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[Togaru]

First of all: Hello I'm new here. Hope we'll all get along with each other. 
I don't know if it's good part of forum, anyway:
I am fan of anime series titled: Darker than Black.
So here's my request:
Could someone please make up some good build for Hei from that anime? Not powerbuild but somewhat enjoyable to play as.
I would be really grateful.
Edit: Thank you for your response. Sorry that I didn't post that earlier.
He's fighting with single dagger. He also uses some kind of ropes to move quicker in battle or to catch his enemies. He can use electricity, but not some bolts or anything like that, more like power supply, he have to be physically connected to target (of course any conductors may help with that). He's very agile.  He sacrificed emotions for electricity power (actually he didn't but he acts like that).  He shows no mercy for his enemies - that's why he's called The Black Reaper. No practicular skills wanted, well maybe HIPS and some good dodging ability. He's pobably not ot orgiinal, but awesome for me.
If his appearance will help here's the link: http://1.bp.blogspot...600/hei_dtb.jpg

Modifié par Togaru, 13 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[Will Scarlet]

The only real problem with trying to fill your request is that I have truly no idea about anime or the Series. I definitely don't speak for everyone, but if you could give us a bit more information about what you want, we could help you.
Some helpful information would be: fighting style (dual-weapon, etc.), special abilities, skills wanted, niche of character (front-rank fighter, sneaker, etc.), etc.

[Togaru]

I added some info. If there's need for more I'll try to add it.

[Will Scarlet]

To fight with a single dagger, I'd say to use something like Swashbuckler/Duelist. Stormlord offers great electricity-enchantment, but only allows spears and shuriken. Assassin and Shadowdancer will offer HiPS. As for the ropes, NWN2 doesn't have any that can be used like that.

My first opinion would be Swashbuckler / Duelist / Shadowdancer.

[Arkalezth]

16 Rogue/3 Swashbuckler/1 Shadowdancer/10 Duelist?

[Togaru]

Well your ideas are good, but do you think that it's possible to replace swashbuckler with something else? I have NWN2 and MotB only.

[Will Scarlet]

Fighter 4 (for Weapon Spec: Dagger) / Rogue 13 / Duelist 10 / Shadowdancer 3

If you are wanting HiPS, I would suggest using more of a sneak/stabber ideal. Drop Shadowdancer and take Assassin.
Rogue 11 / Assassin 9 / Duelist 10

[Togaru]

Ok Thank you for your help I think that I'll come up with something with your advices. I'm grateful.

[Arkalezth]

Will Scarlet wrote...

Fighter 4 (for Weapon Spec: Dagger) / Rogue 13 / Duelist 10 / Shadowdancer 3

If you are wanting HiPS, I would suggest using more of a sneak/stabber ideal. Drop Shadowdancer and take Assassin.
Rogue 11 / Assassin 9 / Duelist 10

Rogue 16 allows both Epic Precision and Epic Dodge. That's way better than Weapon Specialization. Fighter or Ranger are good replacements for Swashbuckler.

You can also drop some Duelist levels (leaving it at 5. 6 would be good but there wouldn't be no room for it) and take 8 Fighter for Greater/Epic W. Focus.

[Will Scarlet]

In my opinion, taking a full 10 levels of Duelist (for the additional +1d6 Precise Strike) is a really good idea if you are only going to use a single dagger.

If HiPS isn't an issue:
Fighter 4 / Rogue 16 / Duelist 10 [This will give both a +2 damage for WSpec and +2d6 damage for Precise Strike] - Note: This is not for a sneak attack rogue.

[Togaru]

Hips isn't a problem. He can sneak to fight. Well it would be even better than hit and run tactics. It's nice idea. So he should start as fighter? I prefer him to be more finesse fighter this isn't a problem with such build?

[Arkalezth]

Yes, HiPS is a problem if your main damage source comes from sneak attacks. You need either HiPS or Feint. If you spend points into Hide/MS, then take HiPS.

