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Taylor Swift plays these kind of games.
Just what kind of women play these games anyway?
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#102
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:22
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In ME and DA2 IMO the performances by the actors playing FemHawke and FemShep are incredibly engaging and much more fun than the male voice actor performances.
Agreed!
The female performances feel much more subtle, and thus, more real.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:31
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Women typically play games that they think are "hip, cute or trendy."
For example, they'll play Portal because "LIKE OMG!!! I LOVE THE ENDING SONG STILL ALIVE!!!!"
Or they'll play World of Warcraft but rather than actually play it they'll create a blood elf and pretend to be a hawt gurl in real life in order to win the adoration and attention of nerds across the country. She'll usually talk in general about how her boyfriend treats her badly but she can't leave him because she loves him to death in order to get as much sympathy and be in the center of attention as much as possible.
They also like the Sims since they can buy a lot of cool stuff.
They also play Kinect because "LIKE OMG! YOU DON'T NEED A CONTROLLER! LOLZ!"
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
For example, they'll play Portal because "LIKE OMG!!! I LOVE THE ENDING SONG STILL ALIVE!!!!"
Or they'll play World of Warcraft but rather than actually play it they'll create a blood elf and pretend to be a hawt gurl in real life in order to win the adoration and attention of nerds across the country. She'll usually talk in general about how her boyfriend treats her badly but she can't leave him because she loves him to death in order to get as much sympathy and be in the center of attention as much as possible.
They also like the Sims since they can buy a lot of cool stuff.
They also play Kinect because "LIKE OMG! YOU DON'T NEED A CONTROLLER! LOLZ!"
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:39
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...wow. I really hope you're not serious.Turnip Root wrote...
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:42
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jellobell wrote...
...wow. I really hope you're not serious.Turnip Root wrote...
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
Well, there are some exceptions of course.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:44
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Turnip Root wrote...
Women typically play games that they think are "hip, cute or trendy."
For example, they'll play Portal because "LIKE OMG!!! I LOVE THE ENDING SONG STILL ALIVE!!!!"
Or they'll play World of Warcraft but rather than actually play it they'll create a blood elf and pretend to be a hawt gurl in real life in order to win the adoration and attention of nerds across the country. She'll usually talk in general about how her boyfriend treats her badly but she can't leave him because she loves him to death.
They also like the Sims since they can buy a lot of cool stuff.
They also play Kinect because "LIKE OMG! YOU DON'T NEED A CONTROLLER! LOLZ!"
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
Good to know. I will endeavour to repent and do such things. Ought I to giggle inanely? Is wearing heels and makeup required as well?
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:46
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Many interesting points have been made here. Unfortunately I'm too tired to address them all, so I try to make it short.
I'm a woman and I play videogames for almost twenty years now. My first game was 'The Secret of Monkey Island' and I had a hard time to talk my father into buying this game. He thought video games would 'corrupt' the young. Anyway, I loved the game and adventures are my favourite genre ever since.
Others have pointed out that, based on this thread, women prefer female main characters. While I believe this is true for role-playing games, I'd like to comment that you usually don't get such a choice to make when playing an adventure game. And I can only speak for myself here, but it doesn't bother me, that Guybrush Threapwood, who wants to be a mighty pirate, is a man. Come to think of it, I would say that there are equally male and female main characters in adventure games.
However, I agree that I'm more comfortable with female main characters in roleplaying-games. I lay the blame on the 'roleplaying aspect' here.
Well, then the whole discussion of who should be on the box of a video game made me wonder why I bought "The Witcher". So I dug up my copy to have a look at it: It's a steelbook. The picture on the front looks like the face of a wolf. On the back, well, there's Geralt. He doesn't look very appealing. Underneath Geralt there are three screenshots with a little bit of text. What drew my attention was the following: "An 'adult' fantasy-story with over 80 hours of none-linear roleplaying." That was the reason I bought it. That, and the fact that the soundtrack and bonus material were included.
