The Great Debate: Shooter vs RPG
#1
Posté 13 avril 2011 - 09:40
I want to hear from the greatest number of people in order to get a statisitcally representative picture of the current mass effect community (or at least those participating in the forums).
So without further ado, here they are!
Part One
Part Two
Part Three
#2
Posté 13 avril 2011 - 11:01
#3
Posté 13 avril 2011 - 11:16
#4
Posté 13 avril 2011 - 11:25
The ME games are shooter/RPG hybrids.
When I shoot, I shoot, I don't throw dice.
When I roleplay, I roleplay, I don't shoot in order for my biotic powers to be more effective.
Shooters and RPGs are equal as genres. That means, no genre's properties should consume the other's.
#5
Guest_elektrego_*
Posté 13 avril 2011 - 11:30
Guest_elektrego_*
Mass Effect was actually the game I'd been waiting for so long, which was, imo, a near perfect mix, apart from the inventory.
I agree that ME2 shifted that mix a little too much into the shooter direction, but I wouldn't consider it a shooter.
With the things we have been told about ME3 so far, they finally seem to get it right: The perfect game where we roleplay a PC that shoots a lot...
#6
Guest_Nyoka_*
Posté 13 avril 2011 - 12:10
Guest_Nyoka_*
I've never beaten a shooter. There's always a moment when I just don't see the point, get bored and go do something else. I wouldn't say it's because their gameplay or their mechanics are bad, but rather because there's too much of one thing.
However I've played ME1&2 and enjoyed it each time. Besides from having a story that matters (it's not only an excuse, an scenario for the shooting), I think I don't get bored because it intersperses shooting with talking and walking around. Shooting NPCs for an hour = tedious. Talking with NPCs for an hour = tedious. Mix it up and, for some reason, you have two hours of fun. Don't ask me why, but that's what does it for me, not how much of an RPG there's in the game, or how much of a shooter. I read this idea at CulturalGeekGirl's for the first time and thought she nailed it. She translated into words a feeling I too had but couldn't really put my finger on.
Modifié par Nyoka, 13 avril 2011 - 12:15 .
#7
Posté 13 avril 2011 - 12:56
I agree, people are far too focused on the labels. Whether or not it's a traditional RPG or a third person shooter is 100% irrelevant. Mass Effect is a hybrid, as Phadeon said, and it's unfair to judge it as either/or when it's both.Nyoka wrote...
People might be too focused on mechanics. To me, the real great debate is labels vs. no labels.
When judging the Mass Effect games, this is what people should be looking for:
- Is the story compelling and generally well-written?
- Are the characters well designed and well-written?
- Is the game universe fleshed out and deep?
- Are the conversation mechanics good?
- Are the combat mechanics good?
- Are you able to roleplay as Commander Shepard?
If the answer to most or all of those is yes, then you have a good game.
#8
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 03:46
Most of you regularly play shooters but the genre is not your favorite and you also have a diversified interest in games.
Most of you would rank your shooting abilities as pretty good.
And finally, most of you feel Mass Effect 2 only slightly lacked traditional RPG elements.
The actual spread between each section of the poll followed a trend of sorts. Most members (71%) voted that they played shooters between "every now and again" and "They're my favorite".
These same people seem to have rated their abilities in shooters between "Decent" and "Bona Fide Pro," proving that those that play the genre are at least capable of enjoying it (83%). It should be noted that this section could easily have been skewed by dishonesty or an overestimation of abilities and indeed appears to have been.
Lastly, most of those that participated (66%) said that Mass Effect 2 lacked RPG elements "a bit" or less.
Conversely, 29% of those that voted said they "almost never" or "never until ME" play shooters. 16% said that they were "fair" or worse at shooters and 34% said that ME2 did lack RPG elements significantly.
#9
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:16
Hmm, that doesn't sound like a very healthy variety of games.29% of those that voted said they "almost never" or "never until ME" play shooters.
#10
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:19
Phaedon wrote...
Hmm, that doesn't sound like a very healthy variety of games.29% of those that voted said they "almost never" or "never until ME" play shooters.
Eh, I'm probably worse actually. I play almost exclusively shooters. There's something extremely satisfying to me about shooting things.
Honestly I can name only 3 games that I've played that weren't shooters, one of which I haven't finished yet (Darksiders).
I don't fault anyone for not playing shooters, I'm only interested in finding the source of discontent.
#11
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:21
#12
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:24
Phaedon wrote...
But most games in the market are shooters.
True, but that which is popular does not necessarily equal that which one likes.
*Looking at you Twilight, Call of Duty, and Lost*
#13
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:25
Well, it still hasn't left my disc drive yet. So I'd say the relationship is good.Assess the community here's relationship with Mass Effect 2.
#14
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:26
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Phaedon wrote...
But most games in the market are shooters.
True, but that which is popular does not necessarily equal that which one likes.
*Looking at you Twilight, Call of Duty, and Lost*
Call of Duty in general or just Modern Warfail 2?
Modifié par Mesina2, 14 avril 2011 - 09:26 .
#15
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:27
Mesina2 wrote...
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Phaedon wrote...
But most games in the market are shooters.
True, but that which is popular does not necessarily equal that which one likes.
*Looking at you Twilight, Call of Duty, and Lost*
Call of Duty in general or just Modern Warfail 2?
The two most recent and most successful Call of Dutys (MW2 and Black Ops).
#16
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:27
#17
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:29
#18
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:50
Delerius_Jedi wrote...
Alrighty. Done.
Thank you for participating!
#19
Posté 14 avril 2011 - 07:34
Interesting, but I wonder just how this data is to be interprated. I answered the surveys and even commented on one.GuardianAngel470 wrote...
I have made a series of polls designed to assess the community here's relationship with Mass Effect 2.
I want to hear from the greatest number of people in order to get a statisitcally representative picture of the current mass effect community (or at least those participating in the forums).
So without further ado, here they are!
Part One
Part Two
Part Three
Here's the thing: if you completely ignore the term "RPG" then the discussion here becomes much easier to have. Instead of saying "RPG" people should say "I want to see feature [A], [B], and [C], but not [D]. Forget the labels.





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