And yes, 10 Duelist is ok, but you'll hardly notice another d6 damage. It helps against crit immunes before epic, but you won't reach 10 Duelist until, what, 18 or so, at the earliest?
Same for Weapon Specialization. HiPS is much, much, much better, no contest.

If this is for the OC, I'd forget about Fighter. Take 3 Ranger instead, chose Undead as your FE, and take Improved FE when you can.

[Togaru]

Well if you put it that way I think that Feint would be better. Now that you mention ranger... I think that it would suit him, but it's hard for me to imagine a ranger with single knife and not using bow or crossbow. Also if possible I would like him to be playable not only in OC. 

Modifié par Togaru, 14 avril 2011 - 11:40 .

[Arkalezth]

Well, I don't know the character, just throwing ideas. The problem is that high DEX characters may have problems before epic, and Ranger helps with that. But it's hard to make a decent character for the game, based on an anime I've never seen.

As for Feint vs HiPS, as I said, it depends on your playstyle. If you want to be a sneaker, definitely take HiPS. If not, Feint. Note that if you want Feint, you should have a very high Bluff skill, and take feats like Skill Focus (Bluff) and the like.

[Togaru]

I know it is hard to think of character you don't know. Well I suppose he uses sneak only to get to victim. He usualy fights with victims he's not backstabbing them or cutting their throats from shadows. Well... something like Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. The diference is he has some ropes (more like cables with that clip used to climbing on one side) and fights with a knife.
Well you don't have to watch it if you don't want to, but here's a link with one of his fights.If you don't like anime or japanese voice acting you can always turn volume off.

[Will Scarlet]

HiPS is only "much much better" if you want to play a sneak-stabber. In truth, the BEST character to play is one that you have the most fun with.
I, personally, prefer to play survivalist-type characters - they don't do the most damage, have the best AC, the highest caster level, etc., rather they're decent at several things.
My best advice is to find what you're going to have the most fun with and do that. If you want a sneak stabber, I'm sure Arkalezth can build you one. If you want a stand-up finessed warrior-type, we can do that too (but it really helps if you have the expansion for Swashbuckler for that one). I think the main problem is that we, as the community, are having a hard time understanding exactly what you want (or maybe it's just me?).

[Arkalezth]

Well, no HiPS and no Feint means no sneak attacks (not reliabily at least), that's all I'm saying. And 8d6 damage is "much much better" than 2 damage, yes. It's not personal preference, just mathematics. Fun or not, some things are clearly better in this game.

[Togaru]

Ok I get your points. Well to be honest last time that I played rogue/assassin it was quite annoying to run and hide all the time mostly to do oround 1 or 2 attacks. I think that the best thing for me is a character that can sneak and wait for opportunity to fight. With good AC (to get the feeling of dodging). Ranger would be great, but is he good with one weapon?I think that short sword or something else would be good too. I understand that it would be archery style Ranger. After reading your posts I think that it would be best, Rangers are one of few classes that don't bore me.

Ok, I think I'll make ranger mixed with assassin. Arkalezth, Will Scarlet thank you for your help, your advices really helped me.

Modifié par Togaru, 15 avril 2011 - 09:41 .

[Will Scarlet]

You actually get to choose your weapon style specialization for a ranger: either Archery or Dual-wield.

You get bonus feats at 2nd, 6th, 11th and 21st level ranger depending on which specialization you choose.

[Togaru]

Yes I know. Don't worry I was trying some home made builds in NWN and NWN2. I had a problem with adapting character to NWN standards. After all I decided to use build similar to Dark Stalker:
http://nwn.bioware.c...arkstalker.html
I'll modify it in some ways and it'll be good for me. Thanks for your help once more.

[Arkalezth]

Other than Duelist, there's no class with bonuses to one handed style without shield, so Ranger is as good or as bad as anything else. Well, heavy armor would be better at first, but you'd drop it eventually if you go for Duelist, and it's not the best armor for sneaking.