What I'm trying to say is, that for me it's more important what's inside a DVD box and not so much who's face it is on the outside.
In addition, I occasionally write reviews for a small web page and I'd say that roughly 60 % of the editors are male, 40 % are female. And they all love games. Just to add my two cents here
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I'm a woman and I play videogames for almost twenty years now. My first game was 'The Secret of Monkey Island' and I had a hard time to talk my father into buying this game. He thought video games would 'corrupt' the young. Anyway, I loved the game and adventures are my favourite genre ever since.
Others have pointed out that, based on this thread, women prefer female main characters. While I believe this is true for role-playing games, I'd like to comment that you usually don't get such a choice to make when playing an adventure game. And I can only speak for myself here, but it doesn't bother me, that Guybrush Threapwood, who wants to be a mighty pirate, is a man. Come to think of it, I would say that there are equally male and female main characters in adventure games.
However, I agree that I'm more comfortable with female main characters in roleplaying-games. I lay the blame on the 'roleplaying aspect' here.
Well, then the whole discussion of who should be on the box of a video game made me wonder why I bought "The Witcher". So I dug up my copy to have a look at it: It's a steelbook. The picture on the front looks like the face of a wolf. On the back, well, there's Geralt. He doesn't look very appealing. Underneath Geralt there are three screenshots with a little bit of text. What drew my attention was the following: "An 'adult' fantasy-story with over 80 hours of none-linear roleplaying." That was the reason I bought it. That, and the fact that the soundtrack and bonus material were included.
What I'm trying to say is, that for me it's more important what's inside a DVD box and not so much who's face it is on the outside.
In addition, I occasionally write reviews for a small web page and I'd say that roughly 60 % of the editors are male, 40 % are female. And they all love games. Just to add my two cents here
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#108
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:49
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mousestalker wrote...
Turnip Root wrote...
Women typically play games that they think are "hip, cute or trendy."
For example, they'll play Portal because "LIKE OMG!!! I LOVE THE ENDING SONG STILL ALIVE!!!!"
Or they'll play World of Warcraft but rather than actually play it they'll create a blood elf and pretend to be a hawt gurl in real life in order to win the adoration and attention of nerds across the country. She'll usually talk in general about how her boyfriend treats her badly but she can't leave him because she loves him to death.
They also like the Sims since they can buy a lot of cool stuff.
They also play Kinect because "LIKE OMG! YOU DON'T NEED A CONTROLLER! LOLZ!"
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
Good to know. I will endeavour to repent and do such things. Ought I to giggle inanely? Is wearing heels and makeup required as well?
Yes. But the giggling has to be cute and airheaded. And you have to blush a lot and twist your hair around your finger.
The only person I know who talked about their femininity repeatedly on World of Warcraft was a guy friend of mine who wanted people to send him gold or help him out or be nice to him. Turnip Root, darling, I think we need to have a serious discussion about these so-called-women that you're encountering in World of Warcraft! We don't want you to be taken advantage of.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:50
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No way do I play World of Warcraft.
I play men's games like Crysis 2, Gears of War, and Renegade Shepard on Mass Effect 2.
I play men's games like Crysis 2, Gears of War, and Renegade Shepard on Mass Effect 2.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:58
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Turnip Root wrote...
Women typically play games that they think are "hip, cute or trendy."
For example, they'll play Portal because "LIKE OMG!!! I LOVE THE ENDING SONG STILL ALIVE!!!!"
Or they'll play World of Warcraft but rather than actually play it they'll create a blood elf and pretend to be a hawt gurl in real life in order to win the adoration and attention of nerds across the country. She'll usually talk in general about how her boyfriend treats her badly but she can't leave him because she loves him to death in order to get as much sympathy and be in the center of attention as much as possible.
They also like the Sims since they can buy a lot of cool stuff.
