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[Matt 2108]

Or will it gimp him too much if used for the entire game?  I've haven't seen any other staves that have a "healing by this character" bonus. Well, besides Bassrath-Kata, but you can't get that if Hawke ir a warrior or rogue.

[brazen_nl]

The staff becomes so underpowered after a couple of levels. There are also trinkets that increase healing power. My heals on NM aren't even upgraded.

[Matt 2108]

Good to know. I figured the healing increase wouldn't be worth the gimped staff, but wanted to make sure.

[brazen_nl]

Hmmm, edit post doesn't work on the iPad. Don't forget, doing the right damage element is far more important!

[SuicidalBaby]

If Anders is only healing hes gimped already, you need a solid base damage staff. I dont even bother with it.

Try the Amulet of Serenity sold @ Sols in the Gallows Act 1 for 1.6g. +8% healing by and to the wearer.

[brazen_nl]

SuicidalBaby agrees with me!

/validation

[LyndseyCousland]

Yeah, I had a ring or amulet that had the 'healing by this character' note on it.

[simonc4175]

I tried a DW Rogue Hawke and on the ARW fight it was almost impossible for Ander to keep the party alive. I think it helps untill you get something better.

Either that or my Aveline is badly specced but I didn't have problems when I was spirit healer.

[DW2511]

The best Anders tactic set in my opinion is to have his last tactic slot be to cast Martyr whenever his health is above 50%. That makes him auto attack just once per 'round' , instead relying on insane mana regen and very low spell cooldowns. The Chanter's staff is fine if you use him like that.

[SuicidalBaby]

simonc4175 wrote...

I tried a DW Rogue Hawke and on the ARW fight it was almost impossible for Ander to keep the party alive. I think it helps untill you get something better.

Either that or my Aveline is badly specced but I didn't have problems when I was spirit healer.

Your damage out put is too low, that fight is possible with 0 healing.

DW2511 wrote...

The best Anders tactic set in my opinion is to have his last tactic slot be to cast Martyr whenever his health is above 50%. That makes him auto attack just once per 'round' , instead relying on insane mana regen and very low spell cooldowns. The Chanter's staff is fine if you use him like that.

Thank the Maker that's just your opinion because if it was fact we would all have low damage useless Anders running in our groups.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 13 avril 2011 - 06:11 .

[brazen_nl]

Anders, although a ******, is a beast! Please don't use him only for healing.

ARW fight? Pillars ... Only the attacker takes a bit of damage. ARW is really obvious in when he's going to be dangerous!

[Gaidren]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

DW2511 wrote...

The best Anders tactic set in my opinion is to have his last tactic slot be to cast Martyr whenever his health is above 50%. That makes him auto attack just once per 'round' , instead relying on insane mana regen and very low spell cooldowns. The Chanter's staff is fine if you use him like that.

Thank the Maker that's just your opinion because if it was fact we would all have low damage useless Anders running in our groups.

Anders is fine used like that.  He does very little staff damage, but he keeps the other 3 party members perma-hasted and he constantly throws out heals and Chain Lightning Stagger combos.  I don't recommend using a weak staff though, since staff damage influences Chain Lightning damage (although it doesn't gimp his heals/haste to have a weak stuff).

It's a bit of a cheat though to have him chain cast Martyr via tactics, since he doesn't need to be in Vengeance mode to do it (via tactics).  Vengeance mode, with all of its penalties, was meant to balance out the awesomeness of a spammable Martyr spell.

[SuicidalBaby]

so aside from being a 'bit' of a cheat and having a different staff from the one being discussed, he works just fine.

lol

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 13 avril 2011 - 08:52 .

[simonc4175]

brazen_nl wrote...

Anders, although a ******, is a beast! Please don't use him only for healing.

ARW fight? Pillars ... Only the attacker takes a bit of damage. ARW is really obvious in when he's going to be dangerous!

The problem is the AI,  more often that both Varric and Anders will go into AOE range and die oO.

Keeping a DW rogue live is with bad AI is a pain on nightmare.

