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[Caelitus]

try BG II

the beginning is slow (it picks up where BG I left off) but it gets momentum. give it a chance. yeah it will look and feel old, but you won't give two S's once it consumes you. BG I is a bit old for my tastes, I tried to play it on 3 occasions and just kept getting distracted by other things...

Modifié par Caelitus, 18 novembre 2009 - 10:20 .

[Jiggasaurus]

Just so you know Raisthlin Arckon, if you go on to youtube and search for "Let's Play Baldur's Gate II" It has a run through of someone playing the game, dont watch to much of it, but it can give you a good idea of the graphics if you check some of it out.



This will sound totaly fanboyish but BG2 also has one of the best opening soundtracks of any game...

[Revik]

Man I still remember spending a whole day creating my Arnold Sound set for BG2. I went to the video store and rented all the Arnold movies I could find. Despite it taking 1 day getting all the snipets I needed was actually very quick since Arnold hardly talks in any of his movies.

AHHH WE ARE ALL FRIENDS NOW!! YOU, BOO and I!! HAMSTERS AND RANGERS EVERYWHERE!! REJOICE!!

By far the best companion NPC's I had were probably Minsc, Edwin, and HK-47.

[Haexpane]

Onkel_84 wrote...

If you are going to play BG2 then you simply have to play Baldurs Gate 1, its quite mandatory if you want to understand the story behind both games and their expansions. Baldurs Gate 2 starts off rather..odd if you havent played the original. Plus, you dont want to miss out on all the Minsc and Boo fun Trust me!

Haexpane wrote...

Yeah y ou have to get the expansion SoA too... must play

Actually, "Shadows of Amn" is the name of the original Baldurs Gate 2 without the expansion included. The expansion is called "Throne of Bhaal" and is simply the best expansion ever made

OOPs yean ToB i meant... sorry so many acroynyms

Don't forget the BG2 WIDESCREEN USER PATCH!!!

Playing the 2D in Widescreen is so much better

[CjRayn]

Baldur's Gate 2 is one of the best RPG's ever... I've still got the discs and manual from it's original release, and somewhere I have a CD with all the Mods for the original content that I could find (The ascension mod, different characters people made, so on, such forth.) One very important thing to know getting into BG 2 is that this game had a lot of mods that made it better than it was, and I'm not sure how many you can find online anymore...I mean, there's Baldurdash.org which has a few, but it has been over 10 years. Even without any of those mods, it's still a marvelous game. A few things to know getting into this game:



1) Your characters don't fall down in combat and get up feeling a bit woozy...they DIE! And this can be permanent. Sometimes you don't bother trying to bring them back and you just get another character, but this can really hurt. I remember fighting a battle and a mage disintegrated Aerie (my romantic interest). There was a little pile of ash with a few of her items in it. Even a resurrection spell doesn't bring people back from that if your playing on something besides easy. A little bit of staring at the monitor, cursing, and reloading later I plowed him under within 10 seconds of the beginning of the battle.



2) The game focuses heavily on your control and strategy. Your characters won't do anything if you don't tell them to, and there are a lot of battles that are seriously difficult if you approach them the wrong way, but cake if you do it right.



3)There's a lot to do, be prepared to get lost for a while. The depth of the game simply isn't matched in DA: Origins because it takes much more time to code and prepare the technical aspects of games than it used to, and they need to turn a profit. I mean, sure...the company could take the time to make a modern game that was perfect in every way, but wasn't that what happened to Duke Nukem Forever? Modern games just don't lend themselves to the kind of well...whatever BG2 had (I think we need a new word for this idea: the intangible quality that makes something memorable). If you make it even half-way through this game with one character you aren't going to stop with just that character. There is so much to do, and you can't do it all on one play through. There are so many NPC's, all memorable in their own ways even if you hate them (Edwin and Korrigan, anybody?) The whole damn thing was just...done right. That's why people keep holding up this 10 year old, dated game with text, extremely dated graphics, and almost no AI as a standard to compare other games to. As I keep playing through DA I hope I find it to make a new standard, but, really, that people promote DA as a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate speaks more highly of BG than of DA.

[Riddley313]

Baldur's Gate 2 was one of the best. However, a game I think is even better is Planescape Torment.



Give them both a try, I say.

[macayle]

Ya know the things is if you go and play BG and BGII not only will you get all the inside jokes alwasy mentioned in this game you might hit you head falling out of your chair laughing and go to the hospital when you learn about Minsc and Boo

[Mahouhashi]

For me personally, Baldur's Gate's story is superior to DA:O. DA:O's story is so generic it isn't even funny, if it weren't for the awesome characters I would be sorely disappointed with DA:O. Its practically the same story as Mass Effect except in a medieval setting, but at least Mass Effect has some mystery to it still, while DA:O you could pick out every plot point before it happens, though I suppose nothing was really hidden to begin with. :End Rant:



Anyway if you want to play through an excellent story Baldur's Gate is the way to go its much better than DA:O IMO.

[Jtrdi]

Favorite game. Played both games and add-on in one piece.