They also play Kinect because "LIKE OMG! YOU DON'T NEED A CONTROLLER! LOLZ!"
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
Hey my sisters! Heed the clarion call to counter this manifesto with negative and inaccurate stereotypes of the Straight Male Gamer!
Or, you know, not. This kind of thing is its own rebuttal.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 12:59
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jellobell wrote...
...wow. I really hope you're not serious.Turnip Root wrote...
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
This.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:08
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Caja wrote...
jellobell wrote...
...wow. I really hope you're not serious.Turnip Root wrote...
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
This.
lol, hate to admit but that sounds alot like me
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:39
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jellobell wrote...
...wow. I really hope you're not serious.Turnip Root wrote...
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
I assume he's trolling. Otherwise, fail.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:41
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Caja wrote...
My first game was 'The Secret of Monkey Island' .
Still one of the best games ever.
To this day, I still say, "Look behind you...a three-headed monkey!" to someone at least once a month. You'd be surprised how many people actually turn and look behind them, when I say that.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:49
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kglaser wrote...
Caja wrote...
My first game was 'The Secret of Monkey Island' .
Still one of the best games ever.
To this day, I still say, "Look behind you...a three-headed monkey!" to someone at least once a month. You'd be surprised how many people actually turn and look behind them, when I say that.
Guybrush: I’m looking for 30 dead guys and one woman.
Cannibal: I don’t think I want to hear any more about it.
bwwhaha best game ever
sorry OT couldnt help myself though
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:49
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Well that other guy seemed perfectly serious when he was blaming gay men for the body image problems of all the women in the world, so I'm not sure what to believe anymore.kglaser wrote...
jellobell wrote...
...wow. I really hope you're not serious.Turnip Root wrote...
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
I assume he's trolling. Otherwise, fail.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:52
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Turnip Root wrote...
Women typically play games that they think are "hip, cute or trendy."
For example, they'll play Portal because "LIKE OMG!!! I LOVE THE ENDING SONG STILL ALIVE!!!!"
Or they'll play World of Warcraft but rather than actually play it they'll create a blood elf and pretend to be a hawt gurl in real life in order to win the adoration and attention of nerds across the country. She'll usually talk in general about how her boyfriend treats her badly but she can't leave him because she loves him to death in order to get as much sympathy and be in the center of attention as much as possible.
They also like the Sims since they can buy a lot of cool stuff.
They also play Kinect because "LIKE OMG! YOU DON'T NEED A CONTROLLER! LOLZ!"
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
Someone was burned.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:53
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jellobell wrote...
Well that other guy seemed perfectly serious when he was blaming gay men for the body image problems of all the women in the world, so I'm not sure what to believe anymore.kglaser wrote...
jellobell wrote...
...wow. I really hope you're not serious.Turnip Root wrote...
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
I assume he's trolling. Otherwise, fail.
I think it's pretty clear what's going on. Some people just have a tougher time with the demands of middle school than others.
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:55
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Removed because it just isn't worth it. LOL
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 01:57
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Eradyn wrote...
Someone was burned.
--BINGO!!!!
:lol:--Give that gamer girl a cigar
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 02:00
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Siansonea II wrote...
jellobell wrote...
Well that other guy seemed perfectly serious when he was blaming gay men for the body image problems of all the women in the world, so I'm not sure what to believe anymore.kglaser wrote...
jellobell wrote...
...wow. I really hope you're not serious.Turnip Root wrote...
In short, the games that appeal to women are the games that let them do the things they enjoy doing in real life. Getting attention, shopping, talking about themselves, and acting cute.
I assume he's trolling. Otherwise, fail.
I think it's pretty clear what's going on. Some people just have a tougher time with the demands of middle school than others.
Eh. There's no good reason to belittle someone, even if they are wrong.
I just feel bad for the OP's daughters. I don't think he realizes that he's going to be influencing them through his beliefs and expectations about what women are and aren't capable of.