The fight without any real debuffs make it difficult since I took Ander, Ave, DW Hawke and Varric.  He just couldn't keep the group alive lol.

[SuicidalBaby]

then that would be a result of you using the wrong behavior, which by your description is aggressive. ranged group members stop attacking and follow the character you are controlling when the ARW begins its build up phase.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 14 avril 2011 - 12:05 .

[simonc4175]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

then that would be a result of you using the wrong behavior, which by your description is aggressive. ranged group members stop attacking and follow the character you are controlling when he begins his build up phase.

Nope both Anders and Varric set to ranged and only Ave set to Aggressive.

The ranged characters still ge clost enough to be AoE killed  either that or rolls and squashes Anders .

But even the +8% necklace and 21% staff he still can't fill up Aves HP's to full .

[SuicidalBaby]

of course, its not like you cant stop them from moving during the damage phase.........

[Matt 2108]

Hmm, now you guys are making me waver on Anders' role.

Are there any good builds/tactics set-ups that can take advantage of both Panacea and Vengeance?

[DW2511]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

I tried a DW Rogue Hawke and on the ARW fight it was almost impossible for Ander to keep the party alive. I think it helps untill you get something better.

Either that or my Aveline is badly specced but I didn't have problems when I was spirit healer.

Your damage out put is too low, that fight is possible with 0 healing.

DW2511 wrote...

The best Anders tactic set in my opinion is to have his last tactic slot be to cast Martyr whenever his health is above 50%. That makes him auto attack just once per 'round' , instead relying on insane mana regen and very low spell cooldowns. The Chanter's staff is fine if you use him like that.

Thank the Maker that's just your opinion because if it was fact we would all have low damage useless Anders running in our groups.

It is a fact, thank God (We are obviously of different religious convictions). The use of Martyr essentially taps into Anders' health to cast spells AND reduce cooldowns, making him a semi-blood mage. That makes it prudent to have his WIL and CON be at comparable levels, which in turn results in a less squishy Anders. With greatly reduced cooldowns as well his 'effective spell DPS' goes through the roof. Heck, you can set his tactics to spam upgraded spirit bolt and Martyr in succession and by the end he'll do 400 spirit damage every 5 seconds. Find me a staff that can do that.

Also, by setting Health‹50% - Activate Panacea, Health>50% - Activate Vengeance, Health>50% - Use Martyr IN THAT ORDER in your tactics will make sure that you do not take advantage of the Martyr bug, except in extremely rare cases.

[simonc4175]

Matt 2108 wrote...

Hmm, now you guys are making me waver on Anders' role.

Are there any good builds/tactics set-ups that can take advantage of both Panacea and Vengeance?

Anders is better in some battles than others imo.  With melee in ARW fight he can't keep rogues alive.

In a mage playthough I actually made him full DPS with the Vengence tree and Fire/Ice spells and he rocked .

As a healer is 2nd fiddle if you play Spirit Heal Mage and you might as well miss the top talents on his personal tree.

Modifié par simonc4175, 14 avril 2011 - 12:41 .

[DW2511]

simonc4175 wrote...

Matt 2108 wrote...

Hmm, now you guys are making me waver on Anders' role.

Are there any good builds/tactics set-ups that can take advantage of both Panacea and Vengeance?

Anders is better in some battles than others imo.  With melee in ARW fight he can't keep rogues alive.

In a mage playthough I actually made him full DPS with the Vengence tree and Fire/Ice spells and he rocked .

As a healer is 2nd fiddle if you play Spirit Heal Mage and you might as well miss the top talents on his personal tree.

His best role is actually as a nuker-buffer combo. If you can spare 2 or 3 more talents and have him heal as well, all the better. Alongside my SH/FM/STAGGER damager mage he has the Vengeance part of his tree maxed, Elemental Mastery, Primal Mastery and Greater Haste along with Elem. Weapons. He almost never autoattacks more than once. There's always a spell to cast, his chain lightning STAGGER kills regenerate his health from 60 to 100% instantly, and he keeps the party permanently hasted. Not too shabby.