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[XX55XX]

Anders asked Barack Obama Hawke if he could kill Karl.

Hawke said no.

Anders did it anyways.

What's the point of giving the option to advise Anders if he doesn't follow through on the suggestion anyways?

Karl seemed like a cool dude, I mean, he didn't have to die...

Modifié par XX55XX, 13 avril 2011 - 08:39 .

[Pacifien]

To allow you to roleplay your Hawke's belief system without said belief system automatically influencing the beliefs of companions you've only just met. Or something like that.

[Cutlass Jack]

Pacifien wrote...

To allow you to roleplay your Hawke's belief system without said belief system automatically influencing the beliefs of companions you've only just met. Or something like that.

I'd have settled for being to influence him enough to stop him from killing seven years after we met...

[Pacifien]

Cutlass Jack wrote...
I'd have settled for being to influence him enough to stop him from killing seven years after we met...

GODDAMMIT, ANDERS!

*shakes fist*

[Torax]

To a point I'm okay with a game not having a ton of "Sugar Happy Fun Time Decisions". There were too many of these in Origins. The happy answer that makes everything great. While maybe just giving you one solution that was like picking between grays. Anders is what he is when he sees you. I basically point out how the tranquil seem fine but Anders disagrees and does what he wants. I think of it as I spoke my mind and he didn't listen. There are other things I'd rather have changed later in the game but it just took time to accept that I can't.

[Beerfish]

I wonder who cleans up all the blood and guts for all of these in doors battles we have. Gamlen should have bought stock in rugs and carpets rather than Qunari cheese.

[Alamar2078]

I will side with the writer too ... Hawke isn't like Shepard who can talk anyone into pretty much anything. While I love ME2 I certainly don't mind getting that does of "realism" if you'd call it that from DA2.

[Mr.House]

Karl wanted to die instead of living as a tranquil, something that has no emotions or dreams. I rather die my self if that happen. I like that Hawke can't force anyone to do stuff ala Shepard.

[Asdara]

I'm curious why we even have to talk Anders out of it - there's three of us and one of him and we all just took out some Templars (which kinda happened without a chance to say "Hey, I am not with him, we JUST met!") If I want him not to kill Karl shouldn't I be able to just swat him away? I don't need the "we just met now I mind control you" option, but some intervention could have happened that put Anders on an automatic rivalry track maybe, but still resulted in Karl being alive at the day's end.

[XX55XX]

Whoops, just fixed a typo - meant "Karl." Sorry for the confusion.

[Mr.House]

You rather let a man who does want to die to suffer? That's so mean!

[XX55XX]

Mr.House wrote...

You rather let a man who does want to die to suffer? That's so mean!

I don't believe in murder. Karl should have pulled out a knife and stabbed himself while he had the chance.

[Alamar2078]

Having more than one way to solve a quest [talk only, fight only, etc.] is a good thing. It would be nice to have options to do other things but I'm OK with this particular compromise simply because you can't do everything. Heck I'd have loved to have been able to do some investingating in certain areas but the game wasn't designed to allow that level of freedom. To make a perfect game [with a lot of freedom] would take virtually forever so I can forgive certain compromises.

In this particular instance I don't know of any Hawke that I would RP that would actually make the choice of leaving Karl alive ... esp. after he was made tranquil against his will and asked for death.

[Alamar2078]

XX55XX wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

You rather let a man who does want to die to suffer? That's so mean!

I don't believe in murder. Karl should have pulled out a knife and stabbed himself while he had the chance.

I can see that POV and respect it.

[LobselVith8]

Mr.House wrote...

Karl wanted to die instead of living as a tranquil, something that has no emotions or dreams. I rather die my self if that happen. I like that Hawke can't force anyone to do stuff ala Shepard.

I agree completely. A life where a person is stripped of their humanity isn't much of a life at all.

[stobie]

What I like better about DA2, over Origins, is that your companions so clearly have minds & intentions of their own, which you can only influence a little - or with a *lot* of work.

[Beerfish]

Too bad Anders didn't feel the same way as Karl, would have saved us all a lot of trouble in the end.

[Ryzaki]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Karl wanted to die instead of living as a tranquil, something that has no emotions or dreams. I rather die my self if that happen. I like that Hawke can't force anyone to do stuff ala Shepard.

I agree completely. A life where a person is stripped of their humanity isn't much of a life at all.

Being made tranquil isn't being stripped of their humanity as Owain and the tranquil in Ostagar would tell you. 

Now being forced? Yes it's terrible.

[The Angry One]

Karl was speaking in a fit of emotion, and while it must be distressing I doubt tranquil Karl felt the same.
Forcing tranquility is obviously a crime, but he was still a person who could have led a relatively prosperous life as Owain does. So yes I'd like to club Anders in the back of his stupid head and stop him.. then again I could say that for a lot of events involving Anders.

[XX55XX]

Well, wasn't Karl Anders' lover to begin with? Perhaps the tranquil Karl realized how meaningless and dangerous his relationship with Anders really was - having to hide from the Templars all the time, etc.

[Rifneno]

XX55XX wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

You rather let a man who does want to die to suffer? That's so mean!

I don't believe in murder. Karl should have pulled out a knife and stabbed himself while he had the chance.

That's more assisted suicide than murder, isn't it?

[The Angry One]

The question is, did tranquil Karl want to die?
If he didn't, then it is in fact murder.

[Dante Angelo]

I wish I could've kiled Karl myself mainly because he bothered me

[Asdara]

Getting into a murky area there, but the argument could be made that Karl wasn't thinking clearly in his first "reunited with himself" moment. leaving us with a "he might have wanted to die" situation rather than a concrete sureness in his wish for death. Then again, so he wants to die? There are plenty of ways to get dead in Thedas, does it have to be us and the murder knife every time?