I'm willing to acknowledge that women might have a different baseline than men, but we're all ultimately capable of the same stuff. I might have to work out more to be able to bench press 250 lbs or something, but my body would still be capable of reaching that point. But I think it's more reliant on the individual than gender, like the argument seems to be made at some points.
Turnip's almost certainly trolling. So, as a free gift, have a video, everyone. Somewhat related to topic, too!
www.youtube.com/watch
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 02:04
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I laughed for a whole minute. Got the taste of Troll out of my mouth. Thank you. <3Silveryne wrote...
Turnip's almost certainly trolling. So, as a free gift, have a video, everyone. Somewhat related to topic, too!
www.youtube.com/watch
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 02:12
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Omg! like omg! someone psychoanalyze me... 
Everybody's has different tastes
Everybody's has different tastes
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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 04:55
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[quote]Silveryne wrote...
I am being specific. It is not "gay" men that enforce cultural norms in our society. Gay men are, believe it or not, a minority.[/quote]
Whether they are a minority or not is irrelevent. The fact is, that gay men are overrepresented in the Fashion Industry. Many of the lead designers are gay, including designers like Tom Ford, Versace (when he was alive), Karl Lagerfeld, Dolce and Gabbana......need I go on?
Basically, you have no idea what you're talking about.. Many of the top male designers are gay or bisexual, thats a fact.
[quote]What you think are attractive -- T&A, if your voluptuous women comment is any indicator -- is what the majority of men -- we'll call 'em "men" for short -- think is attractive. You like curvy women, which suggests you do not like morbidly obese women. I think morbidly obese women are fine to live how they want and are beautiful in ways that "voluptuous" women are not.[/quote]
Morbidly obese women (and men) disgust me. Unless they have a medical disorder, many of them achieved that state through sheer gluttony and laziness. They also impose upon themselves severe health risks through their lifestyle and eating habits.
[quote]Let's face it: men like you decide what is attractive in this culture and what isn't. To put it on gay men is laughably wrong. To claim the fashion industry is run by gay men is also probably laughably wrong.[/quote]
You are completely ignorant of the fashion industry, but perhaps I'm being too hard on you.. You see, I used to model myself at one time, so I'm aware of what goes on behind the scenes so to speak.
[quote]Okay? Skinny just means not much fat mass. There can be muscle mass on a woman. Most men do not find fat mass beyond T&A to be attractive. How do we know? Because of countless boyfriends teasing about love handles, or double chins, or little annoying things like that that you see every day. Articles posted on websites: "How to encourage your girlfriend to go to the gym!" Which was an actual article one of my friends showed me once. Gotta love people.[/quote]
You find articles like that offensive? No wonder we're having problems..
Going to the gym is a GOOD thing. If my loved ones were gaining excessive weight that I knew would eventually put their health at risks, then I would certainly encourage them to go to the gym and start eating healthily.
Open your eyes. The U.S and other developed countries have health care costs which consume almost 20% of our GDP, especially due to various lifestyle diseases like Diabetes Type II, heart disease, high blood pressure etc which can be completely avoidable if you take care of yourself..
I find your nonchalant attitude over this to be alarming in and of itself.. Things like this have severe consequences for all of us when it gets out of hand, but you seem to think that it's OK if people stuff their faces to the point where they can barely even move.. You seem to even think that it's beautiful in it's own way
[quote]It does, actually. Look at martial artists (I know a young woman, short, lean, who can flip two 280 lb guys over at the same time.[/quote]
Right, because flipping someone and lifting them are the exact same thing
Tell her to lift two 280lbs guys at the same time if she wants to really impress..
[quote]Apparently she can't, though, because that requires a lot of strength Must be ancient sith magicks!). Look at gymnasts. Do they have a lot of physical muscle mass? Not really, they're what we'd consider "lean". Not "ripped".[/quote]
Gymnasts only need to be strong enough to lift their own body weight with ease, so thats a bad comparison..
