise, it seems like we should be assuming the Black City had already replaced the Golden City when the veil was damaged in Kirkwall.ForeignPatriot wrote...
My theory is that the idol is not sentient or a God. I think its just a very particular sort of lyrium refined a very particular way. I don't think the important thing is the idol itself but, its origin. We know that the ancient Tevinter Imperium worshiped the Old Gods. We also are told that the Maker imprisoned the Old Gods under the earth and that their minds roamed the fade and taught the Magisters magic in the hopes they would find them and free them.
Another piece of the puzzle is the Eluvian. We know Tevinter Magisters had access to these artifacts even though they didn't know how to use them for anything more than communication.
It makes sense then that Tevinter would attempt to reach the Old Gods. We see evidence of this in Amgarrak. I think that the Imperium tried to use the Eluvian to reach the Golden City (and perhaps succeeded) and that something similar to the idol was used in order to open the portal.
Perhaps this thing was another idol or simply that type of lyrium. Then, I find it easier to believe that it was the "idol" not the "hubris of man" that corrupted the Golden City and created the taint (wether by corrupting a powerful spirit or the fade itself).
Maybe the Magisters found something in the Golden City that allowed them to reach or find the Old Gods and brought it back to Thedas from the fade. This is merely speculation but, it might be the taint itself or the thing that causes it. (Remember, with enough lyrium you can send someone to the fade, with enough of this type of lyrium could you bring something from the fade back?)
The corrupted Magisters, now the first Darkspawn succeeded in their quest to find the first Old God, Dumat and gave him the taint, thus unleashing the First Blight to the world.
Following that thought, it makes sense why, for the Dwarves, there was no such thing as Darkspawn and then suddenly...
If what I said above is the case, the first Darkspawn would have been too little in number to compose the Horde that ravaged the land in the first blight. So they slowly took over the deep roads, capturing dwarven women and creating broodmothers to bolster their ranks.
We know the dwarves stood their ground for a while but were overwhelmed. This makes sense seeing how every Thaig that fell basically became another potential breeding ground for Darkspawn. And eventually, the horde became what it is.
Again merely speculation but, it makes sense to me :happy:... thoughts?
Of course, the veil could have been damaged multiple times. And whether or not this affects our perception of the idol is not so clear.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 11:05
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I highly doubt it's Hubris, considering you find out about the creature or whatever the Tevinters were messing with beneath Kirkwall right before the game ends.Obadiah wrote...
Don't forget: there is that Pride Demon living in the ruins next to Anders' clinic.Allattar1 wrote...
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Theres something under Kirkwall, and I would love to know what it is!
The Forgotten Ones are mentioned and people seem to think there's no significance to that at all.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 11:59
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I'm just finishing off the Deep Roads Expedition portion of my nightmare run, upon collecting my loot from the chest at the end, I noticed a couple glowing red idols admist the coins and such. Maybe Hawke and Varric ended up spreading around more of the stuff than has been let on. Or it's just flavor 
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Posté 15 avril 2011 - 01:51
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The idol is a powerful relic, I think intricately tied to the story of the darkspawn. The shape of the initial idol looks suspiciously like one of the darkspawn - resembling the Architect or an emissary. It's always been my theory, after playing through DA2, that the thaig you encounter down there is actually an old ruin of the Tevinter Imperium.
Bartrand mentions it himself. That is no dwarven thaig. There are no statues of paragons or other signs that it belonged to the dwarves. Also, recall those strange rock-wraith creatures that you run into. I think those were the result of more experimentation with magic. It's been my theory that the mages of the Tevinter Imperium created the darkspawn, perhaps by mistake...
I think the Chantry's explanation of the darkspawn is less literal than they'd have us believe. I believe that the Imperium sought to "enter the Golden City" by basically stepping into God's realm. They wanted to create life, or perhaps do something similar in scope like what Quintin tried to do with your mother and revive someone. This brought about the creation of the darkspawn, a magical experiment or ritual that had gone terribly horribly wrong.
Bartrand mentions it himself. That is no dwarven thaig. There are no statues of paragons or other signs that it belonged to the dwarves. Also, recall those strange rock-wraith creatures that you run into. I think those were the result of more experimentation with magic. It's been my theory that the mages of the Tevinter Imperium created the darkspawn, perhaps by mistake...
I think the Chantry's explanation of the darkspawn is less literal than they'd have us believe. I believe that the Imperium sought to "enter the Golden City" by basically stepping into God's realm. They wanted to create life, or perhaps do something similar in scope like what Quintin tried to do with your mother and revive someone. This brought about the creation of the darkspawn, a magical experiment or ritual that had gone terribly horribly wrong.