[Huehand]

Took me ten years to complete the whole series (big break half way through Throne of Baall)
Was a lot younger then so there is that nostalgia factor.

The following video is now quite old and I believe the project is no longer ongoing, but this should be interesting to some. Mobile devices anyone?
I dream of the day i could play the saga once more on my iTouch... it could happen...

www.youtube.com/watch

HH

[Atranes]

BG is amazing - there are lots of things you'll never see unless you explore. It totally captured the experience of sitting around a table for D&D and trying to figure things out. If you're on hard setting, your characters can really die, and there's none of this "people in the camp still get experience" stuff.



BG2 is better. It's long, has lots of sidequests that can be taken in any order, doesn't have level scaling (so you may really have to come back to something later), and the story is great. And BG2 has the very best spell battles of any game. Oh, and it has Wish. Wish!



Mind you, the rules in both are weird (AD&D) and clunky, so there's a high learning curve. There's also less character customization - there, I said it. Stats are entirely figured at the time you roll your character (except for minor exceptions), and only thieves (and monks) have skills, so leveling as anything other than a spellcaster can be hard to notice. The clunky rules make it subject to lots of ... powergaming (kensai thief wielding staff of the magi anyone)?



That said, I still prefer Planescape: Torment. The writing in that game was simply phenomenal. What can change the nature of a man?

[Socratatus]

Raisthlin Arckon wrote...

Ive played most recent RPG's. Oblivion, Fallout, DO:A, KOTOR, Mass Effect etc..and a lot of olders ones.

For some reason, unknowned, i never played Baldurs Gate 2 (neither the first one)

Should i play Baldurs gate 2 ?

This is such a difficult question to answer. BG2 is one of the best RPGs ever... but... It is VERY different to DO:A.
It all depends on what you like. Why?

1. Well it`s not 3D.  graphicy eye candy. It`s Top-Down 2D graphics which are still nice, but not what you might expect.  This will probably put you right off depending on who you are.

2. It is much, much more indepth. but that`s its great advantage.

3. It has real deep characters.

4. It`s more adult imho. It deals with more delicate issues.

5. It`s much, much longer. when you think it`s finish, you`ve only gone halfway.

6. You gotta sleep or suffer from tiredness.  Your party will tell you.

7. There`s a some voice acting, but not a lot. but what there is is excellent, especially from the Villain.

8. It has one of the best villains of any game, voice acted by a famous Brit acter, though this isn`t advertised.

9. By the time you finish you`ll feel like you lived in this world and people like Imoen, Minsc(and his hamster), Viconiaand others  will be a part of your vocabulary forever.


But that`s only if you can get past the graphics and the tougher game mechanics. If you`re just a graphics eye candy person and can`t stand depth and time in a game i`d say don`t bother.

If you want to get into a fully fledge, `living` world that you and your team will grow in with real consequences, then i`d say buy, it, but it QUICKLY!

It`s one of the last true CRPGS out there.

P.s. i recently played this game with my 16 year old daughter and she loved it.

Modifié par Socratatus, 19 novembre 2009 - 01:24 .

[Tennyochan]

i say give BG2 a whirl! Its a great game but i personally cant go 'backwards' in games.
(BG2 obviously makes improvements from BG1. BG1 i couldn't stand because there we're issues with the basic things; like map & journal.)
Same sort of issue with BG2 - DAO. But because i loved BG2 and considering how cheap($10-20AU) its going for, i say try it. you can either toss it away or you'll be playing it for many many hours! ;D

oh and i find BG much harder/strategic than DAO. so you'll have to pay close attention in battles.

Modifié par tennyochan, 19 novembre 2009 - 01:25 .

[Raisthlin Arckon]

Socratatus wrote...

Raisthlin Arckon wrote...

Ive played most recent RPG's. Oblivion, Fallout, DO:A, KOTOR, Mass Effect etc..and a lot of olders ones.

For some reason, unknowned, i never played Baldurs Gate 2 (neither the first one)

Should i play Baldurs gate 2 ?

This is such a difficult question to answer. BG2 is one of the best RPGs ever... but... It is VERY different to DO:A.
It all depends on what you like. Why?

1. Well it`s not 3D.  graphicy eye candy. It`s Top-Down 2D graphics which are still nice, but not what you might expect.  This will probably put you right off depending on who you are.

2. It is much, much more indepth. but that`s its great advantage.

3. It has real deep characters.

4. It`s more adult imho. It deals with more delicate issues.

5. It`s much, much longer. when you think it`s finish, you`ve only gone halfway.

6. You gotta sleep or suffer from tiredness.  Your party will tell you.

7. There`s a some voice acting, but not a lot. but what there is is excellent, especially from the Villain.

8. It has one of the best villains of any game, voice acted by a famous Brit acter, though this isn`t advertised.

9. By the time you finish you`ll feel like you lived in this world and people like Imoen, Minsc(and his hamster), Viconiaand others  will be a part of your vocabulary forever.