Honestly, you obviously don't know much about personal fitness and strength training. It's a Scientific fact that larger muscles are stronger than smaller ones, and that the amount of muscle mass an individual has is a major factor (not the ony one) in their overall strength.
[quote]And? You can run quickly, run or lift for a long time, and lift your body mass several times over and still not be "ripped". You can be athletic and not be "ripped". Lean works just fine.[/quote]
What do you mean by "ripped?" Ripped typically means cut, or muscular in terms of definition.
It doesn't typically refer to muscle mass or bulk, at least not in the vernacular sense.
[quote]I advise you to look again. I would also suggest that you examine wikipedia's list of historical women warriors; some of them were conquerers and leaders of people. But I'm sure that they're also the "exception"[/quote]
I already looked, so unless History has rewritten itself, then I'm sure nothing has changed. Why don't you tell me of these Matriarchical civilizations and societies since you seem to know about them.
And I'm well aware that there were many historical female warriors. Thats not the same thing as a Matriarchy however..
[quote]Don't take this the wrong way, but I feel sorry for your daughters. If they enter a male dominated career path, I hope you will love them and support them and not think they are an "exception" or strange. I'm extremely lucky that my dad loves me even though I'm apparently strange and a video-game playing freak. I imagine that all the other women in this forum are just as lucky that they've got people in their lives who love and accept them for being so awkward and deviant as to play video games.[/quote]
OK lets get one thing straight. You don't know me, or anything about my family besides a few generalities.. As far as you're concerned, I'm just text on your screen.
Now, with that said, you must have completely missed several statements of mine where I said my daughters (and wife) are all gamers to some extent, and that I have been trying to get my wife interested in games like Mass Effect etc for years..
Apparently, in your jaded view of the World, that must mean that I'm some domineering father or husband that wants to exert control over every aspect of his family's life...
Really, I wonder if you're even reading this thread at all, or are you making things up as you go a long?
[quote]So is a guy who plays Facebook games unusual because that is female dominated? That's a very strange standard you have there. I don't think I can fully wrap my head around it without my skull shattering.[/quote]
Unusual simply means something out of the ordinary, so yes, a guy playing Facebook games would probably be viewed as unusual since those kind of games are played mostly by women.
[quote]We're individuals with our own preferences. Some of us like violent games some of us don't. Stop freaking out about it and just accept us as we are, okay? That's all we'd like here.
If you are saying it is strange, worthy of lifting eyebrows, and saying that we are an "exception", then I have to ask: Exception to what, exactly? If it's not a rule or a social norm that we're breaking, why have this argument in the first place?[/quote]
I'm not freaking out about anything. If anyone's freaking out, it's you, because you're obviously offended that I think female gamers that play masculine oriented games are unusual, or exceptions to the trends.
[quote]A lot of us can enjoy "non-violent" games equally. We're individuals. I am sounding like a broken record here, which is the worst kind of record. Don't look at us as women, look at us as fellow human beings who happen to be female. Our femininity is not what defines us, but merely an aspect of our identity.[/quote]
Yes you definitely sound like a broken record with this. You keep continually saying that "we're individuals" and I keep saying that individuals don't concern me, as I'm more interested in the overall trend.
[quote]Conformity is important, which is why we all live in the same kinds of house, drive the same kind and color of car, and do the same kinds of stuff! Nobody every does anything different. Ever.[/quote]
Stop being ridiculous. Individuality and conformity are both major factors in the lives of evey human being on this planet. If you think conformity is irrelevent, then you need to open your eyes.
[quote]You do not conform completely to what other men do, don't expect us (or any other woman) to conform completely to what some other women do. I'm sure that I'm not the only woman who posts on this forum who thinks shoes are awesome and can talk all day long about her favorite kind of boots. I'm sure there's women here who follow other gender norms. We break some. You break some. Those gay men you are so fond of mentioning break some![/quote]
LOL this is funny. You think I'm trying to impose something on you and yours, but thats all in your head.
I don't have the power to affect your life in any way shape or form. The fact that you seem to be irritated just from my opinions goes to show that your individualism isn't as strong as you let on.
[quote]There is no standard of normal. Normality is a pleasant illusion that does not exist. It's an ideal. It's not reality.[/quote]
If you say so
[quote]Though sorry for hurting your feelings. I'll make it up to you by posting a box of spider-man bandaids to ya.[/quote]
Please make those Superman bandaids
[quote]Here, let me put my hand in and get it wrenched off for you: I'm not sensitive. I do not take kindly to being told, in a very roundabout way, that there is something wrong or unusual with me and every other woman on this forum. None of us do. This is slowly devolving into you baiting us, though, instead of a debate filled with mutual respect.[/quote]
Nonsense, you're as prickly as a hedgehog and as sensitive as a jellyfish
[quote]I'm not the only person here who has said that we don't want to be thought of as strange, alien women, but human beings. This argument, believe it or not, gives the impression that it isn't looking at us as people, but at us as women who are not people capable of liking what we want to like or doing what we want to do, and that's where it starts to get offensive.[/quote]
Again, let me reiterate. I have no control or impact on your life at all Silveryne. You can do, and think whatever you want without any care what I say.
Why you place such a premium on what I think, is perplexing to me, seeing as you repeatedly claim that you're an individual.
[quote]Baseline: All kinds of women game. All kinds of men game. There is no one specific type of female gamer because we're unique people just like you, snowflake. We like what we like. Get over it.[/quote]
Hmmm, snowflake....
I am being specific. It is not "gay" men that enforce cultural norms in our society. Gay men are, believe it or not, a minority.[/quote]
Whether they are a minority or not is irrelevent. The fact is, that gay men are overrepresented in the Fashion Industry. Many of the lead designers are gay, including designers like Tom Ford, Versace (when he was alive), Karl Lagerfeld, Dolce and Gabbana......need I go on?
Basically, you have no idea what you're talking about.. Many of the top male designers are gay or bisexual, thats a fact.
[quote]What you think are attractive -- T&A, if your voluptuous women comment is any indicator -- is what the majority of men -- we'll call 'em "men" for short -- think is attractive. You like curvy women, which suggests you do not like morbidly obese women. I think morbidly obese women are fine to live how they want and are beautiful in ways that "voluptuous" women are not.[/quote]
Morbidly obese women (and men) disgust me. Unless they have a medical disorder, many of them achieved that state through sheer gluttony and laziness. They also impose upon themselves severe health risks through their lifestyle and eating habits.
[quote]Let's face it: men like you decide what is attractive in this culture and what isn't. To put it on gay men is laughably wrong. To claim the fashion industry is run by gay men is also probably laughably wrong.[/quote]
You are completely ignorant of the fashion industry, but perhaps I'm being too hard on you.. You see, I used to model myself at one time, so I'm aware of what goes on behind the scenes so to speak.
[quote]Okay? Skinny just means not much fat mass. There can be muscle mass on a woman. Most men do not find fat mass beyond T&A to be attractive. How do we know? Because of countless boyfriends teasing about love handles, or double chins, or little annoying things like that that you see every day. Articles posted on websites: "How to encourage your girlfriend to go to the gym!" Which was an actual article one of my friends showed me once. Gotta love people.[/quote]
You find articles like that offensive? No wonder we're having problems..
Going to the gym is a GOOD thing. If my loved ones were gaining excessive weight that I knew would eventually put their health at risks, then I would certainly encourage them to go to the gym and start eating healthily.
Open your eyes. The U.S and other developed countries have health care costs which consume almost 20% of our GDP, especially due to various lifestyle diseases like Diabetes Type II, heart disease, high blood pressure etc which can be completely avoidable if you take care of yourself..