But that`s only if you can get past the graphics and the tougher game mechanics. If you`re just a graphics eye candy person and can`t stand depth and time in a game i`d say don`t bother.

If you want to get into a fully fledge, `living` world that you and your team will grow in with real consequences, then i`d say buy, it, but it QUICKLY!

It`s one of the last true CRPGS out there.

P.s. i recently played this game with my 16 year old daughter and she loved it.

thanks, i will definitely give it a go! Cant wait!

[BashoBasho]

There is a hi-res/widescreen monitor mod for BG2
http://www.gibberlin...net/widescreen/
I think the original res only goes up to 1024*800

And also a pack to fix some of the bugs the official patches missed
http://www.gibberlin...net/bg2fixpack/

Hope you enjoy the game!

Modifié par BashoBasho, 19 novembre 2009 - 01:59 .

[Solmyr2000]

There never will be a character that would be better than Minsc and Boo.

[Raisthlin Arckon]

BashoBasho wrote...


There is a hi-res/widescreen monitor mod for BG2
http://www.gibberlin...net/widescreen/
I think the original res only goes up to 1024*800

And also a pack to fix some of the bugs the official patches missed
http://www.gibberlin...net/bg2fixpack/

Hope you enjoy the game!

thanks for the links

[Taritu]

Pick up Planescape: Torment too, if you can. Personally, I'm in the camp which says that it is the best CRPG ever made (though you must like talking to NPCs, however it gives you a ton of choices, more than any other game I know of). Best writing I've ever seen in a CRPG too, with all due respect to the fine writers who gave us DA:O.



It does have almost no replay value, though, imo. Tried to replay it a couple years ago, just couldn't. The story is so strong that if you know how it goes, the impact is much reduced. It also has a very limited caste of companions, each of whom has great dialogue and you can have almost all of them in the group at once.

[TimelordDC]

There are a few things people aren't telling you, mostly because I suspect most people who posted here played it first when it came out.

First, the rules. If you aren't familiar with AD&D, you will have trouble figuring out the rules and the optimum set up for your party. I went back to try BG + BG2 after playing NWN and it was tough doing even that transition.

Second, the real deep characters, the real deep story, length of the game, etc. are colored by nostalgia. There really isn't much of a consequence system in that game and there isn't the variety of choices available like in DA:O (at least in some of the areas in DA:O).

The length of DA:O easily exceeds BG2 when you take into account all the side quests and different endings [note: I am not considering playing different origins just different plot endings]

Companions -> there were some truly memorable companions in BG2, I agree. So are the companions in DA:O. In fact, other than the mabari, I would say the companions in DA:O are far superior to BG2 in terms of party interaction and banter. Background wise, all companions in DA:O have been fleshed out considerably and while the gifting system is probably not a good idea (I guess it was put in place to appease those who screw up the influences but still want the quests), the influence system to govern interactions is way better than in BG2.

I am not saying BG2 is not a great game. In fact, it is possibly one of the best games ever made. However, I think DA:O exceeds those standards. I doubt anyone here has played the game as many times as BG2 to have all party members and realize the interactions/banter or have played enough to test the various combinations of plot endings.
So, if you really enjoyed DA:O, I suggest picking a different origin and class and do the quests differently and see what ending you can come up with. After that, you can play BG2 or head over to the Toolset forum to download mods.

[Raisthlin Arckon]

UPDATE: I decided to give it a try and god that was indeed a good idea. I really like it so far (only 12 hours in but im already liking it a lot). Ive made a fighter-mage dual class. Well...kensai-mage since both cannot wear armor i thaugh it would be good to mix them together..its the first time ever that creating my character takes 2-3 hours to do. So much choice and decision...real nice...like it so far. Minsc and boo are funny as hell  and the story is much interesting! Play time!

[pokemaughan]

Wrong forum, OP



This is DA discussion, not other games

[Raisthlin Arckon]

pokemaughan wrote...

Wrong forum, OP

This is DA discussion, not other games

lol go away!

[Raxtoren]

When I first played Baldurs Gate 2 I thought it was one of my favorite games of all time, and its still is. Before DAO I decied to back and try to be old-school and I disliked the experience in BG2... dont know, but I rather keep my happy memories of BG2 then to get them spoiled by playing a game 10 year behind its time.

Get Mass Effect 2 in 1,5 month or buy KOTOR,JADE EMPIRE or NWN2 if you havnt...

Or wait a couple of months and get FF13 or WKC, so many good new rpgs out there, you dont have to go back in the past. DAO might lack the story of BG2, but its a BG2 in next-gen.

[sovietpop]

I prefer the Baldur’s gate 2 GFX!!!



Yea it is 9 years old but there is more details on those painted backgrounds. Better than generic ugly 3d with low resolution texture imho.



Infinity engine :

Better gfx

Combat log

Better isometric view

[xcorps]

One other great feature not mentioned:



You can host a multiplayer game solo, and create an entire party of self made characters. You don't have to use any of the pregen characters at all. You do lose out on some interparty plot, but it's still a lot of fun. And I hated Minsc.