I find your nonchalant attitude over this to be alarming in and of itself.. Things like this have severe consequences for all of us when it gets out of hand, but you seem to think that it's OK if people stuff their faces to the point where they can barely even move.. You seem to even think that it's beautiful in it's own way
[quote]It does, actually. Look at martial artists (I know a young woman, short, lean, who can flip two 280 lb guys over at the same time.[/quote]
Right, because flipping someone and lifting them are the exact same thing
Tell her to lift two 280lbs guys at the same time if she wants to really impress..
[quote]Apparently she can't, though, because that requires a lot of strength
Must be ancient sith magicks!). Look at gymnasts. Do they have a lot of physical muscle mass? Not really, they're what we'd consider "lean". Not "ripped".[/quote]Gymnasts only need to be strong enough to lift their own body weight with ease, so thats a bad comparison..
Honestly, you obviously don't know much about personal fitness and strength training. It's a Scientific fact that larger muscles are stronger than smaller ones, and that the amount of muscle mass an individual has is a major factor (not the ony one) in their overall strength.
[quote]And? You can run quickly, run or lift for a long time, and lift your body mass several times over and still not be "ripped". You can be athletic and not be "ripped". Lean works just fine.[/quote]
What do you mean by "ripped?" Ripped typically means cut, or muscular in terms of definition.
It doesn't typically refer to muscle mass or bulk, at least not in the vernacular sense.
[quote]I advise you to look again. I would also suggest that you examine wikipedia's list of historical women warriors; some of them were conquerers and leaders of people. But I'm sure that they're also the "exception"[/quote]
I already looked, so unless History has rewritten itself, then I'm sure nothing has changed. Why don't you tell me of these Matriarchical civilizations and societies since you seem to know about them.
And I'm well aware that there were many historical female warriors. Thats not the same thing as a Matriarchy however..
[quote]Don't take this the wrong way, but I feel sorry for your daughters. If they enter a male dominated career path, I hope you will love them and support them and not think they are an "exception" or strange. I'm extremely lucky that my dad loves me even though I'm apparently strange and a video-game playing freak. I imagine that all the other women in this forum are just as lucky that they've got people in their lives who love and accept them for being so awkward and deviant as to play video games.
[/quote]OK lets get one thing straight. You don't know me, or anything about my family besides a few generalities.. As far as you're concerned, I'm just text on your screen.
Now, with that said, you must have completely missed several statements of mine where I said my daughters (and wife) are all gamers to some extent, and that I have been trying to get my wife interested in games like Mass Effect etc for years..
Apparently, in your jaded view of the World, that must mean that I'm some domineering father or husband that wants to exert control over every aspect of his family's life...
Really, I wonder if you're even reading this thread at all, or are you making things up as you go a long?
[quote]So is a guy who plays Facebook games unusual because that is female dominated? That's a very strange standard you have there. I don't think I can fully wrap my head around it without my skull shattering.[/quote]
Unusual simply means something out of the ordinary, so yes, a guy playing Facebook games would probably be viewed as unusual since those kind of games are played mostly by women.
[quote]We're individuals with our own preferences. Some of us like violent games some of us don't. Stop freaking out about it and just accept us as we are, okay? That's all we'd like here.
If you are saying it is strange, worthy of lifting eyebrows, and saying that we are an "exception", then I have to ask: Exception to what, exactly? If it's not a rule or a social norm that we're breaking, why have this argument in the first place?[/quote]
I'm not freaking out about anything. If anyone's freaking out, it's you, because you're obviously offended that I think female gamers that play masculine oriented games are unusual, or exceptions to the trends.
[quote]A lot of us can enjoy "non-violent" games equally. We're individuals. I am sounding like a broken record here, which is the worst kind of record. Don't look at us as women, look at us as fellow human beings who happen to be female. Our femininity is not what defines us, but merely an aspect of our identity.[/quote]
Yes you definitely sound like a broken record with this. You keep continually saying that "we're individuals" and I keep saying that individuals don't concern me, as I'm more interested in the overall trend.
[quote]Conformity is important, which is why we all live in the same kinds of house, drive the same kind and color of car, and do the same kinds of stuff! Nobody every does anything different. Ever.[/quote]
Stop being ridiculous. Individuality and conformity are both major factors in the lives of evey human being on this planet. If you think conformity is irrelevent, then you need to open your eyes.
[quote]You do not conform completely to what other men do, don't expect us (or any other woman) to conform completely to what some other women do. I'm sure that I'm not the only woman who posts on this forum who thinks shoes are awesome and can talk all day long about her favorite kind of boots. I'm sure there's women here who follow other gender norms. We break some. You break some. Those gay men you are so fond of mentioning break some![/quote]
LOL this is funny. You think I'm trying to impose something on you and yours, but thats all in your head.
I don't have the power to affect your life in any way shape or form. The fact that you seem to be irritated just from my opinions goes to show that your individualism isn't as strong as you let on.
[quote]There is no standard of normal. Normality is a pleasant illusion that does not exist. It's an ideal. It's not reality.[/quote]
If you say so
[quote]Though sorry for hurting your feelings. I'll make it up to you by posting a box of spider-man bandaids to ya.[/quote]
Please make those Superman bandaids
[quote]Here, let me put my hand in and get it wrenched off for you: I'm not sensitive. I do not take kindly to being told, in a very roundabout way, that there is something wrong or unusual with me and every other woman on this forum. None of us do. This is slowly devolving into you baiting us, though, instead of a debate filled with mutual respect.[/quote]
Nonsense, you're as prickly as a hedgehog and as sensitive as a jellyfish
[quote]I'm not the only person here who has said that we don't want to be thought of as strange, alien women, but human beings. This argument, believe it or not, gives the impression that it isn't looking at us as people, but at us as women who are not people capable of liking what we want to like or doing what we want to do, and that's where it starts to get offensive.[/quote]
Again, let me reiterate. I have no control or impact on your life at all Silveryne. You can do, and think whatever you want without any care what I say.
Why you place such a premium on what I think, is perplexing to me, seeing as you repeatedly claim that you're an individual.
[quote]Baseline: All kinds of women game. All kinds of men game. There is no one specific type of female gamer because we're unique people just like you, snowflake. We like what we like. Get over it.[/quote]
Hmmm, snowflake....
#125
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 05:14
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jellobell wrote...
Well that other guy seemed perfectly serious when he was blaming gay men for the body image problems of all the women in the world, so I'm not sure what to believe anymore.
This is classic ignorance at work..
Blaming gay men for womens' body image problems may seem nonsensical at first, but it makes sense when you realize how much influence the Fashion industry has over our self image, and how overrrepresented gay men are in that industry..
Most, and I repeat most of the top male fashion designers are gay or bisexual.
Tom Ford, Versace (deceased), Dolce and Gabbana, Karl Lagerfeld, Jean Paul Gaultier, Perry Ellis (deceased) are (or were) all gay..
Gay male fashion designers UNINTENTIONALLY affect female self image by hiring models that have more androgynous physiques, because they find that more attractive than the classic feminine physique for obvious reasons..
If you look at runway models, they all basically have the same body type. Tall, leggy with small breasts (if they have breasts it's probably implants), big feet, strong jaw lines......just like young boys. I worked in the fashion industry for a while, so I naturally hung around many female models.
Until the fashion industry starts hiring models that have real feminine physiques, then women are probably going to keep thinking that being skinny is more ideal than being curvy.
Anyway, the point is that womens' body image issues doesn't stem from heterosexual men. Most heterosexual men find curvy bodies much more attractive than skinny ones. It's in our genes!
Multiple studies have shown this, so stop blaming us for your body image problems!
